I am keeping things vague so as not to incite anger from people who may have witnessed this. A judge is called in regarding an in arc issue. Judge drops laser. Initially calls it out. I however have a better angle on it and can see the judge has not dropped the laser square to the line ( he was slightly off because the large model was obscuring part of the base from the angle he was standing at). I protest requesting he come to my side of the table (where the model won't be in the way) and drop it again. A second judge comes over on my side drops the laser (plumb this time due to no obstruction) and the ruling gets reversed in my favor. My opponent and the first judge and several members of the community feel I'm an ******* for challenging the judge (again I had initially requested he simply change the position from where he was dropping the laser so he could visualize it better). As it turned out to be VERY important that I won that arc ruling ( i got the kill on the ship which would put me over on points.)

Question: Was I being an *******?

I don't think so, no. In a competitive, tournament environment you're allowed to call for rulings. Judges are just people too, they're not infallible. It's possible you didn't have the best attitude about it, but I wasn't there so I obviously can't say.

With that said, I'd say you were within your rights to ask for a second opinion.

I am keeping things vague so as not to incite anger from people who may have witnessed this. A judge is called in regarding an in arc issue. Judge drops laser. Initially calls it out. I however have a better angle on it and can see the judge has not dropped the laser square to the line ( he was slightly off because the large model was obscuring part of the base from the angle he was standing at). I protest requesting he come to my side of the table (where the model won't be in the way) and drop it again. A second judge comes over on my side drops the laser (plumb this time due to no obstruction) and the ruling gets reversed in my favor. My opponent and the first judge and several members of the community feel I'm an ******* for challenging the judge (again I had initially requested he simply change the position from where he was dropping the laser so he could visualize it better). As it turned out to be VERY important that I won that arc ruling ( i got the kill on the ship which would put me over on points.)

Question: Was I being an *******?

No, if he was measuring the arc with the laser line not lining up with the actual arc, you were totally right to ask him to remeasure from a different angle to make sure it was right.

Not as long as you didn't say it like one.

Question: Was I being an *******?

Not at all. The best way to check LOS with a laser is directly overhead, even with a laser the angle you hold it could skew things (not to mention the ship model being in the way, as well). Having a second judge check on your side was a good idea.

Yeah, really it depends if you were being an ******* about it, the request itself doesn't make you an *******.

No you were in the right, judges are only human and prone to mistakes like anyone.

Question: Was I being an *******?

Not as long as you didn't say it like one.

Exactly, there's a huge difference between "Are you f'ing blind? come over here and do it right!" and "I don't think you can get a true line from that spot, could you try it over here where you can see better?"

Also I'd say if a judge gets pissy because someone questions his call that person has no place being a judge.

There is a point where a judge's word is final, but that doesn't mean their first word has to be.

Also I'd say if a judge gets pissy because someone questions his call that person has no place being a judge.

There is a point where a judge's word is final, but that doesn't mean their first word has to be.

This. It's about getting the call right, not about the judge being right.

Question: Was I being an *******?

Not as long as you didn't say it like one.

Exactly, there's a huge difference between "Are you f'ing blind? come over here and do it right!" and "I don't think you can get a true line from that spot, could you try it over here where you can see better?"Also I'd say if a judge gets pissy because someone questions his call that person has no place being a judge.There is a point where a judge's word is final, but that doesn't mean their first word has to be.

Exactly sports has multiple judges and video playback for a reason.

I'm judge/organizer/player.

In my opinion using transparent range ruler is way more precise than laser marker in extremely tight situations.

Or maybe that's just my laser. It's ~1mm or something wide. You can't align it exactly pin-point with the arc.

It serves in situations where you want to quickly check the arc, and if there are ships in the way.

With laser, there are sometimes players questioning, whether it can't be rotated 0.05 degrees on one or the other direction.

With range ruler, there have been no questions.

Lasers are better for games with LOS if you ask me, or situations where getting a ruler in there just isn't going to work (cramped around a CR90 and raider maybe).

I try to avoid using lasers these days. It'd destroy my models (cats).

Lilith Hesperax was no match for Taco, No match at all.

Your text does nothing to indicate you were being a bunch of asterisks.

Your words at the event could prove your text wrong though. Attitude would be the deciding factor.

I'm more a Getafix kinda guy.

You should absolutely call another opinion if you can see its close from your perspective. I've called a judge before who used a laser, I asked the judge to turn the laser 180 degrees, surprise surprise... its now in arc! To the clear range rulers (which are best anyway)

When I'm the judge, I have a homemade and checked laser, and use a set of clear range rulers if there's questions on the laser. Show both people your call and why. I haven't had any problems yet!

As a child of the 80's I say all lasers all the time.