I just came back from watching it a Second time. I actually liked it more on the second viewing. I picked up some dialogue i missed and interactions the first time.

It got me thinking of some theories, to explain some of the things that stick out to me.

With Rey using her powers so Quickly, In her journey she comes in contact with more and more things that may hold significance in the force, The Droid, the Falcon, Han/Chewie, the Lightsaber. This could have amplified her powers, or made he more in tune with them. or alternatively, look was guiding her, and he will tell her that in episode 8.

Im still not big on the whole Death Star 3.0, so i think it should have been from the get go a rescue mission to a base carved into a planet, not a super weapon. Finn should convince Poe that he needs to save Rey (someone he has never met) 'you owe me one' type dialogue. or alternatively, they just cripple the super weapon, not destroy it. making it a villian for further movies.

As for Rey Besting Kylo Ren, I thought about this, I was thinking, that Kylo Ren killing Han was suppose to set him free and give him full control of the darkside by cutting (literally) his emotional ties. but what if it didn't make him more powerful, what if it damaged and hindered him, after all he killed his father. and that made him sloppy and confused in the final battle.

I was also thinking now that Rey beat Kylo, he might not be a threat to her in future. But im hoping luke says something in their training together in episode 8. like.....

Luke: when you face Ben Solo again.

Rey: I beat him.

Luke: you beat him with anger and fear, what if i told you you can beat him with the force and without ever igniting your saber.

Rey: (open mouth face.) WHAAA.

Or they will both have an episode 8 Training montage with snoke, Kylo Ren and Luke and rey.

Just saw it, and my mind did an Alderaan.

And if Rey isn't a Skywalker, I'm a Chinese astronaut.

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

What's so hard to understand about taste being subjective?

how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Give it time. When the prequel movies came out most people were like 'they weren't THAT bad!'.

Then they had time to rewatch/analyze them at their leisure and take off the rose tinted glasses

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Give it time. When the prequel movies came out most people were like 'they weren't THAT bad!'.

Then they had time to rewatch/analyze them at their leisure and take off the rose tinted glasses

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Give it time. When the prequel movies came out most people were like 'they weren't THAT bad!'.

Then they had time to rewatch/analyze them at their leisure and take off the rose tinted glasses

And then there's the never ending prequel-hate. The prequels told a good story, and the acting was no worse then what everyone is praising in this movie. The whole appeal of Star Wars, I thought, was the immense scale of the Galaxy. In this, there was no scale, there was no direction, it was just purely black-and-white good vs bad with no sense of meaning to the conflict. We don't even know how big the Republic is. We have no clue how Snoke is evil. We have no insight into Ren's motivation. They UNDID everything that was accomplished in ROTJ so they could retell the same story. It didn't progress the larger story AT ALL! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

I think you need to rewatch the prequels.

Sorry. That was mean of me to say.

Though I will agree that Episode 7 did take a big dump on the ending of RotJ... and while they could've done it better, there really was no choice. RotJ pretty much implies that the bad guys are dead and everyone (alive) lived happily ever after. To most people, that is what happened. Even though the EU tells us that is not the case only the 'hardcore' fans would know, consider how many people actually read the EU compared to the number of people that see the Star Wars movies. To most people Star Wars is just a movie series. You can't expect these multi-quadrillion dollar movies to try and pamper to the minority (the EU readers) they need to make these (especially a whole new Episode) cater to the 'casuals'.

This is why I am looking forward more to Rogue One than I was Episode 7 (and now Episode 8).

I was deflated as soon as Starkiller base was presented as Death star 3.0.

Way too much reliance on older films (cantina scene, trench run scene, porkins character, plans in the droid, emperor 2.0…)

That being said, the movie had great energy and some noteworthy goosebumps scenes. Rey’s vision and Rey force grabbing the lightsaber were particular standouts.

Here’s hoping the next movies go in new directions, because right now it feels very predictable.

