Even caught R2-KT this time. Yay!

Where was she?

I will say, the more I see the Han/Kylo Ren scene, the more it gets to me.

Even caught R2-KT this time. Yay!

Where was she?

Other really big thing I caught was one of the Resistance pilots names. 'Snap' is the heavy set bearded guy apparently, probably a call sign. In the briefing before the Battle of Starkiller Base, Poe refers to the recon report as Snap's and then hands the briefing over to him. He also shows up standing behind a major character in an earlier scene but doesn't seem all that important unless you've already seen the whole thing with him featured in the pursuing battle. Looking forward to the first T-70 expanded content with Poe's paint scheme and hopefully "Snap" Pilot card!

Or, Greg Grunberg.

Or, Greg Grunberg.

Well, his appearance is just distracting to me. Just because he always seems to find a spot in JJ's movies. Though it was doubly distracting when he was next to Carrie's daughter in a shot.

Top contenders: No explanation of what the FO is, what the Republic is, what happened after Endor. Why is R2 shut down, and why does he magically wake up for no reason? Why is there a cantina with absolutely no infrastructure anywhere near it for ships/trade/cargo/anything? Why, after the defeat of two consecutively larger Death Stars, does the Empire think building a third one is a bright idea? How do they know where the Rebel base is? Where are all the goddamn capital ships? The entire navy of the Republic is conspicuous by its absence. Why does no-one notice the death-star-ification of a habitable planet? That eats the SUN??? Why has Gollum taken over the Empire?

FO, Republic and Endor are explained in other material, apparently, I haven't read any of it either *shrug*.

R2 really missed Luke and was sad, maybe?

Story is that the first time BB-8 says hi to R2 he starts his wake up process and just happens to complete the process at the end and yeah, not explained in the movie.

Because the cantina is just that awesome and people go out of their way to be there

Because the Death Stars clearly weren't big enough, make your super world destroying death weapon REALLY big and then surely something as small as a fighter won't be able to blow it up, right?

The First Order traced Snaps recon flight back to the Resistance base (that one was actually explained in the movie).

The First Order spent all their money on Star Killer base, couldn't afford any more capital ships, in fact they were using their Star Destroyers and Darth Vader memorabilia as collateral.

The Rebel Fleet was involved in the clean up after the Super Death Beam Cannon was fired? They got blown up as well? Were parked on the wrong side of the Galaxy? Yeah I haven't got anything for this one.

Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.

They used parts from Galactus, it eats Suns to shoot and planets to fly to the next solar system to eat a sun to charge again. That or they built it in a binary star system and really hoped they'd only need two shots. Or there was enough sun to power two shots and the time between the shots was sufficient that the gravitational loss of the sun.. yeah okay, this one bugged me too.

Because Andy Serkis.

Yeah, there were bits that didn't bear up to close scrutiny, on the other hand I really had fun watching the movie.

It was obvious that Harrison Ford wanted out. To be honest I wasn't surprised when he died. I called it right when he told Leia goodbye.

Kylo Ren scares me.

He scares me. Not many people scare me outright, but he does. He's... Everything Anakin could have become, and yet... So much more powerful. A quiet, calculating, voice... Looks at people with the same, unwavering stare... The hair, even. He's everything Anakin was... But...

He's all the worst things about Anakin. Not in acting or something- no... He's the dark side of Anakin.

And he's frightening. Terrifying.

You Vader, Maul, were scary..?

Nobody's as terrifying as Kylo Ren.

Nobody.

Darth Jar jar, nah Darth Emo? neah Darth Whiner, Darth anger management issues, Darth I'm going to throw a fit and destroy control panels, Darth I'm not strong enough... okay enough

Clearly Kylo was the weakest character in the movie. It would have been better if he never took off his mask.

Well, his appearance is just distracting to me. Just because he always seems to find a spot in JJ's movies. Though it was doubly distracting when he was next to Carrie's daughter in a shot.

everything finds a spot. that's possibly the reason tfa had characters with a minute screen time, crumpy feeling and the plot fits into a couple hours.

and doesn't even have EPICNESS anywhere.

Are we really complaining that we don't get every bit of fluff explained right down to the last detail? In the first movie?

The Republic is fighting a proxy war using the Resistance, were you paying attention during the opening crawl? The full Republic is as involved as the US was in Afghanistan back when they had Bin Laden fight the Russians.

Oh look, we don't see a parking lot of space ships, it musn't be there, stupid movie.

Don't you people have imaginations left to fill in the blanks? Must you have everything laid out in front of you? Or were you just predetermined to not like this movie for whatever reason and are now bitterly grasping at sad little straws?

If a film has blanks all over it and requires more imagination than scenario writing than it's a sh*tty scriptwriting

We were hoping for a new story, with epic battles, good actorship, new plot twists.

and we got a crumped re-telling of Ep4-5. with little to none battles, lightsaber swordplay and one-and-a-half-good-actors.

