Poe is just straight up better then Luke.

T-65 really needed a t-70 title for 3 points that gave boost, 1 shield, tech slot, and allowed the t65 to use a t70 dial with tallon rolls etc.

Then Luke wedge and several other t-65 would all see competitve play again. Heck even with that upgrade Poe is still arguably better then Luke.

Integrated astromech is not going to do the t-65 any help in being competitive.

IA helps to survive better. In my casual matches home several times x-wings survived shots which would gave killed them without IA and then could retaliate (esp Wedge can turn games with this, if IA just allows him to survive one more round, allowing to one more time shoot while negating defender's agility).

If the T65 gets too much, then the Khiraxz will have a problem.

Khiraxz will have a problem.

Guess what?

It already has

it's called T-70 HAS BOOST issue

Having no boost makes Talonbane a Saaad cobra

and a Boost-Cobra is 1 point MORE expensive than Poe.

with greatly reduced survivability.

I usually run Luke with R2-F2 and save R2-D2 for something with more shields like Poe or Corran.

That....is a remarkably nice idea. That gives you a ridiculous ability to avoid fire - I don't know why I never even considered that (other than generic "Luke+R2-D2" fixation).

I know that's a defensive-only increase, not defensive and offensive like Poe Dameron, but that comes within a hair as good as Poe at range 3 - even with autothrusters.

It's using your action, but not your elite talent - with Lone wolf that's going to be nasty. Thanks for the inspiration!

FFG, We, your faithful followers,

adepts of Thy Holy Printer

Ask thy of thy wisdom and foresight!

Bring forth Thy Designers!

Fire up Thy Printers!

Grant us Luke Skywalker

In all his Bearded Glory!

In all his wizened Skill!

In a new Boosting T-70 X-wing!

Blessed be Thy Printer!

Amen.

Poe is just straight up better then Luke.

T-65 really needed a t-70 title for 3 points that gave boost, 1 shield, tech slot, and allowed the t65 to use a t70 dial with tallon rolls etc.

Then Luke wedge and several other t-65 would all see competitve play again. Heck even with that upgrade Poe is still arguably better then Luke.

Integrated astromech is not going to do the t-65 any help in being competitive.

IA helps to survive better. In my casual matches home several times x-wings survived shots which would gave killed them without IA and then could retaliate (esp Wedge can turn games with this, if IA just allows him to survive one more round, allowing to one more time shoot while negating defender's agility).

If the T65 gets too much, then the Khiraxz will have a problem.

So if you think it will cause the kirazhz issues guess what? The t70 already does!!!

In fact as I stated poes ability is better then lukes and integrated astromech is also used on the xwing.

I'm not saying IA still won't help a bare bones t65. I'm saying it still sucks and is not competitve. However IA on a generic t70 with a cheap 1pt astromech are decent.

Poe is just straight up better then Luke.

T-65 really needed a t-70 title for 3 points that gave boost, 1 shield, tech slot, and allowed the t65 to use a t70 dial with tallon rolls etc.

Then Luke wedge and several other t-65 would all see competitve play again. Heck even with that upgrade Poe is still arguably better then Luke.

Integrated astromech is not going to do the t-65 any help in being competitive.

IA helps to survive better. In my casual matches home several times x-wings survived shots which would gave killed them without IA and then could retaliate (esp Wedge can turn games with this, if IA just allows him to survive one more round, allowing to one more time shoot while negating defender's agility).

If the T65 gets too much, then the Khiraxz will have a problem.

Ps 3 points and what I stated is exactly what the t70 is

So if you think it will cause the kirazhz issues guess what? The t70 already does!!!

In fact as I stated poes ability is better then lukes and integrated astromech is also used on the xwing.

I'm not saying IA still won't help a bare bones t65. I'm saying it still sucks and is not competitve. However IA on a generic t70 with a cheap 1pt astromech are decent.

And as the Khiraxz has already a problem with the T70 with about 5 pilots, so lets power up the T65 so it will get problems with 10 more T65 pilots? Really great....

Poe is just straight up better then Luke.

T-65 really needed a t-70 title for 3 points that gave boost, 1 shield, tech slot, and allowed the t65 to use a t70 dial with tallon rolls etc.