It was very much the appearance of the "superweapon of the week" that took me from thinking "This is a good fund romp that might turn out to be awesome" to "Well, ok, it is fun, and it feels Star Warsy, but JJ has JJ'ed it up again." The stuff I liked the best was what developed the world, the setting, like the plot with Han and Leia's son (even if the character was... totally lacking in threat once he removed his mask), what was happening with the search for Luke (which should have been the focus of the film, rather than Death Star 3), etc.

Problems:

1.) I felt the acting in this movie, and the cinematography for that fact, was on par with a budget Sci- Fy TV show rather than a FILM. I can't really put my finger on it, and it might have to do more with helicopter shots and handicam nonsense, but Lucas's Star Wars films felt more 'professional' in framing and drawing focus IMO. The dialogue (which people always criticized Lucas for) was terrible and too 'modernized' for my taste, especially Finn's. Vulgarity (light, but unnecessary) doesn't belong in Star Wars, and Poe was such an unconvincing putz.

2.) You build a superweapon into a planet... said superweapon uses suns as ammo... how many suns does a planet have, i.e. how many shots can you possibly fire? Brilliant tactic!

3.) Kylo Ren is looking for Luke Skywalker. He knows that the Resistance has a map leading to Luke. His father works for the Resistance. His father asks him to come home with him. Does he a.) kill his badass father so that we all know how badass he is, or b.) fake returning to the light side to win his father's confidence, allowing him to join the Resistance and have access to the location of Luke Skywalker who he wants to find?

4.) What is the ruling government? They mention a republic, a resistance, and then the New Order. How do these groups interact and play into the Galaxy at large?

5.) So it appears that Rae was a padawan/youngling that survived Kylo Ren's destruction of Luke's (apparently pitiful) new Jedi Order, so I can accept that she may have some minimal, repressed force abilities/learning that she may remember. But she is instantly able to do mind tricks and overpower Kylo Ren's forcepull of a lightsaber? They completely failed to make Kylo Ren a frightening, powerful, intimidating, sympathetic, or complex villain. He was worthless. And somehow Finn can handle a lightsaber decently just by touching it. And somehow lightsabers to the back can knock you out, but lightsabers to the face just stun you...

6.) The warranty on synthetic skin for hand prosthetics appears to be less than 30 years.....

7.) Blaster bolts and lightsaber blades look different in a bad way. Crackling with energy and such... just not Star Wars.

8.) The first volley of shots from the Starkiller Base destroyed five planets... all in the same system as the Starkiller base and the resistance base? The spacial relationships just don't make much sense, especially since Han leaves the Resistance base in the Falcon through hyperspace to the Starkiller base which is apparently in the same system. Also, hyperspace is f-ed up now: you can engage lightspeed while in a ship's hanger and you can ignore planetary gravity wells in order to drop out of lightspeed in the atmosphere.

9.) R2 is in low power mode? Luke ran away to brood? Ridiculous. These two characters were defined by their persistence and heroism. People complained when Padme died of a broken heart after her husband betrayed her friends, brought down the government in which she served, killed children and tried to kill HER! But Luke frickin Skywalker abandons the entire future of the Jedi because one of his apprentices turns to the dark side? This ruins his character. This would not inspire despair, it would inspire CORRECTION of the problem.

10.) The map that BB-8 has is only a fragment, and the information on it doesn't match up to anything on the resistance's charts... yet it is perfectly shaped like a puzzle piece to fit into a huge HOLE in the Resistance's map once R2 wakes up. Too bad no one else thought to put those pieces together...

11.) Kylo Ren talks to Vader's helmet as if he has communed with Vader. "show me again" I think he says. Are they seriously implying that Vader's spirit has aided in Kylo's turn to the dark side... meaning he wasn't redeemed?

In short, I feel that this movie lacks the pacing, story-depth, character dimension, and SOUL of Star Wars.

