Saying you want a card that comes in one expansion but don't want the expansion is a fallacy. The card is a part of the expansion, so you want the expansion. You might not want every ship card, upgrade, token, and model in the expansion, but you want the expansion.

Don't you think you're arguing semantics and missing the point of the statement altogether?

Saying you want a card that comes in one expansion but don't want the expansion is a fallacy. The card is a part of the expansion, so you want the expansion. You might not want every ship card, upgrade, token, and model in the expansion, but you want the expansion.

Don't you think you're arguing semantics and missing the point of the statement altogether?

The point being a claim that they don't want the expansion but want FFG to sell them the parts of the expansion they want?

And thinking it'd be cheaper is incorrect. A 20oz soda costs nearly as much as a 2 liter bottle because of packaging. Sam's Club and Costco, with their giant sizes, are cheaper because you get more in the package.

To save money on the expansion they don't want, they should buy over $100 on MM or CSI and pretend the $9 from the ship they don't want is the shipping cost.

First off: this has been discussed (many, many, many times) before. That's okay, you're new.

FFG has gone on record that they won't do card only packs. That's not the business model for this game. It seems unlikely they'll go back on that, partially because many players have made the investment in expansions purely for the cards.

And they certainly won't go the CCG route, which is basically dead apart from Pokemon, MTG and Yu-Gi-Oh. FFG has their LCG's and they are very successful

I have read many postings saying what you have written about what FFG said but, I have never read that from FFG could you please point me to the official record saying they will not do card only packs. Thankx.

I want to say Gencon 2014 they said that they looked into it, but the projections weren't what the wanted.

eBay?

No, it does not have to be random packs of cards. Packs could be is needed or most wanted for one side lets say about 25 cards. People talk about profit margins if measured in percentage the profit margin would be higher for cards than selling a huge model or even a small one. Cards are a lot cheaper to make than a smallpainted plastic model and could be sold at the same price.

The only way I could possibility see this work would be to just have a pack labeled with an upgrade type (EPT, Missiles, Bombs, etc.) and it just have one of each in it. But this is a moot point given previous posts.

Saying you want a card that comes in one expansion but don't want the expansion is a fallacy. The card is a part of the expansion, so you want the expansion.

Not even a little. If you don't want 90% of the contents of an expansion, you don't want the expansion.

If someone makes me a peanutbutter and **** sandwich. It doesn't matter how much I want the peanutbutter, I still don't want that sandwich.

Let me say this again for the hundredth time.

X-WING IS NOT A CARD GAME, IT IS A MINIATURES GAME!!!!!!!!!

That is all.

Yep. It's a miniatures game where none of the miniatures effect the gameplay in any way, but all the cards do.

I want to say Gencon 2014 they said that they looked into it, but the projections weren't what the wanted.

Here is my reasoning. I know some young guys that want to get into the game and they have limited disposal income. Example: If they want to run Imperials because of Vader (the greatest villain ever) they must buy a huge ship for him to be worth their effort. They are turned off because cards make the game. So making the cards more available at a reasonable cost would bring new people into the game. New people are more people. More people will buy more than less people. Marketingis about making money the more the better.

I really enjoy the game and meeting new people. The more people the merrier.

Which reminds have a great holiday season and be safe out there.

Saying you want a card that comes in one expansion but don't want the expansion is a fallacy. The card is a part of the expansion, so you want the expansion.

Not even a little. If you don't want 90% of the contents of an expansion, you don't want the expansion.

If someone makes me a peanutbutter and **** sandwich. It doesn't matter how much I want the peanutbutter, I still don't want that sandwich.

Since peanutbutter only comes in that one sandwich, you don't know what you're missing. You can proxy peanutbutter (it tastes like chicken) outside of official eating competitions, or borrow it out of someone elses peanutbutter and ****sandwich, but that means you want your friend to buy the peanutbutter and **** sandwich so you can take from them what you won't buy yourself. Regardless, you want what only comes in the sandwich, and wanting part of the sandwich counts as wanting the sandwich.

and be safe out there.

And in there of course, most accidents happen in the home. .

Let me say this again for the hundredth time.

X-WING IS NOT A CARD GAME, IT IS A MINIATURES GAME!!!!!!!!!

That is all.

There no one that I've read that is saying it is a card game but, it is a mini game played with cards just try playing without them.

Over and Out. (BTW in the US military no one ever says that only in the movies because it is either over or out not both)

and be safe out there.

And in there of course, most accidents happen in the home. .

Yes you are correct but,since you are not in my home you are out there somewhere.

I can totally see EU, PTL, AT and other such 'autoinclude' upgrades being given in a special $20 'accessories' pack. It would even come with a free Assault Gunboat miniature. In fact they could make 2 varieties of such packs, the other with a free Missile Boat and the fabled fixes for X-wings, Defenders and Scyks.

Oh and thought this was a board game with special plastic pawns with tokens that identify what kind of chess pieces you have, as well as cards that grant special abilities to the pawns or tokens. The cool toy spaceships are awesome though!

I can totally see EU, PTL, AT and other such 'autoinclude' upgrades being given in a special $20 'accessories' pack. It would even come with a free Assault Gunboat miniature. In fact they could make 2 varieties of such packs, the other with a free Missile Boat and the fabled fixes for X-wings, Defenders and Scyks.

Great, an upgrade pack I don't want, but will *have* to buy for the needed miniatures.

Yep. It's a miniatures game where none of the miniatures effect the gameplay in any way, but all the cards do.

Then here is a challenge, try playing X-wing with none of the miniatures. Heck try playing X-wing with only the cards. No dials no dice nothing. Turns out you can't play X-wing wiht only cards.

