Equipping cannon upgrades like, Ion, autoblaster, and heavy laser cannon on ships like the Falcon and Decimator: Do they get 360 arcs?

what about Slave 1? Do they get the rear arc as well?

No.

Unless stated by an ability of the weapon (turrets or hot shot blaster) or the pilot ( such as moralo in the yv 666 or nera dantels in a b wing) secondary weapons (besides bombs) all use the front guide 'v'

Nope. Primary firing arc only, unless you equip a turret upgrade.

Some upgrades allow ships to perform secondary weapon attacks outside of their firing arc - some ships have a primary weapon that is able to perform attacks outside of its firing arc, but .......

NOTHING has a 360 arc.

Worth pointing out the 'Outrider' title does allow secondary cannons on the YT-2400 to fire 360 (at the expense of losing your primary weapon entirely).

secondary weapons (besides bombs) all use the front guide 'v'

Bombs are not secondary weapons. Secondary Weapon is a specific term in the game with a precise definition (an upgrade card with the "Attack:" header). anything with that header is a secondary weapon, no matter what slot it fills. anything without that header is NOT a secondary weapon, no matter what slot it fills or whether or not it does damage to the enemy.

OH! Ok... Hence why the Decimator has the forward firing arc as well. So ANY secondary weapon is limits to forward arc unless specifically stated. (I.e.: Y-wing ion cannon turret). That will make the ballance a lot better. First time testing the new ship I was using heavy laser canon as a turret and was amazed at the strength. Oops!!

Thank you everyone.

OH! Ok... Hence why the Decimator has the forward firing arc as well. So ANY secondary weapon is limits to forward arc unless specifically stated. (I.e.: Y-wing ion cannon turret). That will make the ballance a lot better. First time testing the new ship I was using heavy laser canon as a turret and was amazed at the strength. Oops!!

Thank you everyone.

You know the Decimator can't take a Cannon upgrade, right? Unless you were talking about a different ship?

And the Ion cannon Turret isn't limited to just the Y-wing...

Just because the Decimator has a primary weapon that can fire outside it's firing arc, it doesn't mean any secondary weapon upgrade you add, gains that ability as well.

OH! Ok... Hence why the Decimator has the forward firing arc as well. So ANY secondary weapon is limits to forward arc unless specifically stated. (I.e.: Y-wing ion cannon turret). That will make the ballance a lot better. First time testing the new ship I was using heavy laser canon as a turret and was amazed at the strength. Oops!!

Thank you everyone.

Yep - each ship is limited to only taking upgrades which have a matching upgrade icon on their upgrade bar - with the exception of Titles and Modifications.

The distinction between a 360 arc and performing attacks outside of your firing arc is an important one to understand.

Check out cards like Tactician and Autothrusters to help appreciate why that distinction is important.

You know the Decimator can't take a Cannon upgrade, right? Unless you were talking about a different ship?

Holy Moley!!!! You're right! I got so excited with Slave 1 & Decimator my eyes added a symbol. Thank you for catching that mistake! (I feel real bad now)

Funkleton- i don't understand Autothrusters. How can ship A fire if ship B (with Autothrusters) is outside of firing arcs?

You know the Decimator can't take a Cannon upgrade, right? Unless you were talking about a different ship?

Holy Moley!!!! You're right! I got so excited with Slave 1 & Decimator my eyes added a symbol. Thank you for catching that mistake! (I feel real bad now)

Funkleton- i don't understand Autothrusters. How can ship A fire if ship B (with Autothrusters) is outside of firing arcs?

If it has a Primary Weapon Turret or equips a Turret upgrade.

Funkleton- i don't understand Autothrusters. How can ship A fire if ship B (with Autothrusters) is outside of firing arcs?

Because turret primary and secondary weapons (plus various other upgrades and certain pilot abilities) - do not give you a 360 degree firing arc, they allow you to shoot outside of your firing arc.

So although certain ships can shoot 360 degrees, the defender is considered out of arc if its ship base is not inside the attacking ship's printed firing arc.

make sense?

Ahhhh.... So how about this scenario:

Decimator attacking A wing with Autothrusters at range 2 bearing @ Decimator's 9 o'clock position

Autothrusters are applied due to being outside the firing arc (forward 90 degree section)

Ahhhh.... So how about this scenario:

Decimator attacking A wing with Autothrusters at range 2 bearing @ Decimator's 9 o'clock position

Autothrusters are applied due to being outside the firing arc (forward 90 degree section)

Exactly right.

There are a few additional subtleties to the way arc and attack range are treated - for example arc and range are separate conditions - so it is possible for a ship to be attacked out of arc, but still be considered to be "in arc" if part of the defending ships base still falls within the attackers printed firing arc - but it might be best to leave the finer points of that discussion to another time

There are no 360 arc, only weapons that allow a ship to ignore firing arcs.

Auxiliary firing arcs (Firespray) only apply to the ship's primary weapon for attacks unless specified otherwise. They ARE still actual firing arcs however which can trigger/negate things that look for a ship being inside/outside of a firing arc. Backstabber coming in behind a Falcon gets its bonus but coming in behind a Firespray does not.

Hi Everyone

I am a bit new to the game. and i am confused with the Turret upgrade firing arc.

If you add a turret upgrade it always fire inside and outside the firing arc ? Or just if it is explicit on the card ?

If so, what is the difference of that and saying it is a 360o arc as a Millenium Falcon primary weapon ?

Turrets allow you to target outside of the arc. You can still shoot at things inside of your arc. NOTHING actually has a 360 degree firing arc.

NOTHING actually has a 360 degree firing arc.

Yeah it may seem like a meaningless distinction, but it really isn't. A lot of stuff in the game is based on being either inside or outside a ship's arc, such as Backstabber, Outmaneuver, R7-T1, Crack Shot, ect...

The fact that a ship can fire its primary outside its arc doesn't mean it has a 360 deg arc, because those other cards still interact with a ship's printed arc.

This cannot be repeated enough: NOTHING HAS A 360-DEGREE FIRING ARC. It would either invalidate or over-power so many upgrades if any ship were to have a 360-degree primary arc. A turret simply allows you to also attack outside of the primary weapon arc. Every turret secondary weapon has the qualifier: "Attack: Attack 1 ship (even a ship outside your firing arc)."

From the Rules Reference Guide, Page 19

TURRET PRIMARY WEAPON
Some ships use a turret as their primary weapon.
Each of these ships has a unique primary weapon
icon, and each ship token shows a circular red arrow
around the token’s center as a reminder. When
attacking with a turret primary weapon, a ship may
target an enemy ship inside or outside its firing arc.
• A ship with a turret primary weapon still has a
printed firing arc that is not 360º.
• When attacking with a secondary weapon, the
ship must still target an enemy ship inside its
firing arc (unless specified otherwise on its
Upgrade card).

For example, if it was true that a ship did have a 360-degree firing arc, then Tactician would work ALL THE WAY around the ship in a giant Range 2 doughnut. Autothrusters would rarely work as you would never be outside of the firing arc.

It's a slight, but incredibly important, distinction for this game to function properly.