The TLT *is* overpowered, which why over half the lists you see today use the **** thing and are successful with it. There is literally no downside to it and the only reason not to is through some combination of fair play, ethics, and/or boredom. That is the very definition of overpowered and to insist otherwise (or insist that FFG has any idea what balance really is) is delusional. X-Wing is good, but the fact that a couple overpowered cards are released every **** wave suggests that maybe FFG is (pardon the pun) winging it more than I'd like. I have found my interest in the game waning significantly over the past year and I doubt that will change any time soon. Cards like the TLT are a big reason why.

Whats the point of this thread?

TLT are not overpowered. They are predictable.

If you don't like PWT, and or TLT don't fly them.

End thread.

Translation: shhh the devs will hear!

TLTs do have one weakness, the dice.

Seriously I flew a Horton TLT and not get a single hit after 4 rounds of firing. It was called rolling focus results which Horton could not do anything with it.

The TLT *is* overpowered, which why over half the lists you see today use the **** thing and are successful with it. There is literally no downside to it and the only reason not to is through some combination of fair play, ethics, and/or boredom. That is the very definition of overpowered and to insist otherwise (or insist that FFG has any idea what balance really is) is delusional. X-Wing is good, but the fact that a couple overpowered cards are released every **** wave suggests that maybe FFG is (pardon the pun) winging it more than I'd like. I have found my interest in the game waning significantly over the past year and I doubt that will change any time soon. Cards like the TLT are a big reason why.

PTL is THE MOST OVERUSED EPT ever, EU was seen in like 90% lists of previous wave

But somehow there were no threads regarding them.

And nobody mentioned "ethics" or "fair play"

I'm not speaking of how epically non-boring *sarcasm tab rises* using a Boosting PWT or riding Whisper to glory was

and how EPICLY INTERESTING playing Vader\Fel is

there's a reason some people don't play Empre at all. Planning phase? Screw that, 2 hard turn roll-boost-troll!

The TLT *is* overpowered, which why over half the lists you see today use the **** thing and are successful with it. There is literally no downside to it and the only reason not to is through some combination of fair play, ethics, and/or boredom. That is the very definition of overpowered and to insist otherwise (or insist that FFG has any idea what balance really is) is delusional. X-Wing is good, but the fact that a couple overpowered cards are released every **** wave suggests that maybe FFG is (pardon the pun) winging it more than I'd like. I have found my interest in the game waning significantly over the past year and I doubt that will change any time soon. Cards like the TLT are a big reason why.

1.) It has to be a boderline OP, general purpose card to have an effect on the meta. What it pushed from the meta was much more annoying and dominant.

2.) You haven't played the game in my area, lol. For the past year 50-60% of the squads you'd face were Fat turret + ace or another turret, with some IG's thrown in on occasion. Last store championship the FLGS had ended up with 2 2400 + 1300 lists, and 2 Corran 1300 lists at the top table.

3.) I'm just going to blindly assert this, but I think you're just buttmad that you can no longer dice your way to the top with a 60 point fat turret.

I don't enjoy playing TLT Ys but I bear them no ill will. I don't think they were a mistake or sloppy design, I just don't enjoy playing them. I know what I like and I stick to it.

But I do enjoy the challenge of playing against them. You have to really use the geometry of the game to attack them from the right distances at the right time. It's an interesting challenge. They're also easy to game plan against because they are very consistent. If you're lining up across from an ace ship you know a bad round of dice can kill it for you. You don't plan for that, but you know it's possible.

When you line up across from TLTs you can assume the amount they'll contribute pretty accurately. They're a known quantity so they're easy to predict.

I haven't been to this forum in months and its still the same handful of whiners dominating this forum.

TLT's?! I hate Soontir Fel. My last tournament, I flew against him in 4 CONSECUTIVE MATCHES. And he was kitted out in the SAME WAY. Sooooooo boring. I just wanted to die.

Good grief. There is a lot of whining in this forum.

I used this list in a tournie today

Palob- TLT

2 Thugs- TLTs, unhinged Astromechs

2 pirates.

Had loads of fun with it. I love TLTs. Such a great way to spend 50pts that you can do alot of fun stuff with the other 50. We're seeing Y-wings and Hwks on the board aswell as loads more ships. They've even made the nerfed phantom a little bit better so long as you put sensor Jammer on it. I think that's what makes it different from the Phantom which made, not only, several ships pointless but entire also levels of pilot skill. The threat of TLT means you can actually put PS3 and 4 in your list for something more than nerfing predator.

I haven't been to this forum in months and its still the same handful of whiners dominating this forum.

The TLT *is* overpowered, which why over half the lists you see today use the **** thing and are successful with it. There is literally no downside to it and the only reason not to is through some combination of fair play, ethics, and/or boredom. That is the very definition of overpowered and to insist otherwise (or insist that FFG has any idea what balance really is) is delusional. X-Wing is good, but the fact that a couple overpowered cards are released every **** wave suggests that maybe FFG is (pardon the pun) winging it more than I'd like. I have found my interest in the game waning significantly over the past year and I doubt that will change any time soon. Cards like the TLT are a big reason why.

PTL is THE MOST OVERUSED EPT ever, EU was seen in like 90% lists of previous wave

But somehow there were no threads regarding them.

And nobody mentioned "ethics" or "fair play"

I'm not speaking of how epically non-boring *sarcasm tab rises* using a Boosting PWT or riding Whisper to glory was

and how EPICLY INTERESTING playing Vader\Fel is

there's a reason some people don't play Empre at all. Planning phase? Screw that, 2 hard turn roll-boost-troll!

There has been few on PTL not to mention several threads about nerfing boost on large ships which is directly caused by Engine Upgrade. But you are correct. Playing Arc dodgers is much easier and not all that complex despite what the turret haters may claim.

I know some will disagree but after attending a local tournament I witnessed how lethal 3 kwings with tlts can be. In the hands of a decent player they destroyed everyone in a 13 man tournament. Nobody could touch those elusive ships.