Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

Its easy. Ask yourself that question and write here your thoughts about that.

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

But seriously... post your thoughts please.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

The debate, insults aside, boils down to some people finding him immersion breaking because, to us, it doesn't make sense for a small rebel team like we're talking about to encounter him, others either don't think he'd be immersion breaking or aren't particularly bothered by the prospect.

The other smaller issues are if it's plausible that he would be released in a manner that would allow people to not have him appear in campaigns without missing out on anything else and the difficulties of making a good figure for him.

ahem.....this thread, in the beginning, was interesting. Both sides of the tracks exchanging thoughts and ideas. Now its turned into a rock fight with flaming and BS,ultimately tiresome....and ultimately moot....this subject matter does not exist.(palpatine), and probably never will in this game as a playable figure. Perhaps as a minor buff with a mission or some such(only ffg knows)lets not revert to insults......move along, nothing to see here...

ahem.....this thread, in the beginning, was interesting. Both sides of the tracks exchanging thoughts and ideas. Now its turned into a rock fight with flaming and BS,ultimately tiresome....and ultimately moot....this subject matter does not exist.(palpatine), and probably never will in this game as a playable figure. Perhaps as a minor buff with a mission or some such(only ffg knows)lets not revert to insults......move along, nothing to see here...

Comments like yours are the kind that continue to throw rocks. Saying something will never be made to the camp that wants it is just lighting the fire. Leave that to patrick it's all he does.

Sorry, but I hope we never see the Emperor as a figure. It is already silly enough to see generals charging into battle (should be a lower rank).

Star Wars is all about sending their generals to lead the fight. General Solo, General Calrissian, General Skywalker, General Kenobi...

General Veers

ahem.....this thread, in the beginning, was interesting. Both sides of the tracks exchanging thoughts and ideas. Now its turned into a rock fight with flaming and BS,ultimately tiresome....and ultimately moot....this subject matter does not exist.(palpatine), and probably never will in this game as a playable figure. Perhaps as a minor buff with a mission or some such(only ffg knows)lets not revert to insults......move along, nothing to see here...

Comments like yours are the kind that continue to throw rocks. Saying something will never be made to the camp that wants it is just lighting the fire. Leave that to patrick it's all he does.

For someone (supposedly) ignoring me you sure do pay attention a lot to what I say.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

ahem.....this thread, in the beginning, was interesting. Both sides of the tracks exchanging thoughts and ideas. Now its turned into a rock fight with flaming and BS,ultimately tiresome....and ultimately moot....this subject matter does not exist.(palpatine), and probably never will in this game as a playable figure. Perhaps as a minor buff with a mission or some such(only ffg knows)lets not revert to insults......move along, nothing to see here...

Comments like yours are the kind that continue to throw rocks. Saying something will never be made to the camp that wants it is just lighting the fire. Leave that to patrick it's all he does.

For someone (supposedly) ignoring me you sure do pay attention a lot to what I say.

Unfortunately whens someone quotes you it still shows up, also when you quote me I get a notification.

Also for someone who's not a complete asswipe you keep trying to taunt me, I'll just keep doing it back until you figure it out.

ahem.....this thread, in the beginning, was interesting. Both sides of the tracks exchanging thoughts and ideas. Now its turned into a rock fight with flaming and BS,ultimately tiresome....and ultimately moot....this subject matter does not exist.(palpatine), and probably never will in this game as a playable figure. Perhaps as a minor buff with a mission or some such(only ffg knows)lets not revert to insults......move along, nothing to see here...

Comments like yours are the kind that continue to throw rocks. Saying something will never be made to the camp that wants it is just lighting the fire. Leave that to patrick it's all he does.

For someone (supposedly) ignoring me you sure do pay attention a lot to what I say.

Unfortunately whens someone quotes you it still shows up, also when you quote me I get a notification.

Also for someone who's not a complete asswipe you keep trying to taunt me, I'll just keep doing it back until you figure it out.

Ah I see. So you admit you don't have the self control to just ignore me yourself. I'm glad you still care about me.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

You could but you didnt said yet. So how do you know?

Really!? Then you need glasses (that explains why you dont understand the metaphors I wrote before) because I never called "the 'naysayers' trolls". I just made perfectly supported and valid arguments against "the 'naysayers'" ideas/opinions.

You dont have any more valid arguments to this topic and keep throwing random useless words just to try to be on this discussion like you did quoting KennedyHawk about not ignoring you or that reply you wrote to my post just now...