While I disagree that it doesn't feel like Star Wars, JJ cannot do story, world and character building (though I thought Han was quite well handled). All he can do is come up with interesting ideas, glitzy action scenes and then fail to run anywhere interesting with them. He is purely concerned with what would be "cool" or spectacular, and fails to think about the implications of what he does. This is fine in a stand alone project, but in a franchise it is painful.

1) There was something that didn't feel right to me either, which I can't place a finger on. Some of the shots... I don't know, felt too clean, and so somehow felt like I was more watching a documentary of the filming of the film, rather than the film itself. However, I still felt there were a few shots that I really enjoyed.

2) Yeah... not sure what was happening there at all. Where did the power for the first shot come from if the sun was still around? Is it sucking up the power from other stars?

4) It seemed to be pretty clear that there was a Republic and an Empire/First Order which both controlled certain territory. However, they clearly were not in direct conflict, or were at some sort of stalemate, where the Resistance, who I guess operate within First order territory, are a separate group who are backed unofficially by the Republic. However I don't mind that this wasn't explored too deeply, as it didn't matter except as background... however, I don't like that JJ just blew it all up... and was the Republic really only 5 planets? How could it resist the First Order then?

8) JJ has a history of people being able to see interstellar distances with their bare eyes. The dialogue implied the weapon could fire interstellar distances, but a line suggested that the planets being blown up might have been in one system. However, it was not the same system as the base or the Death Planet, and as mentioned earlier, how is the Republic destroyed. Severely hurt by loosing their capital and their main fleet or something maybe, but destroyed? Again, see JJ's treatment of the VUlcans in Star Trek... apparently only 10s of thousands escaped, so there are only tens of thousands left... forgetting that they will have off-world colonies, so probably actually have millions left. Devastating to their culture, yes, but not threatening their extinction.

I'm interested in what is going on politically. Just how powerful is the First Order and the Republic?

Well, it doesn't matter, as JJ blew it all up, like he did Vulcan. I was interested as well, and while I wouldn't have minded it being an entirely background thing fleshing out the universe, there was no reason to just blow the thing up.

Please note, I still enjoyed the film, just I think JJ has messed it up again. Less irritating to me than what he did with Star Trek, as at least it felt like he respected the source material here, and there were various bits that were saving graces, but I am disappointed that he didn't prove to be able to do a real classic of a Star Wars film either.

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Give it time. When the prequel movies came out most people were like 'they weren't THAT bad!'.

Then they had time to rewatch/analyze them at their leisure and take off the rose tinted glasses

You do realize that you're basically making an argument for your opinion being the "correct one", and that you're simply waiting for the rest of mankind to catch up to your "enlightened state" don't you?

Did the film have errors. Of course. Every film has errors. Will everyone poo-poo this one like you. No. Not now, and not later.

I think it is high time that some people (and not even necessarily you) learned not to make this mistake:

It's time the human species accepted that taste is subjective. We still seem to struggle with that simple idea.

Perhaps I'm being harsh, but it's a pet-peeve of mine.

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Give it time. When the prequel movies came out most people were like 'they weren't THAT bad!'.

Then they had time to rewatch/analyze them at their leisure and take off the rose tinted glasses

You do realize that you're basically making an argument for your opinion being the "correct one", and that you're simply waiting for the rest of mankind to catch up to your "enlightened state" don't you?

Did the film have errors. Of course. Every film has errors. Will everyone poo-poo this one like you. No. Not now, and not later.

I think it is high time that some people (and not even necessarily you) learned not to make this mistake:

It's time the human species accepted that taste is subjective. We still seem to struggle with that simple idea.

Perhaps I'm being harsh, but it's a pet-peeve of mine.

You say I'm acting 'enlightened' just because I've seen the same thing happen 3 times already?

As for Rey Besting Kylo Ren, I thought about this, I was thinking, that Kylo Ren killing Han was suppose to set him free and give him full control of the darkside by cutting (literally) his emotional ties. but what if it didn't make him more powerful, what if it damaged and hindered him, after all he killed his father. and that made him sloppy and confused in the final battle.