2 hour long film grasping to contain 4 hour of expected material, requiring 2 hours of "IMAGINATION" and X-BOX-HUGE PLOT HOLES.

Shouting and hyperbole to disguise a total lack of argument. Language that is remarkably hollow, even for something as subjective as how much one likes a film.

It was to be expected, but that it would come this soon surprises me.

Why should they reference a reviled set of films?

Because they're not that reviled. I see a lot of internet hype and blogs and media pretending that there is some kind consensus among Star Wars fans. But there are quite a few who like the prequels, like me.

I'm tired of the constant claim that there is some kind of inclusive 'we' that believes the prequels are crap. 'We' do not think the prequels suck. Some do, some don't.

I actually met a guy the other day who said he preferred the prequels! I didn't know quite what to say.

I totally get what you are saying, there are more people that hate the prequels than like, but the people who hate them, believe that everybody hates them.

We think the majority of fans hate them we know there's always a few that like bad movies.

But if you look at film critics people paid to judge a movie, people who studied the art of film making overwhelmingly declaring them bad it's a pretty good indicator.

Mr plinkets reviews alone give you some indication of how many people agree with the sentiment.

Bad story filled with bad dialog, bad green screen effects and soulless lightsaber fights.

C'mon even the actors bash the movies they starred in.

Why should they reference a reviled set of films?

Because they're not that reviled. I see a lot of internet hype and blogs and media pretending that there is some kind consensus among Star Wars fans. But there are quite a few who like the prequels, like me.

I'm tired of the constant claim that there is some kind of inclusive 'we' that believes the prequels are crap. 'We' do not think the prequels suck. Some do, some don't.

I actually met a guy the other day who said he preferred the prequels! I didn't know quite what to say.

I totally get what you are saying, there are more people that hate the prequels than like, but the people who hate them, believe that everybody hates them.

It seems a lot of people are upset that anyone is voicing valid criticism.

Just because you criticize something, doesn't mean you don't like it.

Also, "Use your imagination" and "Reality doesn't apply" are not valid responses to a criticism that could easily have been resolved by the film itself in 10 seconds or less via exposition.

For example 30 seconds of dialogue at any point, or a somewhat better opening crawl would have cleared up the whole "What is the FO/Resistance/Republic?" question. Why does the FO still exist after 40 years, given that most people, given the choice, would rather live in a free Republic over a totalitarian regime who massacres whole towns whenever it wants? The EU gives at least a rational explanation of events i.e. the Emperors advisers manage to hold onto power for a while, but more and more systems bleed over to the Republic until eventually the last remnants of the Empire wind up as a moderate, peaceful society, where people trade democracy for efficiency, but at least it isn't busy wiping out its own citizens. I get that the EU is gone, but at least it made sense.

It takes 5 seconds to slot in "But that's impossible!" and "Not when you disable the safeties it isn't!" to resolve the Hyperspacing inside the ship/into atmosphere confusion, just as an example.

The lack of capital ships is (I imagine) a move away from the prequel style of having massive, confusing, eye-hurting space battles, but you could at least have had something approaching the Endor fleet engagement, or failing that, just half a dozen Star Destroyers facing off against a dozen Resistance frigates. Or SOMETHING. Even ANH had more capital ships than TFA.

I agree that Ren was great until he took his mask off. Then he was just another emo kid. If he'd had a buzz cut instead of that stupid floppy hair, he might have remained slightly intimidating, but then he's still got that huge nose.

It seems a lot of people are upset that anyone is voicing valid criticism.

For example...

I agree that Ren was great until he took his mask off. Then he was just another emo kid.

But then again, if sharp critique amounts to 'Kylo Ren has stupid floppy hair' then I expect TFA will prove to be generally well liked in the future. Which is good, I suppose.

It takes 5 seconds to slot in "But that's impossible!" and "Not when you disable the safeties it isn't!" to resolve the Hyperspacing inside the ship/into atmosphere confusion, just as an example.

The lack of capital ships is (I imagine) a move away from the prequel style of having massive, confusing, eye-hurting space battles, but you could at least have had something approaching the Endor fleet engagement, or failing that, just half a dozen Star Destroyers facing off against a dozen Resistance frigates. Or SOMETHING. Even ANH had more capital ships than TFA.

They did have Han explain that he could do the hyperspace thing, but without Star Trek fake science to clutter the dialogue.

The Japanese guy pausing the plot for 10 seconds to talk thermal oscillators felt slightly out of place already.

And there were at least a dozen Republic capital ships in TFA. Vaporized before I could count them all.