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

You could but you didnt said yet. So how do you know?

Really!? Then you need glasses (that explains why you dont understand the metaphors I wrote before) because I never called "the 'naysayers' trolls". I just made perfectly supported and valid arguments against "the 'naysayers'".

You dont have any more valid arguments to this topic and keep throwing random useless words just to try to be on this discussion like you did quoting KennedyHawk about not ignoring you or that reply you wrote to my post just now...

Wow that is some terrible logic you have there. So just because I didn't say something yet, means that I will say it later? I sure hope that logic of yours doesn't apply to things like thievery or murder... else we should all be in jail.

You're the one who needs glasses. I didn't say you specifically called people trolls. But other 'palpatine supporters' have called the 'naysayers' trolls.

I brought up plenty of valid arguments. You just choose to ignore/deny all of them with the same nonsense. As for kennedyhawk, I have a right to defend myself against his accusations, just like I now have to with you.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

You could but you didnt said yet. So how do you know?

Really!? Then you need glasses (that explains why you dont understand the metaphors I wrote before) because I never called "the 'naysayers' trolls". I just made perfectly supported and valid arguments against "the 'naysayers'".

You dont have any more valid arguments to this topic and keep throwing random useless words just to try to be on this discussion like you did quoting KennedyHawk about not ignoring you or that reply you wrote to my post just now...

Wow that is some terrible logic you have there. So just because I didn't say something yet, means that I will say it later? I sure hope that logic of yours doesn't apply to things like thievery or murder... else we should all be in jail.

You're the one who needs glasses. I didn't say you specifically called people trolls. But other 'palpatine supporters' have called the 'naysayers' trolls.

I brought up plenty of valid arguments. You just choose to ignore/deny all of them with the same nonsense. As for kennedyhawk, I have a right to defend myself against his accusations.

BWAHAHAH... that was the best one yet.

You brought plenty of valid arguments!?!?!? Whats plenty for you? one? two... at the most.... it seems. And I perfectly countered them without reading any other comments with valid arguments from you. In fact all your posts since then are that nonsense you just wrote (mixing logic with thievery and murder and jail in an Empiror Palpatine figure topic forum discussion).

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

You could but you didnt said yet. So how do you know?

Really!? Then you need glasses (that explains why you dont understand the metaphors I wrote before) because I never called "the 'naysayers' trolls". I just made perfectly supported and valid arguments against "the 'naysayers'".

You dont have any more valid arguments to this topic and keep throwing random useless words just to try to be on this discussion like you did quoting KennedyHawk about not ignoring you or that reply you wrote to my post just now...

Wow that is some terrible logic you have there. So just because I didn't say something yet, means that I will say it later? I sure hope that logic of yours doesn't apply to things like thievery or murder... else we should all be in jail.

You're the one who needs glasses. I didn't say you specifically called people trolls. But other 'palpatine supporters' have called the 'naysayers' trolls.

I brought up plenty of valid arguments. You just choose to ignore/deny all of them with the same nonsense. As for kennedyhawk, I have a right to defend myself against his accusations.

BWAHAHAH... that was the best one yet.

You brought plenty of valid arguments!?!?!? Whats plenty for you? one? two... at the most.... it seems. And I perfectly countered them without reading any other comments with valid arguments from you. In fact all your posts since then are that nonsense you just wrote (mixing logic with thievery and murder and jail in an Empiror Palpatine figure topic forum discussion).

Wow, good job completely missing the point. Once again.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

You could but you didnt said yet. So how do you know?

Really!? Then you need glasses (that explains why you dont understand the metaphors I wrote before) because I never called "the 'naysayers' trolls". I just made perfectly supported and valid arguments against "the 'naysayers'".

You dont have any more valid arguments to this topic and keep throwing random useless words just to try to be on this discussion like you did quoting KennedyHawk about not ignoring you or that reply you wrote to my post just now...

Wow that is some terrible logic you have there. So just because I didn't say something yet, means that I will say it later? I sure hope that logic of yours doesn't apply to things like thievery or murder... else we should all be in jail.

You're the one who needs glasses. I didn't say you specifically called people trolls. But other 'palpatine supporters' have called the 'naysayers' trolls.

I brought up plenty of valid arguments. You just choose to ignore/deny all of them with the same nonsense. As for kennedyhawk, I have a right to defend myself against his accusations.

BWAHAHAH... that was the best one yet.

