Triumphent Returns!

By Tailsgod, in X-Wing

The Rebels thread and my reading of the new Star Wars books and Thrawn books had me thinking,

The canon is in constant flux right now

And literally hundreds of characters have been dropped from existence or abandoned without a second thought

Corran

Piggy

Tycho

Garven Dreiss

Mara Jade

Talonn Cardde

Soontir Fel

Pellian

Isaard

And Thrawn have all been cast aside in favor of new characters

Some cool, others not so cool

But with the flow of canon being the way it is

What character do you think have the possibility of making a Triumphent return into the canon

Small or large doesn't matter

Who will return to cheers and who will be left in the wastes

Personally I think most of rogue squadron can always come back with just a little name drop here or there (rogue squadron itself being in the canon edges)

So here's hoping to Tycho (and hopefully winter) coming back

The other pilots are less likely

Han and leia's kids : unlikely

but....

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

The fleet admiral at the end of aftermath seems an awful lot like Thrawn which makes me think the reason why he is shrouded in mystery is that the new movie will somehow reveal his existence in the canon, either by him being still alive, or a story from the past that the heroes barely survived

I also think that Rey is Luke's daughter which opens the Mara possibility up... But i am just hopeful....

END OF SPOILERS

anyway what do you guys think

Any characters making a comeback?

Or should any of them even come back at all?

New canon means new possibilities and why should we limit those to the old stories

Thrawn may be gone but a new villain could be on the horizon to match him

(Pardon for the misspellings, wrote this on phone)

Edited by Tailsgod

I prefer to think of the Star Wars prequels as the insane ramblings of a lunatic rather than factual events.

Like, Luke took some Jedi peyote and the Prequels is what he saw while slumming a sex holiday on Nar Shadda.

Not to be too pessimistic, but I doubt it. I just finished Aftermath today actually, and while I wanted to like it, I tried to like it, I just couldn't. It was just so.... Cliche, and poorly written. And while I would love for the mysterious villain to be Thrawn it just doesn't feel like him to me. I remain hopeful that they will be Thrawn and others back into canon (although really I would satisfied if they just gave me Thrawn as a Commander in Armada with an awesome ability) I don't think that this is the way they will do it.

Hate to break it to you but Disney owns Star Wars. Rebels is cannon because the mouse made it as for the Thrawn books well the mouse had nothing to do with them so they are not cannon.

My favorite EU character was Pellaeon; he was the "real guy" in a world of super geniuses and wizards, like Watson or Agent Coulson, and being the real guy I found him more relatable. Plus he was a antagonist "real guy" which is very rare in stories, period.

So to get him first we'd have to get a Thrawn of some sort, and then it'd need to be a Thrawn that was faithful enough to the original to have a Pellaeon with him.

Hate to break it to you but Disney owns Star Wars. Rebels is cannon because the mouse made it as for the Thrawn books well the mouse had nothing to do with them so they are not cannon.

This is only relevant if you were in the first place one of the people who stuck precisely to what used to be canon/EU/etc.

It was always necessary to be picky.

Cannon is what happens on my dining room table.

In Canon, Darth Vader destroyed Luke's X-wing in an asteroid field and then went on to be shot down by some random Y-wing.

Well rest assured Garven, as red leader at Battle of Yavin, is very much Canon.

*nerd snort*

Well rest assured Garven, as red leader at Battle of Yavin, is very much Canon.

*nerd snort*

Who's Garven? You don't mean Red Leader do you? There's a rumor he once flew with Anakin Skywalker back in the day but surely that is just a Legend. To bad we may never know his name...

And literally hundreds of characters have been dropped from existence or abandoned without a second thought

That is just silly, I think many, many hours have gone into the decision how to proceed with the unholy mess that was the EU, with its five (five? could be four, maybe six) different levels of canonicity and multiple layers of trash.

I also think they've taken the smart course, clean slate with the possibility to take from Legends what they like.

Well rest assured Garven, as red leader at Battle of Yavin, is very much Canon.

*nerd snort*

Who's Garven? You don't mean Red Leader do you? There's a rumor he once flew with Anakin Skywalker back in the day but surely that is just a Legend. To bad we may never know his name...