Had nothing to do with any force gimmick and everything to do with the fact that Wren had been gut shot already once with the blaster they had spent the *entire movie ham-fistedly showing you how "uber powerful" is and he had been bleeding into the snow for 10+ minutes (compressed movie time, they covered a lot of distance from the maguffin).

By the time he fights Ray Charles he's already been fighting Finn McMissile for over five minutes. And, due to poor storytelling, I think Finny got in a lucky shot in there somewhere, meaning, were this a star wars movie with lightsabers in it, Little Wren should be dead.

I know a few things about both fighting and bleeding. The fact he was even standing, let alone fighting, was a miracle improbable.

You do realize that you're basically making an argument for your opinion being the "correct one", and that you're simply waiting for the rest of mankind to catch up to your "enlightened state" don't you?

Did the film have errors. Of course. Every film has errors. Will everyone poo-poo this one like you. No. Not now, and not later.

I think it is high time that some people (and not even necessarily you) learned not to make this mistake:

It's time the human species accepted that taste is subjective. We still seem to struggle with that simple idea.

Perhaps I'm being harsh, but it's a pet-peeve of mine.

There are two separate issues here... opinion and taste. If my opinion was that one football team was better than another, that may be more than just opinion. If said football team wins the game, then I am to some degree validated. If I said one movie was better than another, then ticket sales or critical acclaim would be a form of validation, which I would definitely be losing in this case. Those are both opinions, but the first is based on measurable performance while the second is based on... other people's opinions. So if we are solely talking about opinion, then yours doesn't trump mine or vice versa. The argument that I have seen everywhere is simply that this is a good movie because 'Mikey likes it,' or 'it made me feel like I did when I watched the original trilogy.' That's because it IS the original trilogy, redone and 'modernized.' If we are dealing with this movie in terms of taste, then I agree, like what you like.

But I think there are some aspects of storytelling, like other art, which do constitute talent, skill, or competence. I feel that this film lacked those, and however 'exciting' or 'fun' it was, it was simply a mash of individual traits of more successful stories. In short, it was pleasing to the eye but lacked it's own substance. I don't understand wine connoisseurs, but I can appreciate that there is a good wine and a bad wine. Either wine is fine if you are only looking to get drunk, but one has merits beyond the alcohol which a refined palate can appreciate. I apologize if that sounds haughty or demeaning, it is simply that no one has argued that this is an ORIGINAL story or stands on any merit except fun. I didn't appreciate much of the humor, but THAT is definitely a matter of taste. But many of the other shortcomings, which I had listed before, are simply poor execution and lack of effort. It appears clear that marketing was the main focus of the people behind this film.

As for Rey Besting Kylo Ren, I thought about this, I was thinking, that Kylo Ren killing Han was suppose to set him free and give him full control of the darkside by cutting (literally) his emotional ties. but what if it didn't make him more powerful, what if it damaged and hindered him, after all he killed his father. and that made him sloppy and confused in the final battle.

Had nothing to do with any force gimmick and everything to do with the fact that Wren had been gut shot already once with the blaster they had spent the *entire movie ham-fistedly showing you how "uber powerful" is and he had been bleeding into the snow for 10+ minutes (compressed movie time, they covered a lot of distance from the maguffin).

By the time he fights Ray Charles he's already been fighting Finn McMissile for over five minutes. And, due to poor storytelling, I think Finny got in a lucky shot in there somewhere, meaning, were this a star wars movie with lightsabers in it, Little Wren should be dead.

I know a few things about both fighting and bleeding. The fact he was even standing, let alone fighting, was a miracle improbable.

There a few things in that movie that if they bothered to explain a little better would make it much more enjoyable. In Ant-Man, the guys says "I have to shrink smaller than those molecules to..." and then he does it. And you know what? We enjoyed it better because of it.

Not saying that specific example applies, but SOMETHING to bring out the point about would have made the scene so much better.