Further more I can prove that you can play X-wing without the cards. Ever heard of squad builder? Yup, just print out a sheet of your list like you would with Warmachines/hordes or Warhammer and you can still play a game of X-wing without any pilot or upgrade cards!

There, your entire argument has been thoroughly invalidated and debunked , and I can still go on about the business model design and so on to prove that X-wing is not a card game and card only expansions are unnecessary and a hindrance.

Now If you want to play a Star Wars themed card game based upon the Star Wars franchise FFG makes a fine one you can find here . They also have another non-collectible card game if you don't want to sink the money into the LCG format which you can find here . If you want card games about star wars please check of there first.

Let go, Luke.

Let go, Luke.

Elsa? Oh, yeah, that's was Ben, sorry.

Yep. It's a miniatures game where none of the miniatures effect the gameplay in any way, but all the cards do.

Then here is a challenge, try playing X-wing with none of the miniatures. Heck try playing X-wing with only the cards. No dials no dice nothing. Turns out you can't play X-wing wiht only cards.

Let me say this again for the hundredth time.

X-WING IS NOT A CARD GAME, IT IS A MINIATURES GAME!!!!!!!!!

That is all.

There no one that I've read that is saying it is a card game but, it is a mini game played with cards just try playing without them.

Over and Out. (BTW in the US military no one ever says that only in the movies because it is either over or out not both)

Further more I can prove that you can play X-wing without the cards. Ever heard of squad builder? Yup, just print out a sheet of your list like you would with Warmachines/hordes or Warhammer and you can still play a game of X-wing without any pilot or upgrade cards!

There, your entire argument has been thoroughly invalidated and debunked , and I can still go on about the business model design and so on to prove that X-wing is not a card game and card only expansions are unnecessary and a hindrance.

Now If you want to play a Star Wars themed card game based upon the Star Wars franchise FFG makes a fine one you can find here . They also have another non-collectible card game if you don't want to sink the money into the LCG format which you can find here . If you want card games about star wars please check of there first.

That's ... a totally different issue. What you're talking about is called using proxy components. You're not actually playing without the cards, you're just copying what the card says and putting it onto a sheet of paper. Cards are the source of rules. Without the card, those specific rules don't exist. When you print out your squad-builder list, you are just using rules copied from the cards.

You said you can't play without ships or dials either, but you can do that, too, if you think about it. You just cut out cardboard squares of the proper dimension, write a pilot's name on there, and push it around the table. Or even better yet, you avoid physical proxies altogether and go play on Vassal. This is exactly the same as printing out squads from a squad-builder.

The models are necessary AND the cards are necessary for this game.

Yep. It's a miniatures game where none of the miniatures effect the gameplay in any way, but all the cards do.

Then here is a challenge, try playing X-wing with none of the miniatures. Heck try playing X-wing with only the cards. No dials no dice nothing. Turns out you can't play X-wing wiht only cards.

Let me say this again for the hundredth time.

X-WING IS NOT A CARD GAME, IT IS A MINIATURES GAME!!!!!!!!!

That is all.

There no one that I've read that is saying it is a card game but, it is a mini game played with cards just try playing without them.

Over and Out. (BTW in the US military no one ever says that only in the movies because it is either over or out not both)

Further more I can prove that you can play X-wing without the cards. Ever heard of squad builder? Yup, just print out a sheet of your list like you would with Warmachines/hordes or Warhammer and you can still play a game of X-wing without any pilot or upgrade cards!

There, your entire argument has been thoroughly invalidated and debunked , and I can still go on about the business model design and so on to prove that X-wing is not a card game and card only expansions are unnecessary and a hindrance.

Now If you want to play a Star Wars themed card game based upon the Star Wars franchise FFG makes a fine one you can find here . They also have another non-collectible card game if you don't want to sink the money into the LCG format which you can find here . If you want card games about star wars please check of there first.

That's ... a totally different issue. What you're talking about is called using proxy components. You're not actually playing without the cards, you're just copying what the card says and putting it onto a sheet of paper. Cards are the source of rules. Without the card, those specific rules don't exist. When you print out your squad-builder list, you are just using rules copied from the cards.

You said you can't play without ships or dials either, but you can do that, too, if you think about it. You just cut out cardboard squares of the proper dimension, write a pilot's name on there, and push it around the table. Or even better yet, you avoid physical proxies altogether and go play on Vassal. This is exactly the same as printing out squads from a squad-builder.

The models are necessary AND the cards are necessary for this game.

Actually if you put a melted blob or a bunch of Legos or a micro machine on top of a peg and stuck it into a base with a Luke ship token I don't think I would really say anything in a casual game. But you better have at least a proxy printed card!

SWCCG forever!

This is an idea a lot of people want to happen (not randomized though, that'd be ******* annoying), but FFG will simply never do it. Look at how many people bought Defenders just for Predator cards pre-Kirahxz. No one actually plays Defenders. Or how many players buy Starvipers just for autothrusters. Or Corvettes for that stupid golden Ewok deity.

So yes, I'd like to be able to just buy a pack of cards for a reasonable price and get 3 Wired cards along with a bunch of other cards, instead of having to eBay a bunch of extras, but it's never going to happen.

No one actually plays Defenders.

Disclaimer: PGS is only speaking for himself.

I knew the Defender Defense Force would show up immediately after I said that.

In all honesty I have flown Defenders before. Once I flew triple Delta and triple Stealth Device. My opponent was flying a bunch of A-Wings and a B-Wing I believe. I did a 4 k turn that quite blatantly was not going to make it that I shouldn't have done, and still won the game. I raised my arms in the air and said, "Yes! I won with 3 Defenders!"

I haven't seen the guy since lol.

I have to get around to flying 3 Onyx Squadrons and 3 TIE MK II's. At least you get PS on TLT boats.

"Defender Defense Force"

I object - you're looking for DarthEnderX.