OP your original statement seems to point to you being too heavily invested in one faction to see the forest for the trees.

Imperial Homers unite~!

Imperial players complaining that they didn't get enough love in a rebel expansion- news at 11.

I would actually like to cordially remind you that many of the releases DO in fact feature upgrades that work very well with other ships, and can bring a vital new synergy into older models.

The HWK ignores about two thirds of the manouvers available in the game. Typical Rebels.

Yeah but it makes up for it by happily being obliterated. By me. HAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously though I have yet to lose to a single HWK list.

The HWK ignores about two thirds of the manouvers available in the game. Typical Rebels.

Yeah but it makes up for it by happily being obliterated. By me. HAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously though I have yet to lose to a single HWK list.

I've actually done pretty well with SuperGuri and the Spice Runners.

Against higher aces Guri makes a wonderful blocker, waving a red cape at enemy lists while the hwks throw TLT darts at you from outside lonewolf range.

Everytime a new reble ship comes out I wonder what new negative in the game are they going to get to ignore, They have ships/pilots that ignore debris, ships that take stress turn it into a positive and can just get rid of it for no reason, they now have ships that can ignore the penalty of k turning because why not be able to k turn while stressed. It really seems that if you don't know how to fly or make choices that have consequences that Rebels are the faction for you.

You really like to cry on these boards a lot don't you?

Just so everyone knows, this is the same guy that whined when he lost a game in a store championship in the top 8 to a falcon that had 3p0 +r2-d2 crew because he couldn't damage it once it got down to a one on one situation with his decimator. Despite the fact that Paul Heaver had already won world's the previous year with that. Despite the fact that he didn't read the crew r2-d2 before the game. Despite the fact that he had played the same opponent in swiss and didn't read r2-d2 then either.

At some point, you need to realize you're losing because of your own mistakes.

Just so everyone knows, this is the same guy that whined when he lost a game in a store championship in the top 8 to a falcon that had 3p0 +r2-d2 crew because he couldn't damage it once it got down to a one on one situation with his decimator. Despite the fact that Paul Heaver had already won world's the previous year with that. Despite the fact that he didn't read the crew r2-d2 before the game. Despite the fact that he had played the same opponent in swiss and didn't read r2-d2 then either.

At some point, you need to realize you're losing because of your own mistakes.

I can see your point, but… it's kinda mean to call someone out like this on a public forum. Exercise some tact, man. We're all part of a community here, and like it or not we're all allowed to voice our opinions. That's… kinda why they call it a forum. But this is no doubt a very personally frustrating moment, and I think if you take a second to think about it, you'll see that posting something like this here is very mean spirited, even if this member's behavior was less than exemplary. And honestly, I can't say my own nerves wouldn't be a little frayed at a time like that!

The Rebels didn't get to ignore anything new with the Ghost expansion, Tycho exists.

Rebel squads, because of their reduced reliance on green dice and strong synergies have a slight edge in reliability right now. That doesn't mean they are stronger per se, but they are less prone to bad luck. The empire still has Whisper with her montrous action economy and Soontir Fel, too. Emperor Palpatine is very well worth his points. Vader both as ace and crew is very good (although crew right now doesn't have a place, since Sheev took his shuttle).

Scum is not in the best place, but Brobots did incredibly well this nationals season and will continue to do so. They do have really good Tactician carriers with their Firesprays and YV-666s. They also are the place to go to for quad TLT Y-Wings.

Every faction has the tools neccessary to win tournaments. A good player is needed to fully utilize them. Faction bias is very minor at this point.

OP does raise a valid point.

Try making a competitive Imperial list that isn't Palpmobile or RAC/Ace and then see how long that took you.

Then pick randomly, out of the options that the Rebels currently have and you're done in half the time.

OP does raise a valid point.

Try making a competitive Imperial list that isn't Palpmobile or RAC/Ace and then see how long that took you.

Then pick randomly, out of the options that the Rebels currently have and you're done in half the time.

Really? Do so without Poe, Corran, Dash, Han or R3-A2.

Just so everyone knows, this is the same guy that whined when he lost a game in a store championship in the top 8 to a falcon that had 3p0 +r2-d2 crew because he couldn't damage it once it got down to a one on one situation with his decimator. Despite the fact that Paul Heaver had already won world's the previous year with that. Despite the fact that he didn't read the crew r2-d2 before the game. Despite the fact that he had played the same opponent in swiss and didn't read r2-d2 then either.

At some point, you need to realize you're losing because of your own mistakes.