I have it. I have the word that bothers me about this movie. CHEAP. I felt like the thrills were cheap. I felt like the cinematography was cut-rate. I felt like the characters were archetypes (especially Poe). I felt like the plot was just completely ripped off. I felt like the people who made this movie cut and pasted everything everyone ever liked about anything and cobbled it together with one sight-gag and bad joke after another, then slapped a Star Wars sticker on it. "How do we make this guy evil?" "Have him kill his father, whom everyone loves." ..... "How do we make this weapon powerful?" "Have it blow up MORE stuff than the Death Stars" It is all just cheap.

You do realize that you're basically making an argument for your opinion being the "correct one", and that you're simply waiting for the rest of mankind to catch up to your "enlightened state" don't you?

Did the film have errors. Of course. Every film has errors. Will everyone poo-poo this one like you. No. Not now, and not later.

I think it is high time that some people (and not even necessarily you) learned not to make this mistake:

It's time the human species accepted that taste is subjective. We still seem to struggle with that simple idea.

Perhaps I'm being harsh, but it's a pet-peeve of mine.

There are two separate issues here... opinion and taste. If my opinion was that one football team was better than another, that may be more than just opinion. If said football team wins the game, then I am to some degree validated. If I said one movie was better than another, then ticket sales or critical acclaim would be a form of validation, which I would definitely be losing in this case. Those are both opinions, but the first is based on measurable performance while the second is based on... other people's opinions. So if we are solely talking about opinion, then yours doesn't trump mine or vice versa. The argument that I have seen everywhere is simply that this is a good movie because 'Mikey likes it,' or 'it made me feel like I did when I watched the original trilogy.' That's because it IS the original trilogy, redone and 'modernized.' If we are dealing with this movie in terms of taste, then I agree, like what you like.

But I think there are some aspects of storytelling, like other art, which do constitute talent, skill, or competence. I feel that this film lacked those, and however 'exciting' or 'fun' it was, it was simply a mash of individual traits of more successful stories. In short, it was pleasing to the eye but lacked it's own substance. I don't understand wine connoisseurs, but I can appreciate that there is a good wine and a bad wine. Either wine is fine if you are only looking to get drunk, but one has merits beyond the alcohol which a refined palate can appreciate. I apologize if that sounds haughty or demeaning, it is simply that no one has argued that this is an ORIGINAL story or stands on any merit except fun. I didn't appreciate much of the humor, but THAT is definitely a matter of taste. But many of the other shortcomings, which I had listed before, are simply poor execution and lack of effort. It appears clear that marketing was the main focus of the people behind this film.

Opinion and taste are the same thing.

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Give it time. When the prequel movies came out most people were like 'they weren't THAT bad!'.

Then they had time to rewatch/analyze them at their leisure and take off the rose tinted glasses

You do realize that you're basically making an argument for your opinion being the "correct one", and that you're simply waiting for the rest of mankind to catch up to your "enlightened state" don't you?

Did the film have errors. Of course. Every film has errors. Will everyone poo-poo this one like you. No. Not now, and not later.

I think it is high time that some people (and not even necessarily you) learned not to make this mistake:

It's time the human species accepted that taste is subjective. We still seem to struggle with that simple idea.

Perhaps I'm being harsh, but it's a pet-peeve of mine.

You say I'm acting 'enlightened' just because I've seen the same thing happen 3 times already?

I say enlightened because you use the term "rose tinted glasses" to describe people who liked the film(s). To me that sounds a lot like you propping your opinion as more insightful and wise than the opinions of others and/or describing people who don't see it your way as naive.

On an entirely different note, at least Chewbacca can go home to his family now, instead of being dragged around the universe.

On an entirely different note, at least Chewbacca can go home to his family now, instead of being dragged around the universe.

Well, if this movie taught me anything, it is that "You can't go home again."

