I find if the astromech rotates 90 degrees, it is more likely to fit without separating. I figure artoo's and other astromech legs would probably lower a bit as well."
A bit of logic and the N1 socket can work.
SW Rebels new fighter maybe
But there's nothing wrong with the astromech slot. It just pulls the innards out of the chassis.perfect example, the Astromech slot.Doug Chiang did great work on the Star Wars films. It surpasses most EU design work I see in my various SW guides.
What I consistently see is that people judge the ships by whether they 'look good' rather than if they are good designs. These are two different thing, and ultimately the second is more important.
Well, the N-1 doesn't have a functional design either, but like most things wrong with the prequels, that too is GL's fault.
That's hardly a crazy thing.I mean you can't really think that, as modular and multi-purpose as Astromechs are, that they SERIOUSLY can't just... Pop out of the case a bit?
Because as with all similarly made machines, the real frame is under the plating. It's never been a stretch for me, I don't get why everybody else thinks its so ridiculous.
There is a LOT wrong with the astromech slot in the N-1. R-2 supposedly pulls in his shoulders a bit to fit, but geometrically this is still a completely impossible fit. It's not a matter of his head telescoping; it's that his body is physically incapable of fitting in the space allotted to it. Doug Chiang originally made the droid socket wide enough to accommodate the legs, but George Lucas didn't like it and insisted the socket be exactly the same diameter as the head top to bottom... At least they were able to get away with putting a lip around it.
The Millennium Falcon has a similar problem with its deckplan, but at least it has the excuse of being rushed into design and production for the first film.
Hey someone knows about the falcon deck plan and why it's messed up! My faith in the fandom is rekindled...until someone brings up TFU again.
Too bad they didn't put the socket in 'sidways' on the N-1 like they did with the ARC-170. That wouldn't have messed with the aesthetic as much even if R2 would have looked like he was riding side saddle.
I could understand R2 being able to telescope his dome but compressing the rest of his body and legs is just too much. The cross section should have shown his body inclined at an angle with his 'neck' bending to poke his dome out of the top hole. Even separating his legs from his body (they look like they just screw off at the 'shoulder') while inside the ship would have been fine I guess.
The Millennium Falcon has a similar problem with its deckplan, but at least it has the excuse of being rushed into design and production for the first film.
As I recall, the problems with the Falcon are most glaring when you compare the shots of actors outside the cockpit on Hoth with shots inside the cockpit; i.e. the problems come up/continue in The Empire Strikes Back. I don't think rushed design is an excuse.
I will say most of the designs for the prequel ships aren't bad, But has anyone finished out the thought. If They did bring in prequel ships most of them would have ended up for sale as military surplus, going to private security and local militia in the best case or sold to private owners. the wort case they would have been in the scarp heap. So looking at it like that most of them would have ended up being flown by the scum of the galaxy. To cover several other ships thta have been released the Y-wing was flown for almost fifty years of service (give or take) and the Z-95 was produced Before the Clone Wars and saw service well after into the New Republic era.
Now to cover Prequel Hate. I Loathe them not for the their story plot, Or how they made their ships, But for the fact That Mr. Lucas micro-managed the approval of all the books that come out before them, Then decide after the fact he wanted the story to go a different way and screwed all the time lines and story arcs of almost every one of them. If he wanted to do that then he should did what Disney did and said form the get go that none of it counted any more. Sorry end of mini rant.
Yes, but the point I was originally making was that you can't put something in the original trilogy era and call it an original trilogy ship in order to justify having it in a game that is dedicated only to the original trilogy era.
And it's what they did do with the Gozanti. They took a Clone Wars ship, revamped it for a TV show set in the GCW era, and lo and behold, now it's in XWM.
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Doug Chiang did great work on the Star Wars films. It surpasses most EU design work I see in my various SW guides.
What I consistently see is that people judge the ships by whether they 'look good' rather than if they are good designs. These are two different thing, and ultimately the second is more important.
Well, the N-1 doesn't have a functional design either, but like most things wrong with the prequels, that too is GL's fault.
perfect example, the Astromech slot.
But there's nothing wrong with the astromech slot. It just pulls the innards out of the chassis.
That's hardly a crazy thing.I mean you can't really think that, as modular and multi-purpose as Astromechs are, that they SERIOUSLY can't just... Pop out of the case a bit?
Because as with all similarly made machines, the real frame is under the plating. It's never been a stretch for me, I don't get why everybody else thinks its so ridiculous.