Then Luke wedge and several other t-65 would all see competitve play again. Heck even with that upgrade Poe is still arguably better then Luke.

Integrated astromech is not going to do the t-65 any help in being competitive.

IA helps to survive better. In my casual matches home several times x-wings survived shots which would gave killed them without IA and then could retaliate (esp Wedge can turn games with this, if IA just allows him to survive one more round, allowing to one more time shoot while negating defender's agility).

If the T65 gets too much, then the Khiraxz will have a problem.

Ps 3 points and what I stated is exactly what the t70 is

So if you think it will cause the kirazhz issues guess what? The t70 already does!!!

In fact as I stated poes ability is better then lukes and integrated astromech is also used on the xwing.

I'm not saying IA still won't help a bare bones t65. I'm saying it still sucks and is not competitve. However IA on a generic t70 with a cheap 1pt astromech are decent.

And as the Khiraxz has already a problem with the T70 with about 5 pilots, so lets power up the T65 so it will get problems with 10 more T65 pilots? Really great....

Secondly the t70 is only going to get better with new unique pilots and IA with r2 or targeting astromech making 4x blue novice t70 lists a lot more competitive.

But hey if another faction having sucky non competitive ships make you feel better at night then you have more issues then the kirazhz. Heck the syck is even in worse shape the the kirazhz.

Back on topic IA is going to do abosolutely nothing in making the t65 competitive. The only t65 you wil ever see is Biggs and even he won't make it into any competitive lists.

Poe is just straight up better then Luke.

T-65 really needed a t-70 title for 3 points that gave boost, 1 shield, tech slot, and allowed the t65 to use a t70 dial with tallon rolls etc.

Then Luke wedge and several other t-65 would all see competitve play again. Heck even with that upgrade Poe is still arguably better then Luke.

Integrated astromech is not going to do the t-65 any help in being competitive.

IA helps to survive better. In my casual matches home several times x-wings survived shots which would gave killed them without IA and then could retaliate (esp Wedge can turn games with this, if IA just allows him to survive one more round, allowing to one more time shoot while negating defender's agility).

If the T65 gets too much, then the Khiraxz will have a problem.

Ps 3 points and what I stated is exactly what the t70 is

So if you think it will cause the kirazhz issues guess what? The t70 already does!!!

In fact as I stated poes ability is better then lukes and integrated astromech is also used on the xwing.

I'm not saying IA still won't help a bare bones t65. I'm saying it still sucks and is not competitve. However IA on a generic t70 with a cheap 1pt astromech are decent.

And as the Khiraxz has already a problem with the T70 with about 5 pilots, so lets power up the T65 so it will get problems with 10 more T65 pilots? Really great....

first kirazhz and both xwings are different factions so your balanced issues make absolutely no sense comparing them as the don't compete with each other in any list build ever.

Secondly the t70 is only going to get better with new unique pilots and IA with r2 or targeting astromech making 4x blue novice t70 lists a lot more competitive.

But hey if another faction having sucky non competitive ships make you feel better at night then you have more issues then the kirazhz. Heck the syck is even in worse shape the the kirazhz.

Back on topic IA is going to do abosolutely nothing in making the t65 competitive. The only t65 you wil ever see is Biggs and even he won't make it into any competitive lists.

Statement 1 is a fail. Both are 3 attack 2 dodge jousters. you MUST compare them for the...how it's called? BALANCE?

when it comes to generics T-70 is not that greater than T-65, it's aces where the goddamn boost matter a LOT

having sucky non-competitive ships is bad, rebel or not.

IA makes generic T-65 good. their point-effectiveness reaches the B-wing one.

I love Luke Skywalker and I want to see him in more lists, but I also really want to see some of the other less used X-wing pilots make it to competitive lists as well.

It seems like Biggs and Wedge are always in the limelight as far as X-wing lists go. I really want to see some sweet lists with Hobbie Kilvian, Garven Dreis, Wes Janson or even Jek Porkins.

