Something of note related to the game of x-wing:
The TIE/FO special forces variant seems to have these features:
Lasers (primary weapon) and a rear arc (or turret)
Missiles (secondary) confirmed by Poe
Particle Cannon? (cannon slot)
Extremely manoeuvrable.
Also, it likely was not Coruscant destroyed, but Chandrilla.
Edited by That Blasted SamophlangeSaid it elsewhere - while I don't really have a problem with the entire Starkiller base story replicating the Death Star from A New Hope, I think I would have preferred the focus of the film to be on the search for Luke - both the Resistance leaders and Kylo Ren trying to be the first to track him down - as opposed to a new galactic WMD.
But it is what it is, and it's still all good.
I found totally unnecessary the whole Starkiller base things being a rehash of the Death Star and Death Star II sequences.
There is even a trench run, again. There is Han and Chewie getting onto the surface to disable the shields, again.
Captain Phasma disables the shields because... why? I didn't get that.
What planets did they destroy? Was that Coruscant being blown up? Did they really blow up the Senate (and so Coruscant) without the main characters actually feeling much about it?
What is the First Order to start with?
Is it something like the Imperial Remnant, a rival realm that is trying to conquer the Republic?
Or is it just a political/militaristic group within the Republic?
Or is it a cult or terrorist organization? Why isn't that clear?
More importantly... What the heck is the Resistance? If the Republic is there, and the republic has a republic army... why the Resistance exists at all as a separate entity? What is its goal, and why it's not the same of that of the republic? Are they just some kind of A-Team or Leage of Justice kind of group or what?
What was the whole point of the map pieces? Why is R2D2 in low power mode, doing what? Why he has most of the map, and why Luke bothered to put it in different pieces if he didn't want to be found to start with?
This movie has bigger plot holes than any other in the series before...
More importantly... What the heck is the Resistance? If the Republic is there, and the republic has a republic army... why the Resistance exists at all as a separate entity? What is its goal, and why it's not the same of that of the republic? Are they just some kind of A-Team or Leage of Justice kind of group or what?
Think of the Republic as the UN. No actual military forces of it's own, so to speak. And think of the Resistance as it's own organisation, dedicated to opposing the First Order.
The First Order exists because the burgeoning Republic made peace with the remains of the Empire, rather than trying to hunt them down and destroy them utterly.
Actually, wasn't there a line in the movie about how the Resistance was greatly weakened because of the loss of the fleet of their allies, the Republic (because the First Order had unleashed their doomsday weapon on them)?
Edited by CremateI just loved the fact that Star Wars got it's sense of humour back.
Laugh it up Fuzzball!
Edited by rilesmanI really liked Kylo as a character. I was shocked when he took of the mask precisely because he was not a monster but a young lad. His vulnerability and volitility go hand in hand.
I'll also theorise that the 'emperor' is the projection of a long-dead Sith Lord, or at least one in stasis somewhere.
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So I just saw it last night. It was ok.
It definitely wasn't bad, but it really felt like JJ was trying to do a "this is how I would have written SW"
Harrison Ford definitely did an amazing job, and seeing Ackbar and Nunb was fun (really FFG, you give us some stupid pilot and NOT Nunb as the 2nd T-70 pilot???)
Rey was pretty well done, and most of the acting in general was superb, although Kylo's voice is really obnoxious. I felt like the villains weren't fleshed out enough, and they were just being evil for the sake of being evil. I was expecting Kylo to be Han's son, and I was expecting Han to get killed.
No Y-wings ;(
Ha, what if it Palpatine and still alive. It would explain why he didn't train Kylo.I really liked Kylo as a character. I was shocked when he took of the mask precisely because he was not a monster but a young lad. His vulnerability and volitility go hand in hand.
I'll also theorise that the 'emperor' is the projection of a long-dead Sith Lord, or at least one in stasis somewhere.
Actually, Snoke looks alot like Plagieus did.
I for one loved it. Sure it was similar to Episode 4, but it's not like the Star Wars movies have ever been the most original things. Plus it makes perfect sense for the First Order to make a superweapon, with the ambition of being even bigger than the Death Star. Their entire MO is bringing the Empire back in the biggest way possible, and what was the Empire's most infamous trait?
Kylo Ren was perhaps my favourite part of the movie, and the majority of complaints against him I've seen are that he's not a good antagonist because he's not a one-dimensional "lol I'm evil" outright badass Sith. If he was just that I probably wouldn't have liked him that much. And that scene was so artistically done...
In case anyone is wondering who was under that mask when Rey told him to open the cuffs and the door....it was Bond.
I for one loved it. Sure it was similar to Episode 4, but it's not like the Star Wars movies have ever been the most original things. Plus it makes perfect sense for the First Order to make a superweapon, with the ambition of being even bigger than the Death Star. Their entire MO is bringing the Empire back in the biggest way possible, and what was the Empire's most infamous trait?