You brought plenty of valid arguments!?!?!? Whats plenty for you? one? two... at the most.... it seems. And I perfectly countered them without reading any other comments with valid arguments from you. In fact all your posts since then are that nonsense you just wrote (mixing logic with thievery and murder and jail in an Empiror Palpatine figure topic forum discussion).

Wow, good job completely missing the point. Once again.

Yes you really did. Congrats. Again.

Youre the one that wrote "an expansion that clearly people are against" (have you made a poll?) yet you only have a couple of guys agreeing with you (thats "clearly people against" right?) and you even think that having generals is too much to have in the game and which no one else here agrees. And right now you wrote having "brought plenty of valid arguments" (one? two?) yet you missed my question. Thats really missing the point... by a mile... at least.

Holy crap there's enough salt here to give me high blood pressure. Wow! It's getting pretty hard to dive through the murky depths of insults and accusations, so could someone kindly lay out the main viewpoints on "Should Palpatine be a figure?" in a hopefully non opinionated manner?

If you say "yes" someone from the "no" faction will point your devilish ways. If you say "no" someone from the "no" faction will tap you on the back.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

You could but you didnt said yet. So how do you know?

Really!? Then you need glasses (that explains why you dont understand the metaphors I wrote before) because I never called "the 'naysayers' trolls". I just made perfectly supported and valid arguments against "the 'naysayers'".

You dont have any more valid arguments to this topic and keep throwing random useless words just to try to be on this discussion like you did quoting KennedyHawk about not ignoring you or that reply you wrote to my post just now...

Wow that is some terrible logic you have there. So just because I didn't say something yet, means that I will say it later? I sure hope that logic of yours doesn't apply to things like thievery or murder... else we should all be in jail.

You're the one who needs glasses. I didn't say you specifically called people trolls. But other 'palpatine supporters' have called the 'naysayers' trolls.

I brought up plenty of valid arguments. You just choose to ignore/deny all of them with the same nonsense. As for kennedyhawk, I have a right to defend myself against his accusations.

BWAHAHAH... that was the best one yet.

You brought plenty of valid arguments!?!?!? Whats plenty for you? one? two... at the most.... it seems. And I perfectly countered them without reading any other comments with valid arguments from you. In fact all your posts since then are that nonsense you just wrote (mixing logic with thievery and murder and jail in an Empiror Palpatine figure topic forum discussion).

Wow, good job completely missing the point. Once again.

Yes you really did. Congrats. Again.

Youre the one that wrote "an expansion that clearly people are against" (have you made a poll?) yet you only have a couple of guys agreeing with you (thats "clearly people against" right?) and you even think that having generals is too much to have in the game and which no one else here agrees. And right now you wrote having "brought plenty of valid arguments" (one? two?) yet you missed my question. Thats really missing the point... by a mile... at least.

Jeeze you are so dense...

If people weren't against a palpatine expansion then we wouldn't be having this argument at all. Here, let me link you to a dictionary so you know what the definition of 'people' is.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/people

Number 1: Right there.

Nowhere did I say 'everyone' doesn't want a Palpatine expansion. I said 'clearly there are people who don't want a palpatine expansion.'

Please learn English.

Its going vice versa as well, pal.

No it isnt... pal. Thats 3 times in a row... must be a record. Again you really need to read that link about metaphors. Youre welcome.

I don't ever remember saying 'Thank you'.

Anyways, I've seen just as many people call the 'naysayers' trolls and etc. And pat the 'palpatine supporters' on the back.

See, this is the problem discussing anything with you. You just deny everything. I could say "You're a human being" and you'd just deny it.

You could but you didnt said yet. So how do you know?

Really!? Then you need glasses (that explains why you dont understand the metaphors I wrote before) because I never called "the 'naysayers' trolls". I just made perfectly supported and valid arguments against "the 'naysayers'".

You dont have any more valid arguments to this topic and keep throwing random useless words just to try to be on this discussion like you did quoting KennedyHawk about not ignoring you or that reply you wrote to my post just now...

Wow that is some terrible logic you have there. So just because I didn't say something yet, means that I will say it later? I sure hope that logic of yours doesn't apply to things like thievery or murder... else we should all be in jail.

You're the one who needs glasses. I didn't say you specifically called people trolls. But other 'palpatine supporters' have called the 'naysayers' trolls.

I brought up plenty of valid arguments. You just choose to ignore/deny all of them with the same nonsense. As for kennedyhawk, I have a right to defend myself against his accusations.

