People are so hyped they overlook stuff like that give it a while they'll rematch it on blue ray a few times and they'll noticed what we did, right now relief it wasn't another phantom menace supersedes any imperfections.

Well there is that.

That said, they'll release an extended version.

I have no idea if anyone has posted this complaint and I'm not going to scroll through 26 pages to find out so I'll whine about it now...

Why did they get rid of mass shadows? You can now travel in light speed right up to planets and the like.

Yes, this annoyed me too. As I said in my previous post, this was JJ playing with the 'conventions' of Star Wars, and it annoyed me no end.

This.

It's this kind of lack of attention to detail which made me feel like it was a re-boot of the universe/setting.

Unfortunately most people's reactions are "the film's great, who cares about details like that".

At first I too noticed this, then I remembered something, They were flying the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo was piloting. Remember this is the ship that did the Kessel Run in 14, no 12 parsecs. Parsecs are a measurement of distance right? Why was the falcon able to make the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs? It was because she was so fast she could get closer to mass shadows like black holes and whatnot. So really, its not an entire debauchery of established false realism. The only part that didn't make sense is when Han seemingly manually pulled out of hyperspace by pulling a lever at the right time. I can't believe he's that god like to get the timing down to what is possibly a trillionth of a second away from going KASPLAT! That crap needs to be autopilot. That to me is the big part where JJ F'd up the suspended disbelief.

I dunno'.

I did something pretty similar in Elite: Dangerous the other day.

People are so hyped they overlook stuff like that give it a while they'll rematch it on blue ray a few times and they'll noticed what we did, right now relief it wasn't another phantom menace supersedes any imperfections.

Well there is that.

That said, they'll release an extended version.

I have no idea if anyone has posted this complaint and I'm not going to scroll through 26 pages to find out so I'll whine about it now...

Why did they get rid of mass shadows? You can now travel in light speed right up to planets and the like.

Yes, this annoyed me too. As I said in my previous post, this was JJ playing with the 'conventions' of Star Wars, and it annoyed me no end.

This.

It's this kind of lack of attention to detail which made me feel like it was a re-boot of the universe/setting.

Unfortunately most people's reactions are "the film's great, who cares about details like that".

At first I too noticed this, then I remembered something, They were flying the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo was piloting. Remember this is the ship that did the Kessel Run in 14, no 12 parsecs. Parsecs are a measurement of distance right? Why was the falcon able to make the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs? It was because she was so fast she could get closer to mass shadows like black holes and whatnot. So really, its not an entire debauchery of established false realism. The only part that didn't make sense is when Han seemingly manually pulled out of hyperspace by pulling a lever at the right time. I can't believe he's that god like to get the timing down to what is possibly a trillionth of a second away from going KASPLAT! That crap needs to be autopilot. That to me is the big part where JJ F'd up the suspended disbelief.

I dunno'.

I did something pretty similar in Elite: Dangerous the other day.

I can't tell if you're joking or not because elite dangerous is hardly a representation of travelling in a galaxy to scale and at speed multiple times that of light. According to my math if the planet had an atmosphere of 20 km Han had a window of approximately 60 millionths of a second to get that right IF he was travelling at the speed of light, but hyperspace is much much faster than that. We're theoretically talking billionths or trillions of seconds of a window there for Han to pull that lever. Instead we get, "Oh should be about now!" That's the part that was beyond for me. I can reconcile the Falcon flying close but the lever bit I was like uh I know this is Star Wars but that was more than a little bit of an oversight for the sake of dramatic effect. In my mind I just forgive them for it and pretend it was programmed in the hyderdrive calculations.

I just wished that there were less quick cuts.

Also would have been cool if it was given that classic Star Wars look. I love the way the ships in the original trilogy look, how they gracefully slide around because of the blue screen they used.

People are so hyped they overlook stuff like that give it a while they'll rematch it on blue ray a few times and they'll noticed what we did, right now relief it wasn't another phantom menace supersedes any imperfections.

Well there is that.

That said, they'll release an extended version.

I have no idea if anyone has posted this complaint and I'm not going to scroll through 26 pages to find out so I'll whine about it now...

Why did they get rid of mass shadows? You can now travel in light speed right up to planets and the like.

