Okay, that example was probably too much. What about Obsidian swarm vs TLT Y-wings? I don't see anything that lopsided against Defenders, but time will tell.

I stand corrected. I guess that initial range 3 shot against 2-AGI y-wings is probably a bad turn for the swarm.

I still haven't gotten a full breakdown from Dallas on why he lost that game. I know it went to time and he lost 87-75. One Obsidian left vs one Y-wing left.

That's rough. Obsidian probably wins that eventually assuming it was near the Y-wing when time was called. If you just follow the Y, Barrel Roll gets you in the blind spot most of the time.

Dallas seemed to think that he had lost the match anyway, so I don't think so. Remember the Y-wing can still K-turn...

It's hard to remember, too, that the YWing almost always gets a shot unless you can get the right angle and the right spot on the map to follow it a couple of turns, which is much easier in theory since it doesn't have to go a specific direction. I ran a Black Crack Shot squadron up through world's and that helped the R3 initial engagement against TLTs but I could still find myself at bad angles. I did well against them but it was by no means a clear win.