I hope that with a rewrite of the ESB bounty hunters we can at least get a Zuckuss that doesn't suffer from schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder or whatever it was he ended up having. All because authors couldn't communicate and wrote him with completely different personalities. Such a shame ..

Misthunter was mentioned in Tales of the Bounty Hunters from way back when. But that ship seems to be completely different from the one we are getting from FFG.

FFG's is prettier.

I call shenanigans...

which is a polite way of saying..."BS"!

I don't really understand the argument that the EU stands until the Disneyverse overwrites it.

The EU was, the EU is... and so is the Disneyverse, but they're completely different canons that both use the OT as a starting point.

For me the EU is the one true Star Wars, but it's pretty absurd to think that there's this weird transition going on from EU -> Disneyverse canon that preserves the former until overwritten by the latter. They're different, only tangentially related, and that's all there is to it.

Yeah, the EU where Chewie was hit by a moon and everyone ends up related to everyone or sharing a backstory with people they won't meet again for like 20 years.

The same EU that gave us the holiday special? The Ewok movies?

At least the original comics were pretty good and the Han Solo adventures in the corporate sector were awesome. But most folks don't think the EU started until some guy named Thrawn (or is that Zahn) came to town.

To me the one true star wars is Star Wars and its direct sequel. And I guess the other sequel. We will see if the new sequels can stand up to the Real Deal.

Y'know, despite the implications of some of the trailers for TFA they're really contractually obligated only to kill Chewie via a method that's at least 20% cooler than dropping a moon on him.

Yeah, that was very badly phrased and wasn't how I meant it. I should have said that "FFG essentially resurrected it from the EU for X-Wing."

...except the EU isn't gone. It's still there....until it's overwritten. That's an important difference.

The Punishing One was in an episode of Robot Chicken once. It looked a little different.

It's not "still there"

It is a separate entity entirely.

Yeah, that was very badly phrased and wasn't how I meant it. I should have said that "FFG essentially resurrected it from the EU for X-Wing."

...except the EU isn't gone. It's still there....until it's overwritten. That's an important difference.

The Punishing One was in an episode of Robot Chicken once. It looked a little different.

paging BLK to the thread!

My understanding was that they totally invalidated almost all canon and rebranded it "Legends"? If so, nothing needs to be overwritten, the Legends are nothing more than tales told around a campfire.

To take from their press release:

...While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980's

Just look at all the stuff that FFG is releasing that is from EU. What I see is that the best stories will be used and most of the background of characters will still be the same. Just some of the worst elements or exactly what happened will be removed. So....everything is in play and potentially exactly as it happens in EU....until they change it.

They aren't just canning everything from EU. They are just not beholden to it.

sorry, but you're seeing this the wrong way - right now, NOTHING in the EU is real until Disney add it to canon. A regular poster (BLK) often argues this is "secondary" canon but the truth is that if Disney don't approve it, it doesn't exist, and you can tell yourself it's all there and waiting to happen, but it's really not. Your quote about "this is not being discarded" means that it's still available for those that want it and they are giving themselves a back-door to say "oh sure, we're adding Punisher One and calling it canon" but they could just have easily said "Dengar got this ship from his grandfather who made it from matchsticks on his deathbed and, by the by, it looks JUST like Slave 1...and, by the by, THIS is now canon."

Disney have already rewritten history with the A and B-Wing, so saying it's all still there waiting to come to life again is a fallacy. As other posters mentioned, just because Chewie was killed by a random moon doesn't mean "it's there as canon (or secondary canon)", it simply means that Disney have the choice to add it in or just forget all about it.

This is, literally, exactly what Disney were trying to achieve - they have actively defined what IS canon and if it's not on that list, it's a legend (i.e., not to be considered any more real in this world than we hold the story of Arthur and the Sword in the Stone).

Yeah, that was very badly phrased and wasn't how I meant it. I should have said that "FFG essentially resurrected it from the EU for X-Wing."

...except the EU isn't gone. It's still there....until it's overwritten. That's an important difference.

The Punishing One was in an episode of Robot Chicken once. It looked a little different.

paging BLK to the thread!

My understanding was that they totally invalidated almost all canon and rebranded it "Legends"? If so, nothing needs to be overwritten, the Legends are nothing more than tales told around a campfire.

Well its secondary canon, the legends. Its canon but it can be overwitten at anytime. That being said they have said, lfl, that parts of every story has truth to it, or in the case of one writer, its only the fine dets that can become noncanon. They dont want us to push legends off to the side like they never happend.

There things that are non-canon to the sw primary universe, like infinities, or games with altrnate endings.

We also have things stuck in limbo. All past video games havent been put into any of the canon groups yet, except KoToR, it is canon. Last I saw the holocron keeper said they were still thinking about if they would made the past games be legends.

Y'know, despite the implications of some of the trailers for TFA they're really contractually obligated only to kill Chewie via a method that's at least 20% cooler than dropping a moon on him.

This time IT ISN'T THE MOON

Y'know, despite the implications of some of the trailers for TFA they're really contractually obligated only to kill Chewie via a method that's at least 20% cooler than dropping a moon on him.

This time IT ISN'T THE MOON

That's no moon ...

Disney is now acknowledging the facts that have always been there concerning the A- and B-wing. Re: Droids.

Speaking of droids, George sometimes mentioned he 'long time ago' fairytale aspect of SW in which R2-D2 is still around hundreds of years after the events of Luke and the Gang and he is dictating their lives to someone else who is writing the 'Journal of the Whills'. Basically I take this to mean that the movies have been produced from this 'source' directly while everything else was just 'legends' from other , possibly less reliable narrators...maybe Chopper or HK-47, you know. Or anything that doesn't seem 'right' could be C-3PO embellishing things since he may have been memory wiped a few times and 'reprogrammed' by R2. Who knows.