I have it. I have the word that bothers me about this movie. CHEAP. I felt like the thrills were cheap. I felt like the cinematography was cut-rate. I felt like the characters were archetypes (especially Poe). I felt like the plot was just completely ripped off. I felt like the people who made this movie cut and pasted everything everyone ever liked about anything and cobbled it together with one sight-gag and bad joke after another, then slapped a Star Wars sticker on it. "How do we make this guy evil?" "Have him kill his father, whom everyone loves." ..... "How do we make this weapon powerful?" "Have it blow up MORE stuff than the Death Stars" It is all just cheap.

Ya, it was dumb/cheap how the movie had jumpscares.

(The only reason Han died was because Harrison Ford doesn't want to do this anymore. Can't say I blame him.)

I have it. I have the word that bothers me about this movie. CHEAP. I felt like the thrills were cheap. I felt like the cinematography was cut-rate. I felt like the characters were archetypes (especially Poe). I felt like the plot was just completely ripped off. I felt like the people who made this movie cut and pasted everything everyone ever liked about anything and cobbled it together with one sight-gag and bad joke after another, then slapped a Star Wars sticker on it. "How do we make this guy evil?" "Have him kill his father, whom everyone loves." ..... "How do we make this weapon powerful?" "Have it blow up MORE stuff than the Death Stars" It is all just cheap.

Ya, it was dumb/cheap how the movie had jumpscares.

(The only reason Han died was because Harrison Ford doesn't want to do this anymore. Can't say I blame him.)

Its no wonder after how they treated him. Its Harrison Frickin Ford, a legend, and they have him running from stupid CG tentacle monsters like some kind of Japanese schoolgirl. It would be like having Clint Eastwood in a slap fight with a sock puppet. If I had a studio who wanted to treat me like some kind of Paulie Shore slapstick gag, I would check myself out too! The Han Solo in this movie was an incompetent fool, and a far cry from the self centered but *competent* Han Solo we know and love.

I have it. I have the word that bothers me about this movie. CHEAP. I felt like the thrills were cheap. I felt like the cinematography was cut-rate. I felt like the characters were archetypes (especially Poe). I felt like the plot was just completely ripped off. I felt like the people who made this movie cut and pasted everything everyone ever liked about anything and cobbled it together with one sight-gag and bad joke after another, then slapped a Star Wars sticker on it. "How do we make this guy evil?" "Have him kill his father, whom everyone loves." ..... "How do we make this weapon powerful?" "Have it blow up MORE stuff than the Death Stars" It is all just cheap.

Ya, it was dumb/cheap how the movie had jumpscares.

(The only reason Han died was because Harrison Ford doesn't want to do this anymore. Can't say I blame him.)

Its no wonder after how they treated him. Its Harrison Frickin Ford, a legend, and they have him running from stupid CG tentacle monsters like some kind of Japanese schoolgirl. It would be like having Clint Eastwood in a slap fight with a sock puppet. If I had a studio who wanted to treat me like some kind of Paulie Shore slapstick gag, I would check myself out too! The Han Solo in this movie was an incompetent fool, and a far cry from the self centered but *competent* Han Solo we know and love.

I thought Han felt like Han. He had his connections, he had some funny lines, and he had experience that the others lacked.

Though those tentacle monster things were pretty OP (how the hell did he catch them in the first place?) and felt that chase was ridiculous.

I think Harrison Ford just wants the retirement that he rightfully deserves.

Han did a no-look blast that was cool...

I literally did this. Loudly. While quoting Obi Wan's line about "Only Stormtroopers could be so accurate".

Did anyone else feel like cheering, as Imperial players, when the First Order storm troopers in the opening scene were actually accurate?

You do realize that you're basically making an argument for your opinion being the "correct one", and that you're simply waiting for the rest of mankind to catch up to your "enlightened state" don't you?

Did the film have errors. Of course. Every film has errors. Will everyone poo-poo this one like you. No. Not now, and not later.