I can see your point, but… it's kinda mean to call someone out like this on a public forum. Exercise some tact, man. We're all part of a community here, and like it or not we're all allowed to voice our opinions. That's… kinda why they call it a forum. But this is no doubt a very personally frustrating moment, and I think if you take a second to think about it, you'll see that posting something like this here is very mean spirited, even if this member's behavior was less than exemplary. And honestly, I can't say my own nerves wouldn't be a little frayed at a time like that!

When the same person makes multiple threads like this, the punches stop getting pulled.

hm...

*looking at the title*

so.. this must be some kind of convention. troll-con, perhaps?

-my- imperials are so much worse than the other 2 factions, please fix.

-my- scummy scums are so much worse than the other 2 factions, please fix.

-my- rebels are so much worse than the other 2 factions, please fix.

please ffg, do something about it already. otherwise, people would actually have to look at a broader picture, maybe think about posting habits, manners and general mature behavior etc..

we can't have that...! ;-)

sorry, for the rant, but I'm getting REALLY tired of the attitude one can see in far too many threads from far too many people.

The HWK ignores about two thirds of the manouvers available in the game. Typical Rebels.

Yeah but it makes up for it by happily being obliterated. By me. HAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously though I have yet to lose to a single HWK list.

You haven't played me then. I'll go through your squad faster than my joke went over your head.....

OP does raise a valid point.

Try making a competitive Imperial list that isn't Palpmobile or RAC/Ace and then see how long that took you.

Then pick randomly, out of the options that the Rebels currently have and you're done in half the time.

Really? Do so without Poe, Corran, Dash, Han or R3-A2.

You rang?

Rookie Pilot

Biggs Darklighter

Wedge Antilles + R2-D2 + Draw Their Fire

Airen Cracken + Veteran Instincts

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Blue Squadron Pilot + Advanced Sensors

Blue Squadron Pilot + Advanced Sensors

Blue Squadron Pilot + Advanced Sensors

Bandit Squadron Pilot

Bandit Squadron Pilot

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Biggs Darklighter

Chewbacca + Draw Their Fire

Wedge Antilles + Swarm Tactics

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Blue Squadron Pilot + Fire-Control System

Blue Squadron Pilot + Fire-Control System

Roark Garnet + Blaster Turret + Chewbacca + Moldy Crow

Airen Cracken + Swarm Tactics

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Chewbacca + Predator + Gunner

Leebo + Heavy Laser Cannon + Predator + Outrider

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Prototype Pilot + Chardaan Refit

Prototype Pilot + Chardaan Refit

Blue Squadron Pilot

Blue Squadron Pilot + Fire-Control System

Blue Squadron Pilot + Fire-Control System

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etc.

While I do feel the OP is greatly exaggerating the issue from the sidelines (I play Scum with a bit of Rebels) it does seem to me the Empire players haven't had anything to REALLY look forward to in quite a while (since Palpatine got spoiled)

Not trying to be mean, but those are all far from top level squads. Most notably they all would be destroyed by Soontir and Whisper with their standart builds.

The power level of these squads is about the same as that of the average imperial list that is cobbeled together quickly. You can win a Store Champ with those things, but that depends on the area, player skill and luck. Above that it gets really difficult.

Now let me give you squads that I would be comfortable with taking on anything you came up with there:

• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!143:36,126,58,14,-1,-1,-1:-1:15:;10::-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:Redline + miniswarm. Not too reliable, but it can take down Biggs easily and still have firepower for more. Also has a hammer-anvil effect..
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!28:18:5:15:M.1;79:27,36,142:-1:9:;56:-1,-1,45,-1:-1:-1:Palpmobil is not the only shuttle that can be strong. This could probably be tweaked to include an initiative bid and be better, but this is a scary thing on the other side of the table.
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!49:126,-1,17,-1,24:-1:-1:;49:126,-1,17,-1,24:-1:-1:;49:126,-1,17,-1,24:-1:-1:;49:126,-1,17,-1,24:-1:-1:'Oh, TIE Bombers are so underpowered!' - nope wrong. Needs practice, but it is a lot more capable than you would guess on first glance. This one was invented by heychadwick, really good. Even single instances of these Bombers are good includes.
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!22:27,-1:23:3:U.124;70:27,-1,-1:-1:17:;179:18,153:-1:-1:Darth Vader obviously is the strongest ship here, but this looks good. Might change when we know more about the TAP.
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!144:71,126,-1,-1,-1,138,138:-1:-1:;79:27,36,21:-1:9:;181:27,-1:-1:-1:Again something that might change once we have the TAP, but Whisper alone is so strong and Deathrain helps against PS9+ opponents.
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!96:-1,21,45,61,-1:-1:-1:;49:126,-1,17,-1,24:-1:-1:;49:126,-1,17,-1,24:-1:-1:Vader gets to trigger twice. Nuff said.
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!71:57,-1,-1:-1:17:;76:36,61:-1:-1:;76:36,61:-1:-1:Phantoms do have 4 attack dice, almost forgot about that...
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!40:-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;40:-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;56:36,-1,61,21:-1:3:Imps also have the better Firespray generic most of the time. And the Lambda has even more uses!
• http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!70:27,23,73:-1:17:;71:57,23,53:-1:17:Dual Defenders might be the last thing anyone would expect to win easily, but a certain individual around here rocks them pretty well!