If a film has blanks all over it and requires more imagination than scenario writing than it's a sh*tty scriptwriting

We were hoping for a new story, with epic battles, good actorship, new plot twists.

and we got a crumped re-telling of Ep4-5. with little to none battles, lightsaber swordplay and one-and-a-half-good-actors.

2 hour long film grasping to contain 4 hour of expected material, requiring 2 hours of "IMAGINATION" and X-BOX-HUGE PLOT HOLES.

Or fans have an ocd complex about the minor details. Do you WANT the new trilogy to be have exposition like the PT?

Star wars hasn't been good for around 30 years. Then he-who-must-not-be-named drew a mustache on his Mona Lisa.

This is the same metaphor I use every time I think about what that Lucas did to the cantina scene between Han and Greedo. I was so happy when he sold the Star Wars franchise to Disney.

Well went to the premiere and i regret... i could have go on some normal projection in later date... the movie well... it sucks!!!

- Whole Starkiler thing is so stupid... well the Empire build 2 Death Stars... so let's build a Death Planet and blow away the Republic with it... WTF??? \

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Resistance Base:

- "Leia" Ummmm the FO has a Death Planet what should we do?

- some random resercher "If we blow the oscilator it should blow up"

- "Leia" but the planet is shielded??

- "Fin" no sweat i know how to disable the shield you see i was a janitor and they showed me how to do it and where the controls are since every janitor should know that... come on!!!!

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Kylo??? come on the guy look like a spoiled chiled with issues :/ the worst actor in the whole movie...

Congratulations on being the first person in this thread brave enough to say what many others are probably thinking. If people get upset when you point out that the prequels sucked, I can only imagine how they will flip out on someone who hates a Star Wars movie that is not a complete disaster.

(Just for the record, I do not think TFA sucks.)

I'm not seeing the emo Ren angle apart from from being a great joke

given the Knights of Ren --> knight templar allegory, the reverence for the supreme leader, the freaking darth vader shrine, the heavy use of mental force powers in the movie, the apparent inner turmoil when Han confronted him and the indoctrination of FO storm troopers

well, let's say brain washing should not be off the docket. This FO reeks of cultish creepiness

lovely Ties, though

Swear to god if I start seeing more people complain about it being too much like the OT I will become a much angrier, vitriolic individual.

You (royal you) complained about the PT being too unlike the OT for 15 years. Now, complaining the ST is too much like the OT?

Swear to god.

You're aware that there is more than one person on the Internet, right? Not every opinion you see was expressed by the same person.

I'm pretty sure hes convinced that there's only one person on Earth that hates the Prequels and Rebels, and its a cranky 40 year old neckbeard. Ep 7 was without a doubt a "retelling" of Ep4, but I was mostly fine with that. However, I'd have taken ANY plot hook over "Destroy the giant cannon. Again."

Oh I didn't ever say it was one person.

It's like talking to one person. Again. And again. And again. AND AGAIN.

It ends up blending when you hear a nigh hivemind recited phrase or thirty and the same complaints over and over again.

Then don't. You don't need to jump on a soapbox every time someone disagrees with your opinion. Rebels sucks. The Prequels suck. The Patriots cheat. Episode 7 was good, but not great. I can't believe its not butter.

Oh, oh, oh. I don't need to step on a soapbox, huh?

Okay, okay... Sure. sure why not? Why the hell not?

Then maybe prequel/rebels/notOTnotgoodenough haters, can get the hell off theirs? Because they need people to push back their engorged negativity about every **** thing.

We're not negative about everything. Just things that suck. Like the prequels.

When the know how to disable sheilds is lots of explosives. I'm not concerned with how they figures that out.

First, I really liked this film. It was immensely enjoyable to watch. I took my kids to see it (basically 7 and 11) and they really enjoyed it too. I basically grew up with Star Wars. Some of my earliest memories are of watching Star Wars and ESB on VHS and then seeing RotJ in the theater. There were plenty of imperfections with this film but I didn't go in looking for that. I went in hoping for a return to what made the original films great and in large part we got that. When I saw RotJ as a 7 year old or thereabouts I loved every second of it. As I grew up I realized how truly dreadful and painful certain elements of that film are to sit through. The slapstick crap with Blind Han accidentally knocking the greatest Bounty Hunter ever into the sarlacc is just abysmal. And then Ewoks happened. That film has some great redeeming qualities but it's a severely flawed film.

It sounds like you and I are on the same page regarding Return of the Jedi. Many people seem to love everything about the original trilogy, but I think ROTJ is where things started to go down hill in the Star Wars franchise. It was our first taste of what happens to a great movie franchise when you get rid of talented filmmakers who challenge your bad ideas and surround yourself with "yes" men. The prequels were the final result.

I think The Force Awakens, despite its flaws, was a big step in the right direction and I think it sets the stage for even better Star Wars films in the future.