So the other night I was playing and thought hey this would be cool to have an evade token emblem on one side and an focus token emblem on the other. that way I wouldn't need to carry both tokens. and it would be less clutter on the end of the table "set up area".. Anybody do this? seems like it would be easy to draw an eyeball on the back of the evade tokens i have?? Any problems with tournament legality???

That sounds a bit flawed to me, since it is so easy for a token to get flipped over by accident without you noticing. Often it will be obvious like an evade next to an X-Wing, but it might lead to headaches. The tournament rules do allow custom tokens, but having ones that are different in functionality than the original ones starts being in a gray area and some TOs won't allow you to use them.

We usually throw our tokens to ships with a casual hand movement. This coolness doesn´t tolerate double sided tokens!

They would function the same? as for throwing you all must be pretty good accuracy wise!! particularly when playing a swarm.. lol usually when i try this they just roll off the table and then the cat bats it around the kitchen until he knocks it under the fridge!!

might just try a black sharpy that way I can easily remove the mark if it becomes problematic..I want black for the contrast over the white evade color..

They do have the same purpose, but they function differently in being two things at the same time is what I meant. I don't quite know how to express that in a reasonable manner, but I hope I can get my point across.

A focus-and-evade token is different from both focus and evade tokens. It is doing something differently that not all players might be ok with because of the flaws the concept has.

See my comment on duplicate thread.

*Really, double-sided, double-thread?*

another thing that got me thinking why not tokens with numbers that you can assign to a tombstone number on your ship? that would end the "which token belongs to which ship debate" i do this with my numbered Target lock tokens now. that way i only need ONE TL token to put on the defender as the ship has its corresponding tombstone number all ready on it s base.. cuts down on clutter AND makes it easier to move the ship!!

I would have actually preferred that target locks had the same letter on both sides, as the tokens do sometimes get flipped over in normal play. In my group, we end up only using each token once even though it has two letters to prevent issues from arising. I'm glad FFG didn't make other dual purpose tokens.

They do have the same purpose, but they function differently in being two things at the same time is what I meant. I don't quite know how to express that in a reasonable manner, but I hope I can get my point across.

A focus-and-evade token is different from both focus and evade tokens. It is doing something differently that not all players might be ok with because of the flaws the concept has.

I could just as easily pick up and place the wrong token? and have seen this happen before so nothing is really fool proof. i am just trying to reduce the clutter that this game generates..

They do have the same purpose, but they function differently in being two things at the same time is what I meant. I don't quite know how to express that in a reasonable manner, but I hope I can get my point across.

A focus-and-evade token is different from both focus and evade tokens. It is doing something differently that not all players might be ok with because of the flaws the concept has.

I could just as easily pick up and place the wrong token? and have seen this happen before so nothing is really fool proof. i am just trying to reduce the clutter that this game generates..

Sure, I understand that. I wouldn't mind at all! You asked wether it is tournament legal or not, though, and I see it as a grey area where you are at the mercy of the TO, because these tokens will be quite different from the standart ones and they create flaws different from the ones that occur with normal tokens.

Tokens with numbers are a pretty fantastic idea.

I can see more problems than benefits to this idea. Typically 5-6 tokens needed, so this is not a big clutter issue for me.

He is a fan of TIE swarms, so that cuts 16 tokens down to 8, I can definitly see that appeal and I would not dismiss it.

I don't like it, many times target locks get flipped accidentally or placed wrong usually it's easy to fix because you can flip it back. But evade/focus would cause huge issues. 'Oh sorry that evade was originally a focus let me flip it back and use it to focus these 3 attack dice' sure it was...

another thing that got me thinking why not tokens with numbers that you can assign to a tombstone number on your ship? that would end the "which token belongs to which ship debate" i do this with my numbered Target lock tokens now. that way i only need ONE TL token to put on the defender as the ship has its corresponding tombstone number all ready on it s base.. cuts down on clutter AND makes it easier to move the ship!!

When I number my ships, I never use both number tombstones on the ship, just one off to the side so it can be read from behind and from the front. Then if it is TL capable I put the blue TL token where the second number tombstone should go.

This way when I fly 8 z-95's TL's are easy to keep track of and don't waste time.

I can imagine a problem arising if a token is misplaced on the wrong side, so it is a potential hassle I would like to avoid.

"that guy" may call you to act upon it if you call Focus and place the token Evade side up by mistake.

A friend of mine glued cardboard focus and evade tokens back-to-back. It works fine. Acrylic ones would be even better.

@ the OP, I'm with the others, I think it would be too easy to accidentally flip one of them.

@ some if the other posts in the thread,

I have made my own target locks and matching tombstones to keep them straight. Works great.

A friend of mine, and I have heard of others, take their TLs and color one side solid black so that they are only single sided. Nicely avoids confusion when one gets flipped accidentally, and it's not like we don't all have more than enough TLs.

Why two sides when you can go to six!

Actually I don't have this product, nor would I buy it, but perhaps this may be something you are looking for. I fear that the they actually lead to more confusion to be honest hence why I wouldn't go there myself.

https://modcube.myshopify.com/collections/popular-token-sets-compatible-with-sw-games

Just another data point. I've been using double sided focus/evade tokens (one on each side) for 1.5 years now and have been to every level of FFG tournaments. Never had an issue nor anyone really complain about it. YMMV.

Well, it could be done in acryl (no big deal actually), but I don't see a market for it. And it's really expansive for only a couple of tokens... (normally a production run will give us just over 400 tokens here... quite a number for a single player ;-) ).

So, how much are you willing to pay per token? How many tokens total are we talking about?

I don't see much problem with doing this in a casual game but in a tourney been there is nice stuffs to be won having double sided tokens could be used for cheating by some people.

I want to focus on what Im doing not watching with the eye of a hawk at every token my opponent puts down

oh the weight I could save.. and wouldn't have to eat less on top! :-D

let's see.. as of now I carry 12 focus and 12 evade to every tourney.. say a token clocks in at 3gram? (haven't done weighting, just a 'worse' guess).

that saves me.. 12x3grams.. hey, I could finally use a smaller car now!

sorry for making fun about it, but it was just too **** tempting ;-D

the one thing they -could- have changed with the TFA-set was how TLs work, concerning tokens. but hey.. nobody's perfect.

I've been thinking about using a red 4-sided die to represent stress tokens. Gets rid of all the clutter while flying R3-A2 or Tycho. Another thing that went through my head is taking some excess target locks and repainting the identifiers into something more obvious like MD, CH, PD, R3, etc. That way I only need the red token and only need to use the blue one if the opponent or referee requests it.

I kinda like this idea. In casual play, when I don't want to think about which defensive token would be better (or trying to avoid the situation of taking an evade then rolling all focuses), I have been shaking the 2 tokens together in my hands then randomly choosing one. Having a 2 sided token means I could just flip it like a coin to decide, much more elegant.