Yes, this annoyed me too. As I said in my previous post, this was JJ playing with the 'conventions' of Star Wars, and it annoyed me no end.

This.

It's this kind of lack of attention to detail which made me feel like it was a re-boot of the universe/setting.

Unfortunately most people's reactions are "the film's great, who cares about details like that".

At first I too noticed this, then I remembered something, They were flying the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo was piloting. Remember this is the ship that did the Kessel Run in 14, no 12 parsecs. Parsecs are a measurement of distance right? Why was the falcon able to make the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs? It was because she was so fast she could get closer to mass shadows like black holes and whatnot. So really, its not an entire debauchery of established false realism. The only part that didn't make sense is when Han seemingly manually pulled out of hyperspace by pulling a lever at the right time. I can't believe he's that god like to get the timing down to what is possibly a trillionth of a second away from going KASPLAT! That crap needs to be autopilot. That to me is the big part where JJ F'd up the suspended disbelief.

I dunno'.

I did something pretty similar in Elite: Dangerous the other day.

I can't tell if you're joking or not because elite dangerous is hardly a representation of travelling in a galaxy to scale and at speed multiple times that of light. According to my math if the planet had an atmosphere of 20 km Han had a window of approximately 60 millionths of a second to get that right IF he was travelling at the speed of light, but hyperspace is much much faster than that. We're theoretically talking billionths or trillions of seconds of a window there for Han to pull that lever. Instead we get, "Oh should be about now!" That's the part that was beyond for me. I can reconcile the Falcon flying close but the lever bit I was like uh I know this is Star Wars but that was more than a little bit of an oversight for the sake of dramatic effect. In my mind I just forgive them for it and pretend it was programmed in the hyderdrive calculations.

Yeah he does that like the enterprise going across hundreds of light years in five minutes, turbo lifts that instantly travel the length of the ship.

People are so hyped they overlook stuff like that give it a while they'll rematch it on blue ray a few times and they'll noticed what we did, right now relief it wasn't another phantom menace supersedes any imperfections.

Well there is that.

That said, they'll release an extended version.

I have no idea if anyone has posted this complaint and I'm not going to scroll through 26 pages to find out so I'll whine about it now...

Why did they get rid of mass shadows? You can now travel in light speed right up to planets and the like.

Yes, this annoyed me too. As I said in my previous post, this was JJ playing with the 'conventions' of Star Wars, and it annoyed me no end.

This.

It's this kind of lack of attention to detail which made me feel like it was a re-boot of the universe/setting.

Unfortunately most people's reactions are "the film's great, who cares about details like that".

At first I too noticed this, then I remembered something, They were flying the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo was piloting. Remember this is the ship that did the Kessel Run in 14, no 12 parsecs. Parsecs are a measurement of distance right? Why was the falcon able to make the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs? It was because she was so fast she could get closer to mass shadows like black holes and whatnot. So really, its not an entire debauchery of established false realism. The only part that didn't make sense is when Han seemingly manually pulled out of hyperspace by pulling a lever at the right time. I can't believe he's that god like to get the timing down to what is possibly a trillionth of a second away from going KASPLAT! That crap needs to be autopilot. That to me is the big part where JJ F'd up the suspended disbelief.

I dunno'.

I did something pretty similar in Elite: Dangerous the other day.

I can't tell if you're joking or not because elite dangerous is hardly a representation of travelling in a galaxy to scale and at speed multiple times that of light. According to my math if the planet had an atmosphere of 20 km Han had a window of approximately 60 millionths of a second to get that right IF he was travelling at the speed of light, but hyperspace is much much faster than that. We're theoretically talking billionths or trillions of seconds of a window there for Han to pull that lever. Instead we get, "Oh should be about now!" That's the part that was beyond for me. I can reconcile the Falcon flying close but the lever bit I was like uh I know this is Star Wars but that was more than a little bit of an oversight for the sake of dramatic effect. In my mind I just forgive them for it and pretend it was programmed in the hyderdrive calculations.

On one hand I was being somewhat sarcastic and saying I was a clumsy pilot in the new expansion.

On the other hand, you're aware Elite: Dangerous is a 1:1 scale Milky Way, right? Right? You are aware of this..?