BWAHAHAH... that was the best one yet.

You brought plenty of valid arguments!?!?!? Whats plenty for you? one? two... at the most.... it seems. And I perfectly countered them without reading any other comments with valid arguments from you. In fact all your posts since then are that nonsense you just wrote (mixing logic with thievery and murder and jail in an Empiror Palpatine figure topic forum discussion).

Wow, good job completely missing the point. Once again.

Yes you really did. Congrats. Again.

Youre the one that wrote "an expansion that clearly people are against" (have you made a poll?) yet you only have a couple of guys agreeing with you (thats "clearly people against" right?) and you even think that having generals is too much to have in the game and which no one else here agrees. And right now you wrote having "brought plenty of valid arguments" (one? two?) yet you missed my question. Thats really missing the point... by a mile... at least.

Jeeze you are so dense...

If people weren't against a palpatine expansion then we wouldn't be having this argument at all. Here, let me link you to a dictionary so you know what the definition of 'people' is.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/people

Number 1: Right there.

Nowhere did I say 'everyone' doesn't want a Palpatine expansion. I said 'clearly there are people who don't want a palpatine expansion.'

Please learn English.

Jeeze you are so deceitful... more sand to the eyes (hey look... another metaphor right there... be careful... its in english).

Nowhere i wrote that you said 'everyone'... prove it!

Seems you need that. Not me.

You should be ashamed of posting nonsense (though you provide very good laughs with that) instead of replying to my questions or changing the meaning of them regarding this topic to suit your babbling.

Ill write again just in case you want to stop babbling and reply seriously about the topic (which I doubt):

"an expansion that clearly people are against" - have you made a poll? how many people in that poll? Only read Sam and Norgrath supporting this (and even Norgrath admits that if its made in a way that doesnt "damages his gaming experience" in campaign mode he doesnt mind) in around a dozen users posting here.

"having generals is too much to have in the game" - Show me one comment here that supported your opinion on this!

"brought plenty of valid arguments" - So... lets see those plenty of valid arguments!

I can't argue with you when you don't even understand the language you and I are speaking. I'd have better luck discussing this with my cat.

I can't argue with you when you don't even understand the language you and I are speaking. I'd have better luck discussing this with my cat.

And you did it again. Congrats.

Im sure you would. You both would understand about sand.

Stepping back into this because I remembered an issue that hasn't been discussed (Patrick briefly touched on it but barely).

It's not a case of releasing Palpatine or not releasing him; time spent developing Palpatine could be spent on developing something else.

I want a Palpatine figure.

Stepping back into this because I remembered an issue that hasn't been discussed (Patrick briefly touched on it but barely).

It's not a case of releasing Palpatine or not releasing him; time spent developing Palpatine could be spent on developing something else.

But why is it more important to spend time developing someone else other than one of the main badies from the entire saga (thus far)?

I could easily say time spent developing something else could be time not spent developing Palpatine. That doesn't make it right.

Stepping back into this because I remembered an issue that hasn't been discussed (Patrick briefly touched on it but barely).

It's not a case of releasing Palpatine or not releasing him; time spent developing Palpatine could be spent on developing something else.

But why is it more important to spend time developing someone else other than one of the main badies from the entire saga (thus far)?

I could easily say time spent developing something else could be time not spent developing Palpatine. That doesn't make it right.

This is more to counteract claims of "saying you don't want Palpatine in the game is selfish because you're taking it away from everyone else" (not actually quoting); the reason I and others don't want the time spent on him is we'd find him immersion breaking.

Stepping back into this because I remembered an issue that hasn't been discussed (Patrick briefly touched on it but barely).

It's not a case of releasing Palpatine or not releasing him; time spent developing Palpatine could be spent on developing something else.

So now were going to recicle already discussed issues because they were barely touched.

Ok. Ill recicle my reply and add something more...

My reply on that was "The way you write seems like FFG only have one IA game designer in part-time..."

Now Ill add that Im sure FFG knows how to manage the time their game designers have (of IA in this case) or they wouldnt be so successful in this business (if they wanted players opinion they would make a customers poll right? - "hey guys what figures you would like to see in IA for the next X years - pick y characters" ).

If youre not the owner dont worry about that. Sometimes those same game designers go well beyond their duty and even do much design in their own spare time. Also you dont know what steps they take for the alloted time.

Maybe that deveploment is already done maybe not... but im sure they explore every option. Its a business. Get over it.