There is a LOT wrong with the astromech slot in the N-1. R-2 supposedly pulls in his shoulders a bit to fit, but geometrically this is still a completely impossible fit. It's not a matter of his head telescoping; it's that his body is physically incapable of fitting in the space allotted to it. Doug Chiang originally made the droid socket wide enough to accommodate the legs, but George Lucas didn't like it and insisted the socket be exactly the same diameter as the head top to bottom... At least they were able to get away with putting a lip around it.
The Millennium Falcon has a similar problem with its deckplan, but at least it has the excuse of being rushed into design and production for the first film.
Uhm...
You... DO know... That the R2 unit enters the N1 from the bottom right?
is there a link to this teaser anywhere?
As I recall, the problems with the Falcon are most glaring when you compare the shots of actors outside the cockpit on Hoth with shots inside the cockpit; i.e. the problems come up/continue in The Empire Strikes Back. I don't think rushed design is an excuse.The Millennium Falcon has a similar problem with its deckplan, but at least it has the excuse of being rushed into design and production for the first film.
The main problem is the exterior set was built 'too small', but using less than 1:1 scale for full size mock ups is routine in filming. If you go by the measurements straight from the set and try to fit the interior set into the exterior set it will simply not work because the interior sets were built at 1:1 scale. All the deck plans that have been officially released show the interior stuff all crammed into and pushed around the too-small falcon exterior.
The boarding ramp and how it connects with the inner hallway is anothe issue and that one is due to a lot of factors, one of which is the complex nature of designing the falcon to begin with. I'm sure slot of folks are familiar with the story that what we have now as the Tantive IV is the 'original' concept for a 'linear' falcon, resized about 3 times larger when it was decided that the falcon was gonna be round. Just put the nose cone cockpit onto the front of the corvette instead of the hammer head and you get an approximation of what it would have looked like before the change.
At any rate because of these multiple changes in design we are left with a crew that had very little time to design the falcon when it was decided to be round with a raised cockpit and forward mandibles. All in all I think they did an excellent job.
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As I recall, the problems with the Falcon are most glaring when you compare the shots of actors outside the cockpit on Hoth with shots inside the cockpit; i.e. the problems come up/continue in The Empire Strikes Back. I don't think rushed design is an excuse.The Millennium Falcon has a similar problem with its deckplan, but at least it has the excuse of being rushed into design and production for the first film.
The main problem is the exterior set was built 'too small', but using less than 1:1 scale for full size mock ups is routine in filming. If you go by the measurements straight from the set and try to fit the interior set into the exterior set it will simply not work because the interior sets were built at 1:1 scale. All the deck plans that have been officially released show the interior stuff all crammed into and pushed around the too-small falcon exterior.
The boarding ramp and how it connects with the inner hallway is anothe issue and that one is due to a lot of factors, one of which is the complex nature of designing the falcon to begin with. I'm sure slot of folks are familiar with the story that what we have now as the Tantive IV is the 'original' concept for a 'linear' falcon, resized about 3 times larger when it was decided that the falcon was gonna be round. Just put the nose cone cockpit onto the front of the corvette instead of the hammer head and you get an approximation of what it would have looked like before the change.
At any rate because of these multiple changes in design we are left with a crew that had very little time to design the falcon when it was decided to be round with a raised cockpit and forward mandibles. All in all I think they did an excellent job.
Millenium Falcon v1 essentially became the DP-20 later on.
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Thanks. We apparently had to literally draw a picture to get the point across.
The telescoping 'neck' is ok, I guess, as long as it's a trick to fit inside something. Extending and opening like that leaves the insides vulnerable to all sorts of contamination and grime, so I guess that's why R2 didn't raise his dome to peek into Yoda's hut (he raised up on his 'toes' to see in) and only used his periscope to see while submerged in the swamp. Hey, why didn't he just use his periscope at the hut? Did he just want to use his big ol radar eye to see, or did he just wanna look cute for the camera?
If it wasn't for the 'need' to have an astromech on the N-1 we wouldn't be discussing this. It would be a super sleek looking ship without that socket all together.
The Eta-2 is just as bad with trying to stick a droid on the ship. I think the feet might actually be sticking out the bottom if it wasn't for some CGI shenanigans. At least with the Delta-7 they realized it and just had the dome hard wired (or truly integrated), until they started using the modified B versions with the central astromech slot.