I'm fairly sure he's credited as 'Garven Dreis' in ANH, just as the other Red Squadron pilots are.

I'm fairly sure he's credited as 'Garven Dreis' in ANH, just as the other Red Squadron pilots are.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0377120/

Red Leader.

--edit--

That sounded a bit snooty, thanks to being at work and being interrupted.

I was surprised myself with this. I was even more surprised to find that there are no X-Wing pilots other than Luke in the Kenner action figures line-up :o

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Poor John D, he exists on the outskirts of canon by actually appearing in ANH and having a real name in the credits and still isn't a pilot in this game, yet we have Talobane Cobra.

Awesome.

Or and Zev Senesca and poor Dak (Luke's gunner)... Oh well.

I'm fairly sure he's credited as 'Garven Dreis' in ANH, just as the other Red Squadron pilots are.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0377120/

Red Leader.

--edit--

That sounded a bit snooty, thanks to being at work and being interrupted.

I was surprised myself with this. I was even more surprised to find that there are no X-Wing pilots other than Luke in the Kenner action figures line-up :o

Ah, that's confusing. All the other Pilots are credited with their names, like John D and Porkins.

EDIT: Hold on, he's referred to as Garven Dreis in the Starwars.com Databank

So now what?

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Dutch Vander isn't canon either; his name is actually Hutch.

I don't mind it if the characters from the Zahn novels are ignored. After reading the first three I was very unimpressed.

Tiree, Pops, the rebel Y-wings need you. And EPTs.

(Yeah it does sound like he's saying 'lost Harry, lost Hutch' but it was Dutch)

Is the Star Wars databank 'canon'? I hope not, they have the worst kind of non-researched crap, regurgitating what ever some author of 'tech writer' vomited onto a page.

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I assume that admiral is either Snoke or dead by episode 7.

I would like to point out that I actually agree with the dropping of the eu

It was a mess and needed to be reset

I just am talking about possible characters that may make an appearance

I know that Disney owns Star Wars but Disney also owns marvel and they certainly didn't hesitate bringing killgrave into Jessica jones and other characters so I'm not on board with the

Disney will only allow their characters to exist

Or Disney will only allow family friendly characters to exist

Arguments

Finally

I also didn't like aftermath

It was poorly written but the fleet admiral at the end has lines very similar to Thrawn when Thrawn first appeared

So hopeful lol

Winter could be a really good upgrade card. We'll have to see what has happened with the children, but hopefully some of these supporting cast characters that were there so long are giving consistency rewrites and added in.

The EU was a giant steaming pile that only got bigger and stinkier with each try to 'fix' it. Even if it was covered in gold and febreezed with the best febreeze ever it would still be a golden turd. Maybe if you wanna go mining you can save the better bits of it but the cleanest thing to do is flush it. And then go get the plunger cause it's not all gonna go down in one try.

Man that's one extended poop metaphor.

I really enjoyed the EU as a general setting until the Vong. Anything after that is just a giant mess as far as I'm concerned.

Garven Dreis as Red Leader is canon. Anything in the Star Wars Databank on the official site (which he is) is canon (as references outside of canon but on the website sport the "Legends" banner and aren't included in Databank entries). For that matter, Jek "Piggy" Porkins is also credited alongside Jon "Dutch" Vander. All canon.

I think Isard and Karrde have potential to return in the Rebels series or a movie/book set during the Rebellion era or immediate post-Endor era. The pilots could easily be name dropped in Rogue One. I'd love to see Soontir Fel or someone similar (skilled, feared TIE pilot) in Rogue One.

I wonder if Disney will eventually do a re-imagining of the Thrawn trilogy either animated in Rebels or as a spin-off movie. Thrawn is such a popular villain; he's bound to cameo somewhere at the least.

Isard stands a good chance of getting some screen time in Rogue One. They've already confirmed that the Shadow Troopers are in it. When you combine that with the fact they stealing the Death Star plans it seems likely she might be in it, as they are pulling from Legends sources in the background.

Ok so Disney does consider the Databank as canon. At least that answers that I suppose. I guess Porkins loses his 'Tano' middle name. And no Tan Skywalker or Tan Stele. Bummer.

Seeing that the databank can change, as a virtual document, anything on it seems susceptible to change at any moment.