Are those enough lists for you? The empire has about as much "nice, but not quite there" lists as the rebels do. Don't fool yourself.

Everytime a new reble ship comes out I wonder what new negative in the game are they going to get to ignore, They have ships/pilots that ignore debris, ships that take stress turn it into a positive and can just get rid of it for no reason, they now have ships that can ignore the penalty of k turning because why not be able to k turn while stressed. It really seems that if you don't know how to fly or make choices that have consequences that Rebels are the faction for you.

We have a meta right now that is pretty much totally balanced and all 3 factions have a good number of competitive lists.

There are some fluff differences between them (which is really good), but for the first time ever we have more than 2 archetypes performing well.

And the Ghost will probaby not change that. Kanan crewmember is perhaps the most powerful of these additions, but need i remind you that the empire got the pinnacle of "ignoring" stuff with Palpatine... Who plain and simple ignores one dice roll per turn!

This makes me think you are just another one of those imperial bootlickers that thinks the only ships that need skill to be flown are Interceptors and Phantoms (that at their time nearly destroyed the whole game balance as an imperial ship)

So please, spare us this complete nonsense!

...need i remind you that the empire got the pinnacle of "ignoring" stuff with Palpatine... Who plain and simple ignores one dice roll per turn!

And who is also effective regardless of where he is, ignoring the whole positioning part of the game as well. Surprisingly (or perhaps not) this is never mentioned by those who believe maneuvering is the core of this game.

...need i remind you that the empire got the pinnacle of "ignoring" stuff with Palpatine... Who plain and simple ignores one dice roll per turn!

And who is also effective regardless of where he is, ignoring the whole positioning part of the game as well. Surprisingly (or perhaps not) this is never mentioned by those who believe maneuvering is the core of this game.

But this should not be an excuse to put especially imperial, because that's what i see yet again here, arc-dodging lists on a podium as the only list for skilled pilots to be flown! And then if they lose it's because of OP Rebel/Scum ships and equipment. Of course! What else?

Sorry but it's just not true. Even if you fly a list with only 360 arcs, you still need to know where your opponent will be to take full advantage. And that requires even more skill than to fly your own ships. Because you play a price tag on your turrets, and if you just do straight jousts you will lose against any non-turret list that is well made.

So if you fly your precious Arc-dodging lists and get tabled constantly i have a clue for you. It has nothing to do with Rebel, Imperial or Scum. It has to do with sound listbuilding, luck and most of all, SKILL. So maybe get gud and you will start winning!

Excuse my little ramble here but i am just sick of reading these bias yet again. Because they come flom plain ignorance!

I wonder what "unfollow this topic" will do...

*click*

too much baseless complaining, too little flying here.

Excuse my little ramble here but i am just sick of reading these bias yet again. Because they come flom plain ignorance!

Were you replying specifically to me? I was only agreeing that Imperials 'ignore' the game also. From time to time.

We have a meta right now that is pretty much totally balanced and all 3 factions have a good number of competitive lists.

There are some fluff differences between them (which is really good), but for the first time ever we have more than 2 archetypes performing well.

This isn't really true for Scum. There are only two top performing Scum lists (Brobots and 4xTLT), and they make up a small minority of top lists.

We have a meta right now that is pretty much totally balanced and all 3 factions have a good number of competitive lists.

There are some fluff differences between them (which is really good), but for the first time ever we have more than 2 archetypes performing well.

This isn't really true for Scum. There are only two top performing Scum lists (Brobots and 4xTLT), and they make up a small minority of top lists.

This. Scum did beyond terrible at Worlds (percentage wise, in Top 16 there were less than half the Scum lists that entered worlds).

Excuse my little ramble here but i am just sick of reading these bias yet again. Because they come flom plain ignorance!

Were you replying specifically to me? I was only agreeing that Imperials 'ignore' the game also. From time to time.

No, i totally agree with what you say actually.

man why are imperial players so **** angry all the time