Yep, looks like a Gauntlet.
The telescoping 'neck' is ok, I guess, as long as it's a trick to fit inside something. Extending and opening like that leaves the insides vulnerable to all sorts of contamination and grime, so I guess that's why R2 didn't raise his dome to peek into Yoda's hut (he raised up on his 'toes' to see in) and only used his periscope to see while submerged in the swamp. Hey, why didn't he just use his periscope at the hut? Did he just want to use his big ol radar eye to see, or did he just wanna look cute for the camera?
If it wasn't for the 'need' to have an astromech on the N-1 we wouldn't be discussing this. It would be a super sleek looking ship without that socket all together.
The Eta-2 is just as bad with trying to stick a droid on the ship. I think the feet might actually be sticking out the bottom if it wasn't for some CGI shenanigans. At least with the Delta-7 they realized it and just had the dome hard wired (or truly integrated), until they started using the modified B versions with the central astromech slot.
There's this big socket bit at the bottom where an Astromech's feet do actually fit.
Those look alot smaller than the Ones form the Clone wars.
There are a lot of fans who liked the prequels. We would like to see prequel ships for X-wing.
Most prequel ship hate comes from Episode 1, where the Naboo ships got so much hype and were so gaudy and out of touch with the aesthetic of the lived in world Star Wars has always provided. Those designs make people extra critical of later ships in the series. It doesn't help that the next majorly hyped ship was a bit boring (the Delta-7) and to be honest, I find most of the Episode 3 stuff to be a little overdesigned. The ETA-2's actually a solid little ship that slaps TIE fighter wings on the side to try and look like an evolution, but makes both it and the ARC look more like uglies than engineered designs.
The ships and droids were the only thing I can say I liked about Episode 1 - the vastly different aesthetic was much appreciated by me as it served to give the Trade Federation and Naboo a distinct cultural identity. Too bad the the rest of the movie was really, really bad. Episode 2 didn't really have much ships and mostly returned to the generic Star Wars aesthetic, but kept the terribad story. Episode 3 had possibly the ugliest ships (the ARC was probably the prettiest Republic ship - the CIS ships looked much better), the story was a refief as you know there wasn't going to be any more of these sh*tty movies.
And yes - the N1 been recently featured in a Star Wars: Shattered Empire. The main driving force for myself and others like me to see it in the game is to have Leia in a starfighter. Poe Dameron's mom flies another of the 3.
The Gauntlet does seem like a fine candidate for Scum. It shows up in several newcanon sources, starting with the Clone Wars, continuing to Rebels, and even showing up 30 years after Endor in a pre-TFA short story.
Those look alot smaller than the Ones form the Clone wars.
Going by Wookieepedia, the Gauntlet is several meters longer and significantly wider than the Ghost. Those ships in the clip look to be closer in size to an X-wing. Probably a small fighter made by the same manufacturers as the Gauntlet.
The Gauntlet does seem like a fine candidate for Scum. It shows up in several newcanon sources, starting with the Clone Wars, continuing to Rebels, and even showing up 30 years after Endor in a pre-TFA short story.
It does, it has a bunch of named pilots in canon as well - Scum already has more large ships than Rebels or Empire - large ships seem to be one of it's identifiers - some people are saying it might be too big based on length (it is quite long at 50+m) - but I think it can work.
The only smaller ships that look like that are the Aka'jor-class shuttle (unarmed) and the M3-A Scyk (variation) - sizes can be deceptive especially in an ariel fight when there is nothing on the same depth to compare the starship to.
Edited by HanthemanNot having seen the teasers, it isn't the http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gauntlet_fighter by any chance, is it?
I thought about the same ship, love it, love everything about the mandalorian saga from star wars the clone wars
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Edited by NyarrIt does, it has a bunch of named pilots in canon as well - Scum already has more large ships than Rebels or Empire - large ships seem to be one of it's identifiers - some people are saying it might be too big based on length (it is quite long at 50+m) - but I think it can work.The Gauntlet does seem like a fine candidate for Scum. It shows up in several newcanon sources, starting with the Clone Wars, continuing to Rebels, and even showing up 30 years after Endor in a pre-TFA short story.
The only smaller ships that look like that are the Aka'jor-class shuttle (unarmed) and the M3-A Scyk (variation) - sizes can be deceptive especially in an ariel fight when there is nothing on the same depth to compare the starship to.