Yes, exactly. I want all the characters. I want access to all of them.

Just ignore/block the grumpy trolls, its not even worth acknowledging them.

I want to see all the characters for this game. I imagine that they will do force awakened characters too.

Haha wow. Sorry I actually care about the integrity of Star Wars.

It's possible you could come off as less hostile. I have you blocked but it doesn't block other people from quoting you. I'd like to see a postivie board experiance and not flames and trolls every times I come here.

I will have to figure out how to block hate trolls on this site i guess.

IG-88 was first wave and his name wasn't even said in the movies so i am confident that they will make their way to the Emperor. Perhaps more of the named imperial officers as well.

Theres more to Star Wars then just the movies you know, unless you also didn't notice the Royal Guard Champion. Oh and the HKs in the next expansion. Both of those are the old EU which FFG has shown they are willing to pull from for material.

Notice how none of those are Imperial generals and one is even a jedi. Most of those people you listed as 'examples' are General only in title, not profession. Unless you mean to tell me that Skywalker and Lando went to military school off camera. Han used to be an imperial, but he was never a general in the Empire. Meanwhile, actual Generals like Dodonna, Reikan, Crix Madine did what an actual general would do... stay at HQ and order their forces from safety.

And don't cite General Veers. Commanding an AT-AT on Hoth is hardly equal to General Sorin getting deployed on foot in IA. Weiss in his AT-ST is a LITTLE believable.... but Sorin's situation is a complete joke and suicidal.

To be fair, there is real-world precedent. If you'll remember, the Empire is patterned off of the German army of WWII. It just so happens that there are a few examples of German Generals leading from the front, the most noteworthy being General Hermann Balck. He was a brilliant strategist, but more importantly, often lead from the front to ensure that he was able to quickly adapt to all situations. In three short weeks his lone panzer division virtually destroyed the entire Soviet Fifth Tank Army in Stalingrad. The odds he faced were scarcely short of incredible: the Soviets commanded a local superiority of 7:1 in tanks, 11:1 in infantry, and 20:1 in artillery. But Balck, leading from the front, reacting instantly to each enemy thrust, repeatedly parried, surprised, and wiped out superior Soviet detachments. Over the next few months his division would rack up an astonishing one thousand enemy tank kills. For this and other achievements Balck would be one of only twenty-seven officers in the entire war—Erwin Rommel was another—to receive the Knight’s Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds, the equivalent of an American receiving two, or even three, Medals of Honor.

Ok, that is fair and I'd say that is the equivalent of General Weiss and General Veers. But General Sorin walking around without any protection besides body armor is still silly. I know the theme of Sorin is that he is directing artillery to attack, but (unless RtH has some MASSIVE maps) the maps in IA are far too small for such a thing.

I haven't tried using Sorin yet, he didn't impress me at first glance. Havn't tried hard to use him though, so its possible there is some synergy there that i haven't discovered yet.

Do we really care all that much about flavor? You could 'ban' almost all of the skirmish missions on those grounds.

Things have to be thematic - sure. But for me, if it's the choice between getting to play with all the awesome characters that the SW universe can provide and comprehensive flavor wins, then I vote for more toys.

Considering they have an actual story (as weak as it is) in campaign mode, I hope you would care about flavor. It's already dumb enough that the Empire has Tusken Raiders (and soon) Wampas fighting for them. Tossing in the Emperor as a combat unit is just adding fuel to the fire.

Just ignore/block the grumpy trolls, its not even worth acknowledging them.

I want to see all the characters for this game. I imagine that they will do force awakened characters too.

Haha wow. Sorry I actually care about the integrity of Star Wars.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll see the Emperor playable some day. FFG doesn't seem to give a crap about the lore either.

I care about Star Wars too. So much so that I actually want awesome characters like Emperor Palpatine, Obi-Wan, Yoda etc in the star wars games that I play.

Are you genuinely saying you DON'T want access to those characters?

Obi-wan and Yoda were in hiding during the Imperial Occupation, except for A new hope obviously. So that pretty much cuts them out. I already stated why Emperor Palpatine would be silly. Even Diala Passil breaks the canon significantly by showing that apparently the rebels already had a jedi... really downgrades Luke (and later Leia).