Kylo Ren was perhaps my favourite part of the movie, and the majority of complaints against him I've seen are that he's not a good antagonist because he's not a one-dimensional "lol I'm evil" outright badass Sith. If he was just that I probably wouldn't have liked him that much. And that scene was so artistically done...
On the contrary, my complaint is that he WAS very shallow. I'm sure they'll expand his character more in future movies, but it really felt like he was: lol I'm evil just for fun.
A slight PS to my earlier post, Who the heck was the old guy in the beginning?? That's driving me crazy!
Came off to me as more like he thinks he wants to be evil, but he can't quite make it work, he's not his grandfather but he so desperately wants to be, and denying the fact Anakin died as himself. Especially when he took off his mask, the mask seemed to give him the confidence he needed, like he could become the mask instead of the unassuming, soft-spoken conflicted son of Han and Leia. But to each their own interpretations I suppose.
Ha, what if it Palpatine and still alive.
No, it was confirmed some time back that he died on the DSII.
Came off to me as more like he thinks he wants to be evil, but he can't quite make it work, he's not his grandfather but he so desperately wants to be, and denying the fact Anakin died as himself.
That's kinda the feeling I got too. I mean Yoda said "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice."
Yet Kylo mentioned that he could feel the seduction of the light side, could feel it calling to him. He really did come off as someone who was so desperate to spite his parents he'd do almost anything.
Ha, what if it Palpatine and still alive.
No, it was confirmed some time back that he died on the DSII.
Came off to me as more like he thinks he wants to be evil, but he can't quite make it work, he's not his grandfather but he so desperately wants to be, and denying the fact Anakin died as himself.
That's kinda the feeling I got too. I mean Yoda said "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice."
Yet Kylo mentioned that he could feel the seduction of the light side, could feel it calling to him. He really did come off as someone who was so desperate to spite his parents he'd do almost anything.
Yea, it felt like he was a rebellious teen using the Dark Side to get back at his parents. It just didn't sit well with me.
Felt like more of a kid falling for into a cult/drugs/gang etc to me.
No, it was confirmed some time back that he died on the DSII.Ha, what if it Palpatine and still alive.
That's kinda the feeling I got too. I mean Yoda said "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice."Yet Kylo mentioned that he could feel the seduction of the light side, could feel it calling to him. He really did come off as someone who was so desperate to spite his parents he'd do almost anything.Came off to me as more like he thinks he wants to be evil, but he can't quite make it work, he's not his grandfather but he so desperately wants to be, and denying the fact Anakin died as himself.
I have a feeling he may do a Vader and come good in the end. I loved Ren and I thought he had some depth.
Also someone said he saw Ren's left hand come off. We all saw the face but I didn't notice the hand. That being said I was so engolfed in the film at that moment you could of had jar jar in back of shot and I wouldn't have noticed.
No, it was confirmed some time back that he died on the DSII.Ha, what if it Palpatine and still alive.
That's kinda the feeling I got too. I mean Yoda said "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice."Yet Kylo mentioned that he could feel the seduction of the light side, could feel it calling to him. He really did come off as someone who was so desperate to spite his parents he'd do almost anything.Came off to me as more like he thinks he wants to be evil, but he can't quite make it work, he's not his grandfather but he so desperately wants to be, and denying the fact Anakin died as himself.
I have a feeling he may do a Vader and come good in the end. I loved Ren and I thought he had some depth.
Also someone said he saw Ren's left hand come off. We all saw the face but I didn't notice the hand. That being said I was so engolfed in the film at that moment you could of had jar jar in back of shot and I wouldn't have noticed.
Harrison Ford definitely did an amazing job, and seeing Ackbar and Nunb was fun (really FFG, you give us some stupid pilot and NOT Nunb as the 2nd T-70 pilot???)
Right? Especially since Ello Asty got killed. I spotted him in the movie, and he had a couple of lines (he speaks Basic!) but we also saw him get blown up.
His name should be Oodbye Asty.
says it all
It says little, as Abrams did a good job.
I also like the theory that I've read in this thread (or maybe the other one?) that Kylo's saber crackles because it's a shoddily made amateur job, not because he purposely made it that way. Goes well with his unfocused nature.
He's a **** good filmmaker, is what he is.
It's either because it is an amateur job, or it is based on an ancient design.
Am I the only one who really missed the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning? It felt weird to me for the Star Wars theme to start without it.
says it all
Ugh.
There's another theory that Kylo Ren's saber is actually what's left of Darth Vaders. Apparently it somehow survived the Death Star 2 explosion, then got taken by some cultists who were bent on destroying it. Kylo Ren finds it and takes it from them before they totally destroy it...