So it's a solid representation of that.

Like are you aware I've traveled at like, 400c? Seriously go play Elite.

Look, Star Wars doesn't have all the readouts and panels that a ship would actually need. If you've ever actually paid any attention to the cockpits in Star Wars, they're basically just shapes and lights without ANY sorts of labels or ANYTHING useful to display other than abstractions.

So if you can suspend your disbelief for that?

Surely, you can figure that there's some sort of gadget that indicates "This is probably a solid estimate of where you'll be in X within Y time so do Z".

Because if you can't abstract that but you can accept everything else then I'm not entirely sure what to tell you.

Yeah he does that like the enterprise going across hundreds of light years in five minutes, turbo lifts that instantly travel the length of the ship.

(No, machine I meant to quote Hobojebus.)

Sure that's scientifically wrong but uh, you don't like sitting at a theater for... What, thirty minutes on one scene.

Right?

I loved this movie. I really didn't think I would. I thought the plot being a rehash of A New Hope would kill it for me but the new characters were so good. Everything that should have been fun was fun and everything that was emotional was emotional. I thought Kylo Ren was going to be like that abortion Darth Maul and be nothing but a **** with a fancy lightsaber but he has all the mystery and tragedy of Darth Vader before the prequels took it away.

Star Wars was a fun adventure with some great characters and a simple story. This movie does all that sooo well....which is why the Starkiller base was such an irritating addition. It wasn't set up well and rerailed the middle of the film. However I thought they were going to subvert the trope and have it not get destroyed at the end which would have been great. But they did. It's annoying because the time spent on it could have been given to setting up Rey using jedi mind tricks or something. It would have probably been a perfect movie otherwise.

Thankfully the focus of the finale was on a fitting close to a great character and a fantastic, emotionally involving, lightsaber battle. This is why they get away with making another Deathstar. If the focus of the movie was on simply blowing up the Maguffin then the film would have been a poor remake/ reboot but they kept the X-wing battle in the background; focusing instead on our new main characters.

Also it was miles better than the awful prequels which were awful and caused most people my age to grow up thinking rubbish like 'balancing the force' and convoluted political twists were a part of Star Wars. Real Star Wars is back!

I liked it. Need to see it again. And again.

I feel like Snoke is pulling a 'great and powerful Oz', and will end up the size of Yoda.

I'm about 1/3rd through the Bacta War and the Resistance feels a lot like Rogue squadron having left the Republic to fight a foe the politicians can't touch. Torching half a dozen unnamed worlds in the Whatever System probably motivates the Republic to stand up and support the effort overtly going forward.

I got a brief Start Trek vibe from the guy talking oscillator jargon. Made me smile.

Keeping the destruction of the super weapon quick keeps it from being a 3rd movie centered around those weapons. But the larger threat gave a catalyst to show the good characters are in it for the big picture, staying at the base after saving Rey to assist the fighters and the whole mission. I liked it more than i expected to. And a more complicated threat would have hurt character development as exposition would have been needed for it too/instead.

The fighter battles were fun but too short.

Mara Jade probably didn't tell Luke he had a daughter. Ditched her on Jakku to keep her safe.

C-3P0 has a personality! Put him, BB-8, R2-D2, and Chopper in some droid tales and I'd watch now, previously I wanted him out of that picture.

Why wasn't Finn in a bacta tank!?

Rey was holding the saber backwards if she was trying to hand it to Luke.

I did think Darth Vader looked a bit worse for wear but then Carrie Fisher turned up.

I guess they didn't call the new Death Star, a death Star, because Harrison Ford was self-conscious about being a deaf Star.

I can't think of a third joke to go here so I'll just do what George Lucas did. Wow Carrie Fisher looked old.....

On one hand I was being somewhat sarcastic and saying I was a clumsy pilot in the new expansion.

On the other hand, you're aware Elite: Dangerous is a 1:1 scale Milky Way, right? Right? You are aware of this..?

So it's a solid representation of that.

Like are you aware I've traveled at like, 400c? Seriously go play Elite.