I'd much rather see them throw in EU characters like Mara Jade that actually make sense to be on the battlefield.

Do we really care all that much about flavor? You could 'ban' almost all of the skirmish missions on those grounds.

Speaking for myself, absolutely.

Palpatine is awesome not because he shoots lightning from his fingers but because he convinced the galaxy to hand itself to him, he has better things to do than pick fights with insignificant insurgents. I honestly feel including him here only undermines him.

I agree with why you think he is awesome, which is why he should definately be in this game.

It's not like he needs to be in every mission. You could have him in the campaign as a final baddie who escapes (as someone said above) when defeated, just don't give him an agenda mission that allows him in the game.

They could do something similar to diala's mission as well where he is just an illusion, maybe an Agenda card that allows this. Spend 1 influene to get Palpy. When he is damaged a 2nd time his illusion shatters and he is removed from the field.

It's not like Skirmish is thematic anyway so I'm not concerned there.

Right exactly. Good point.

IA is far more focused on campaign than skirmish, sorry but it is true. Skirmish is just an afterthought and to increase sales. With your idea for Palpatine only appearing in ONE mission, it'd be a waste plastic and a villian spot that could be used for someone more involved.

But like I said before, it's only inevitable till we see Emperor Palpatine as a figure... FFG has shown it doesn't understand Star Wars or doesn't care by having Tusken Raiders and Wampas fight alongside Imperials. We SHOULDN'T get Palpatine.... but we will.

But like I said before, it's only inevitable till we see Emperor Palpatine as a figure... FFG has shown it doesn't understand Star Wars or doesn't care by having Tusken Raiders and Wampas fight alongside Imperials. We SHOULDN'T get Palpatine.... but we will.

I disagree here actually, I can buy the wampa and tuskens in the campaign as hazards that are semi independent of the empire. Palpatine is a different kettle of fish (and if you want him for a one mission thing he works better as a mission rule). FFG seems at least to have some intent to keep uniques that shouldn't be in the game out of the game (otherwise I think we'd already have obi-wan).

And let me re-iterate: Palpatine is LESS COOL when he's fighting.

There are layers of narrative. There are those who decide the things, those who do the things, and those who respond to what was done.

The original Star Wars was firmly in the third layer, with enough of the second layer to keep things moving. Its the story of a rebel agent captured and rescued by a farmer, an old wizard, and a smuggler. Vader was in the second layer, acting in the will of the Emperor alongside Tarkin.

This is where Star Wars is best, on the ground. One of the worst problems with the prequels is it is lodged firmly in the first two layers, with archmages and emperors running around deciding things and generals and kings doing things.

Imperial Assault is ground level, with little people doing the little things that add up in the end. It is not the place for gods and kings. FFG has shown admirable restraint so far, but releasing figures like Yoda or Palpatine would reek of gimmickry, and have as much place in this game as the God-Emperor personally showing up in a game of Space Hulk.

IA is far more focused on campaign than skirmish, sorry but it is true. Skirmish is just an afterthought and to increase sales. With your idea for Palpatine only appearing in ONE mission, it'd be a waste plastic and a villian spot that could be used for someone more involved.

But like I said before, it's only inevitable till we see Emperor Palpatine as a figure... FFG has shown it doesn't understand Star Wars or doesn't care by having Tusken Raiders and Wampas fight alongside Imperials. We SHOULDN'T get Palpatine.... but we will.

Too bad I explained right in my post that he could be used in other missions as well just maybe not to full effect to keep things balanced.

Thanks for commenting and putting down everything that isn't your idea as usual, Patrick.

IA is far more focused on campaign than skirmish, sorry but it is true. Skirmish is just an afterthought and to increase sales. With your idea for Palpatine only appearing in ONE mission, it'd be a waste plastic and a villian spot that could be used for someone more involved.

But like I said before, it's only inevitable till we see Emperor Palpatine as a figure... FFG has shown it doesn't understand Star Wars or doesn't care by having Tusken Raiders and Wampas fight alongside Imperials. We SHOULDN'T get Palpatine.... but we will.

Too bad I explained right in my post that he could be used in other missions as well just maybe not to full effect to keep things balanced.