Yeah, that was very badly phrased and wasn't how I meant it. I should have said that "FFG essentially resurrected it from the EU for X-Wing."

...except the EU isn't gone. It's still there....until it's overwritten. That's an important difference.

The Punishing One was in an episode of Robot Chicken once. It looked a little different.

paging BLK to the thread!

My understanding was that they totally invalidated almost all canon and rebranded it "Legends"? If so, nothing needs to be overwritten, the Legends are nothing more than tales told around a campfire.

To take from their press release:

...While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980's

Just look at all the stuff that FFG is releasing that is from EU. What I see is that the best stories will be used and most of the background of characters will still be the same. Just some of the worst elements or exactly what happened will be removed. So....everything is in play and potentially exactly as it happens in EU....until they change it.

They aren't just canning everything from EU. They are just not beholden to it.

sorry, but you're seeing this the wrong way - right now, NOTHING in the EU is real until Disney add it to canon. A regular poster (BLK) often argues this is "secondary" canon but the truth is that if Disney don't approve it, it doesn't exist, and you can tell yourself it's all there and waiting to happen, but it's really not. Your quote about "this is not being discarded" means that it's still available for those that want it and they are giving themselves a back-door to say "oh sure, we're adding Punisher One and calling it canon" but they could just have easily said "Dengar got this ship from his grandfather who made it from matchsticks on his deathbed and, by the by, it looks JUST like Slave 1...and, by the by, THIS is now canon."

Disney have already rewritten history with the A and B-Wing, so saying it's all still there waiting to come to life again is a fallacy. As other posters mentioned, just because Chewie was killed by a random moon doesn't mean "it's there as canon (or secondary canon)", it simply means that Disney have the choice to add it in or just forget all about it.

This is, literally, exactly what Disney were trying to achieve - they have actively defined what IS canon and if it's not on that list, it's a legend (i.e., not to be considered any more real in this world than we hold the story of Arthur and the Sword in the Stone).

...and I say you are seeing it wrong. Anything in EU is there and can be used. It's not "dropped" or have something "resurrected" from EU. It's not gone anywhere. It's just not confirmed. Things like who is Dengar or what ship is the Misthunter aren't going to change overall. Smaller details about things that happen to Dengar can change, but it's chalked up to some rumor that got it wrong. Dengar is still Dengar and doesn't need to be re-created.

When you get to things like Thrawn, well....we have to see if they want to use that. Maybe they do and maybe they don't. When it comes to a lot of other characters (like Scum pilots), I don't see them being dropped. Look at Mara Jade. She's gotten used, but we don't really know much about her. All her adventures in the Thrawn books could be called BS....or validated to some degree later on. It's not like there is no Mara Jade.

Disney can do what ever they want, they have no obligation to keep anything that wasn't in THE MOVIES, TCW or Rebels, or he new comics and novels. I can see this last one changing since the comics and novels are the first things that can go off the rails more easily, and also the easiest to ignore since movies and television have a much larger amount of people working on them and have a wider audience, so they have continuity experts that pay much closer attention to little details. A novel has one writer and an uncertain amount of editors, but also a lot of freedom to put wierd stuff in that don't make no sense later. Same with comics, which are notorious for continuity tangles.

Anyway Disney will use Dengar cause he is canon, but if his ship appears in comics or novels or Rebels it doesn't have to be the same Punishing One. It doesn't have to be the Punishing One at all.

I do think Disney should choose to make the majority of SotE canon because it was treated like a movie release and thus had a lot better design and effort than some one off novel or whatever. Not that I like SotE, and I really don't care about Xixor or Dash.

Y'know, despite the implications of some of the trailers for TFA they're really contractually obligated only to kill Chewie via a method that's at least 20% cooler than dropping a moon on him.

This time IT ISN'T THE MOON

It's Melancholia...

This.

Dengar ready sbowed up in the Marvel comics.

He was a jerk.

I respect your viewpoint but will will have to agree to disagree. Dengar is already canon (ESB and TCW) but something like Slave II is a total crap-shoot. And not sure on Mara Jade - I know she is in the game but FFG have already made non-canon stuff just for the game (the Raider) so I'm not sure if they are truly beholden to it or if Disney give a toss what they do here. This really is a half-full/half-empty thing. I see that it's all gone (rightly so, much of it was in-congruent with other things or just crap) unless they want to ressurect it, you see it as still existing just waiting to be brought up again (hope that's accurate, not wanting to speak for you)

They way I see it....they will use lots of people from the EU. They will use all the Bounty Hunters. They will pull lots of great characters. I'm sure they will use all the ships with the proper names. What they probably won't do is get involved with the actions these people did. That's the part that's Legends. Dengar with the Punishing One is there, but we don't know for sure if it was Han who caused him to crash in that pod race. We don't know if Boba Fett lived after Return or if Dengar was the one to fish him out. Mara Jade will be used, but we don't know exactly her back story or if she romances with Luke or becomes a Jedi. I'm sure she will be used, though. I see the good characters as being used, but all the stories about what they did in question. That way you can grab the best of the EU and not have to be beholden to some 2nd rate paperback in plot.

There are some characters that we don't know about. Thrawn is one. That crazy Jedi clone is another. To be honest, I'm fine with them not being included. I thought most of the novels were not worth it. I think that's where we probably disagree the most. I'm happy to see all the coolest characters and ideas plundered from EU, but most of the stories and plots dropped. Maybe they will keep the main part of a plot alive, but update it to fit and improve on it. I'm happy with that.

Mara Jade is already in the game, she helps the Empire spread some healthy stress.