Actually I was not aware of that. In my ignorance I assumed since we can't possibly design a program that has digitally scaled and mapped out the entirety of the milky way with it's billions of stars. So I checked it out, Elite is only scaled a small portion of the galaxy but that portion does appear to be true to scale as we know it so I guess you're partially right. Still doesn't change the fact that even if there were some kind of indicating gadget, by the time you saw it, processed it and told your hand to move the controls it would conceivably be too late. Unless of course the indicator was programmed to show indication in advance of your neurological and physical reaction times provided you were watching the indicator focused like a hawk. However, Han was mid conversation explaining that they need to drop out of hyperspace between the planetary shield and the surface of the planet when he all of a sudden went, "Which should be about now!" then proceeded to manually disengage the hyperdrive. That, I find to be unbelievable by a far far stretch. A window of time which has got to be millionths of a second at the most. You'd have god-like reflexes or the most extraordinary luck if you can pull that off purposefully.

I mean try to get you're stop watch timer to stop accurately to the millionth or even a thousandth of a second.

Snoke. Surpreme Leader Snoke.

I mean... really?

Yeah, because Sheev is so much cooler...

I think he'll straight up BE a Yoda.

Anyone else find the fact that Finn's a lying, cowardly POS awesome? He picks up a lightsabre and then promptly gets the crap kicked out of him by another trooper. The trailers made him out to be much more of a hero than he really is; he's more of a New Hope Han Solo analogue without the skillset to back it up, and it's great!

The whole defection thing seems random and forced, but it definitely leaves his character room to grow.

On one hand I was being somewhat sarcastic and saying I was a clumsy pilot in the new expansion.

On the other hand, you're aware Elite: Dangerous is a 1:1 scale Milky Way, right? Right? You are aware of this..?

So it's a solid representation of that.

Like are you aware I've traveled at like, 400c? Seriously go play Elite.

Actually I was not aware of that. In my ignorance I assumed since we can't possibly design a program that has digitally scaled and mapped out the entirety of the milky way with it's billions of stars. So I checked it out, Elite is only scaled a small portion of the galaxy but that portion does appear to be true to scale as we know it so I guess you're partially right. Still doesn't change the fact that even if there were some kind of indicating gadget, by the time you saw it, processed it and told your hand to move the controls it would conceivably be too late. Unless of course the indicator was programmed to show indication in advance of your neurological and physical reaction times provided you were watching the indicator focused like a hawk. However, Han was mid conversation explaining that they need to drop out of hyperspace between the planetary shield and the surface of the planet when he all of a sudden went, "Which should be about now!" then proceeded to manually disengage the hyperdrive. That, I find to be unbelievable by a far far stretch. A window of time which has got to be millionths of a second at the most. You'd have god-like reflexes or the most extraordinary luck if you can pull that off purposefully.

I mean try to get you're stop watch timer to stop accurately to the millionth or even a thousandth of a second.

Yep. Procedural Generation is an incredible thing, isn't it?

If Han's computer can figure out how to complete a route in 12 parsecs (and the film gives us the impression that 14 would have been impressive), then I'm sure it's sophisticated enough to pull that off.

As for Elite: Dangerous, you really can travel to every star. Now I'm not saying every single world is going to be accurate, since oh... I don't know, all but about twelve planets and their moons are made up. But seriously, you can go extremely far. What thrills me is that the lore of it takes place entirely in this tiny little sphere of human influence... Barely registering on the Milky Way itself.

Fascinating stuff.

BUT.

You've got to hand wave these sort of things. It's Star Wars. It hasn't ever really run by the same rules we're familiar with- not using the different physics argument, that one is handicapped beyond belief to even use...

But, it's a story about space magic and space wizards.

In the end...

Han was mid conversation explaining that they need to drop out of hyperspace between the planetary shield and the surface of the planet when he all of a sudden went, "Which should be about now!" then proceeded to manually disengage the hyperdrive.

Maybe that's what he was doing. It's not like those levers are labeled. Maybe he was dropping the ship out of hyperspace. Maybe he had forgotten to override the hyperdrive safety mechanism that would drop him out much sooner than the projected coordinates due to the gravity well. I actually like to think he was engaging the regular engines. Maybe he turned on the coffee maker.