Thanks for commenting and putting down everything that isn't your idea as usual, Patrick.

I thought you had me on ignore. Glad you still care about me though.

If he is available those of us who want to use it can, and those that don't want to use it don't have to. I do agree that part of the Emperor's style is that he is so powerful when he is NOT fighting. I did not think of it that way, but you are right. Perhaps if he just sat in his chair and influenced others in that sort of theme would be cool. Rather than cooking fools with lightning.

As far as whiners go, just ignore them. They will whine regardless other factors so who cares about them, just let them whine to themselves in a corner. Alone.

If he is available those of us who want to use it can, and those that don't want to use it don't have to.

Unfortunately this isn't actually the case (well, not without undesireable consequences); if he appears in a campaign then anyone who'd rather not have him involved needs to skip that entire campaign (as noted earlier skirmish is not the main focus of FFG so a skirmish only version is wildly unlikely).

Nah, i play the campaign too. You would just set up the campaign excluding the missions including the Emperor. This will become easier as expansions are released.

So you skip story missions then? You claim it'd be ok to put him in only the finale, yet now you say just SKIP the finale? Probably the most important mission in the campaign.

EDIT: Also the stories of these campaigns are already weak and out of place as is ("hey guys we found out that General Weiss is setting a trap! But first, lets go help Luke get his T-16!"), skipping story missions is just adding more fuel to the fire.

Just ignore/block the grumpy trolls, its not even worth acknowledging them.

I thought you had me on ignore. Glad you still care about me though.

Come on people.

Dec.17th is almost upon us!

We should be celebrating together!

I cannot wait. Gonna be sweet.

Heya. Quick Random Introduction: I've been stalking all these forms for a few months and decided that since I check these daily, I might as well actually post some.

Perhaps not the best place to first post, but the topic interested me.

Anyway, what about a playable Emperor character that wasn't a figure on the map? A new type of unit that has a cost to play, but instead of moving around, represents the presence of the general, the hidden master of strategy. Similar to a skirmish upgrade, in that it alters what other units on the map can do, and can perhaps be exhausted to have an effect. Would something along that lines introduce an acceptable presence of the Emperor that adds flavor without hurting plot/story?

I was an avid Star Wars Minis player, was lucky enough to get the "Emperor on Throne". Something like that could perhaps work. It couldn't move, didn't have a normal attack, but gave cool abilities to your guys while still having a few interesting things it could do on its own.

Anyway, just ideas. And a greeting.

Edit: Aw man. Had to await approval since this was my first post...so now things moved on past this point and I wonder if anyone noticed this.

Does something important happen that day?

Do we really care all that much about flavor? You could 'ban' almost all of the skirmish missions on those grounds.

Speaking for myself, absolutely.

Palpatine is awesome not because he shoots lightning from his fingers but because he convinced the galaxy to hand itself to him, he has better things to do than pick fights with insignificant insurgents. I honestly feel including him here only undermines him.

Do we really care all that much about flavor? You could 'ban' almost all of the skirmish missions on those grounds.

Speaking for myself, absolutely.

Palpatine is awesome not because he shoots lightning from his fingers but because he convinced the galaxy to hand itself to him, he has better things to do than pick fights with insignificant insurgents. I honestly feel including him here only undermines him.

Well it is apparent that any of you who says that it would be silly to see Palpatine running around and killing creatures or rebels have clearly not read the pretty interesting and on top of that "canon" book: "Lords of the Sith". In this book a big part of it told the story of Vader and Palpatine running around in a jungle with pair of Royal guards, finding their way after an emergency crash landing.Taking on legions upon legions of a vicious kind of Apex predator and they even wind up in the Queen nest at some point. Palpatine is utterly badass and both him and Vader fights like madmen against the endless hordes of creatures. So after reading that... Well I can certainly see Palpatine fit in the campaign and definitely in a skirmish! They wil obviously put him in this game and he clearly belongs in it too!

Being cannon doesn't make something not silly.

Another point, notice that up until now all of the campaigns have had an OC villain as the main antagonist. Vader works as something other than this because he is ultimately an attack dog. Palpatine can't be a sideshow.