I think it is high time that some people (and not even necessarily you) learned not to make this mistake:

It's time the human species accepted that taste is subjective. We still seem to struggle with that simple idea.

Perhaps I'm being harsh, but it's a pet-peeve of mine.

There are two separate issues here... opinion and taste. If my opinion was that one football team was better than another, that may be more than just opinion. If said football team wins the game, then I am to some degree validated. If I said one movie was better than another, then ticket sales or critical acclaim would be a form of validation, which I would definitely be losing in this case. Those are both opinions, but the first is based on measurable performance while the second is based on... other people's opinions. So if we are solely talking about opinion, then yours doesn't trump mine or vice versa. The argument that I have seen everywhere is simply that this is a good movie because 'Mikey likes it,' or 'it made me feel like I did when I watched the original trilogy.' That's because it IS the original trilogy, redone and 'modernized.' If we are dealing with this movie in terms of taste, then I agree, like what you like.

But I think there are some aspects of storytelling, like other art, which do constitute talent, skill, or competence. I feel that this film lacked those, and however 'exciting' or 'fun' it was, it was simply a mash of individual traits of more successful stories. In short, it was pleasing to the eye but lacked it's own substance. I don't understand wine connoisseurs, but I can appreciate that there is a good wine and a bad wine. Either wine is fine if you are only looking to get drunk, but one has merits beyond the alcohol which a refined palate can appreciate. I apologize if that sounds haughty or demeaning, it is simply that no one has argued that this is an ORIGINAL story or stands on any merit except fun. I didn't appreciate much of the humor, but THAT is definitely a matter of taste. But many of the other shortcomings, which I had listed before, are simply poor execution and lack of effort. It appears clear that marketing was the main focus of the people behind this film.

Opinion and taste are the same thing.

Really can't believe the positive reaction to this movie. I am flabbergasted. It astounds me how overly obvious fan service (like the holochess game being turned on just to show "hey, remember this thing") can be seen as entertaining, and how simply repeating the plot of the previous films amounts to nostalgia. I think I'm more disappointed in Star Wars fans now than I am the movie

Give it time. When the prequel movies came out most people were like 'they weren't THAT bad!'.

Then they had time to rewatch/analyze them at their leisure and take off the rose tinted glasses

You do realize that you're basically making an argument for your opinion being the "correct one", and that you're simply waiting for the rest of mankind to catch up to your "enlightened state" don't you?

Did the film have errors. Of course. Every film has errors. Will everyone poo-poo this one like you. No. Not now, and not later.

I think it is high time that some people (and not even necessarily you) learned not to make this mistake:

It's time the human species accepted that taste is subjective. We still seem to struggle with that simple idea.

Perhaps I'm being harsh, but it's a pet-peeve of mine.

You say I'm acting 'enlightened' just because I've seen the same thing happen 3 times already?

I say enlightened because you use the term "rose tinted glasses" to describe people who liked the film(s). To me that sounds a lot like you propping your opinion as more insightful and wise than the opinions of others and/or describing people who don't see it your way as naive.

I didn't even say I thought the movie was bad. I said 'good, but not great'.

I literally did this. Loudly. While quoting Obi Wan's line about "Only Stormtroopers could be so accurate".

Did anyone else feel like cheering, as Imperial players, when the First Order storm troopers in the opening scene were actually accurate?

Yeah, my roommate, and I both marveled over the same detail. We were like, "Whoa, storm troopers are scary again."

I say enlightened because you use the term "rose tinted glasses" to describe people who liked the film(s). To me that sounds a lot like you propping your opinion as more insightful and wise than the opinions of others and/or describing people who don't see it your way as naive.

I didn't even say I thought the movie was bad. I said 'good, but not great'.

It's no big thing. I freely admit that your apparent tone and the tone of others simply irritated a pet peeve of mine. It's not an indictment of you as a person. I'm usually quite nice in these parts, so there's no real beef with you.

I could hardly condemn your opinion without being a complete hypocrite.

Truce.