Now I'm not saying the writers/director didn't mean for him to be doing it manually. I'm just saying that there's a way to view it so that he's not effectively using the Force and hoping he doesn't hiccup.

Regardless, I think a lot of people overlook the fact that Han Solo should, in many ways, be regarded as a hyperspace route coordinates calculating God.

And not just that but there are 3 droid brains spliced into the main computer, including one astromech.

If the shields extended far enough beyond the planet there would've been time enough for a light to go ping.

Snoke. Surpreme Leader Snoke.

I mean... really?

Yeah, because Sheev is so much cooler...

I feel like Snoke is pulling a 'great and powerful Oz', and will end up the size of Yoda.

I think he'll straight up BE a Yoda.

a) well, he goes with "the emperor" or "emperor palpatine", whilst surpreme leader snorkels wants to be adressed that way...

b) that yoda made me think:

does everybody realise that probably somewhere THERE IS a whole planet full of these tiny yoda-creatures?!

what a horrible thought to have, if let loose to the galaxy they are. doomed we are, doomed say I!

see.. the correct use of grammar and syntax is a point where I say he's probably no yoda-ball..

-still, a frightening thought with all those yodas out there, ruining the spoken word everywhere.

If there really is a planet of yodas, we need to starkiller-base that s**t.

I love this film. For me, the strongest points were the acting, the pacing, the storyline of Han/Leia/Kylo Ren, Finn's role, the humour...

If there is something I did not like it would be the visual quality of the film. Maybe this is where Lucas is missed the most. Somehow, this film had fewer images that will really stick with me. Some or most settings could have been more impressive. The aliens and creatures in the background were placed just a little less effective compared to the other episodes. Many shots' editing failed to give a clear impression of exactly what was happening. Lucas was absolute world class in these areas, I couldn't help but notice that I've been spoiled in that regard.

I'm not bothered by the degree in which this film quotes ANH. It is important to remember that to a large degree, other Star Wars films are a collage of older movies, so Star Wars quoting itself is only natural given the series' influence. Who is going to notice a Kurosawa reference? This way, we can all see the layers that are built in the story.

There were a lot of small details - in terms of acting, dialogue, characters, story, anything - in the film that made a big impression on me. There was just so much to see, even if not all of it was filmed as well as Lucas would probably have done. Some complained about Kylo Ren's angry outburst; I thought this was perfect for a a character that has succumbed to the dark side. He is both recognizably Star Wars and yet very new. What I found unlikely was that characters who never had any training with lightsabers could almost beat him. He was wounded, I guess, but it did diminish the aura of danger around him.

The film moves at a very rapid pace. You don't have to be bored for a single second. This does mean that the story is told very quickly. As a result of that, I think watching it again will be fun; I expect to see new things with repeated viewings.

If there really is a planet of yodas, we need to starkiller-base that s**t.

There is at least one other of his species, in the Phantom Menace Yaddle sits on the council.

Which I never noticed until I just read up on the Yoda's Species article on Wookieepedia.

Have I mentioned how dumb it is that Yoda's race doesn't have a name yet because Lucas wants it to be secret?

Oh a little mystery, there's nothing wrong with that is there?

Have I mentioned how dumb it is that Yoda's race doesn't have a name yet because Lucas wants it to be secret?

Kermitarian?

Muppetonian? or just plain Muppet.

Anyone else find the fact that Finn's a lying, cowardly POS awesome? He picks up a lightsabre and then promptly gets the crap kicked out of him by another trooper. The trailers made him out to be much more of a hero than he really is; he's more of a New Hope Han Solo analogue without the skillset to back it up, and it's great!

The whole defection thing seems random and forced, but it definitely leaves his character room to grow.

Finn is just Han solo 2.0 ex imperial scoundrel that turns it around through the power of boners.

I really didn't like him for most of the movie but warmed to him in act three.

Problem is the new guys are all just clones of the originals, hopefully the next director will be someone with talent that can develop them into their own characters.

now that Elite was mentioned. I want Elite in Star Wars universe. Seriously, why it wasn't created? Do the developers hate money or something?

After another look, I still think Maz is a Yoda-species... Just with her ears tucked in

Also, was Han ever said to be an imperial pilot in the OT? I thought his background was all EU.