Wes Janson could use like a 3-4 point astromech that reads: "whenever an enemy ship removes a focus or evade token, if they are in your firing arc, you may assign that token to your ship"

I've heard it suggested before, but it would be cool to have and astromech upgrade for R5-56 or R5-D8. (the ones that have to roll a green die to have an effect) Somthing that allows them to reroll the die if it fails Then Jek Porkins and Dutch Vander can have their respective astromechs

For Hobbie, I think it would be cool to have an astromech that says "Whenever you remove a stress token, you may perform a free boost or barrel roll." Similar to BB-8, but based on removing stress.

I imagine some fun shenanigans with Dutch Vander where Hobbie is able to dance around the battlefield.

What are some cool lists that use either Jek, Wes, Garven or Hobbie? Besides the ones that Biggs and Wedge. Is there any synergy with Luke Skywalker that can be incorporated?

Y'know, if we see Luke in an X-wing I kinda hope he flies his old T-65, and flies it really badassly.

Dat CLASSIC LOVE...

Dat NEW (Future CLASSIC) LOVE...

It IS all good in my book Star Brahs... We Know It To Be True!

Dat CLASSIC LOVE...

Dat NEW (Future CLASSIC) LOVE...

It IS all good in my book Star Brahs.

Why is luke trying to brush his hair with a lightsabre?

OMG that's genius, a low power lightsabre brushes and dries at the same time.

I WANT ONE!

I mean it explains how Kylo Rens hair is so pretty in that one shot.

I think a sublte way to boost the classic T-65 in general might be a modification which says "X-wing only. Action: You may perform a free Boost or Barrel roll" and cost it at 2-3 points.

This way, there is the IA modification for lower PS pilots that need more durability as jousters (generics, Tarn, Hobbie, Biggs, and Garven), and a manouverability modification for the higher PS pilots (Jek, Luke, Wes and Wedge).

Because the wording is similar to the IA mod, it could also be used on the T-70's but would be somewhat redundant.

Dat CLASSIC LOVE...

Dat NEW (Future CLASSIC) LOVE...

It IS all good in my book Star Brahs.

Why is luke trying to brush his hair with a lightsabre?

OMG that's genius, a low power lightsabre brushes and dries at the same time.

I WANT ONE!

His Sister does his hair...

I mean how do you not understand how it all works?

My sister never did my hair (my hair is prettier though).

My sister never did my hair (my hair is prettier though).

Shes does Han & Chewies hair too...

And 3-P0 does her hair!

Biggs does his own hair, of course... Yeah Baby!

While we're on the subject of haircuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiwCc8uSWZI

I think this will have to do until we perfect the lightsaber technology

Y'know, if we see Luke in an X-wing I kinda hope he flies his old T-65, and flies it really badassly.

I was hoping he would use his old Xwing too, especilly if he has been a Hermit for a number of years.

Fun, thematic, but never on the bright side of competitive play.

calling something a "fun" list usually precludes it from being truly competitive.

You can stomach playing lists that aren't fun?

How?

Not sure if you're addressing me or Warpman but if it IS to me, I think you misread/misunderstood my post. If it was to me, please highlight the par where I said I played lists that weren't fun as opposed to saying that this was a fun list but not competitive.

The sweet-spot is obviously finding that right mix but, no matter how "competitive" a meta build is, if it's no fun, it's not for me.

Y'know, if we see Luke in an X-wing I kinda hope he flies his old T-65, and flies it really badassly.

The one the Empire captured on Bespin when Darth Vader wrecked his shiit?

Good timing since I actually just ran luke for a few games yesterday and my opponents we're calling him busted! Luke with LW, r2d2, EU is a monster on par with poe at range 3 and more durable inside due to LW vs AT. He's also cheaper and doesn't care about actions near as much as poe FWIW. Not that it matters since I brought both but yea, lukes still the **** in my book.

Just to clarify this, he is not more durable than Poe. Poe has one more HP, on R3 and out of arc Poe gets a guaranteed evade on a blank as opposed to a reroll. Add his ability to that and he is certainly more durable. Also Lone Wolf is very conditional, and without it the difference gets only bigger.

Offensively there is also no comparison. You can't take PTL on Luke because you want Lone Wolf. And that means you either Boost or Focus, meaning you either have no movement or no modification barring Lone Wolf.

Poe is more action dependent, that is true, but if he gets those, he is plain better. In offense and defense. And let's not forget that Rebels have ways to give him a Focus.

And he costs exactly 1 point more... So i would take him any day of the week over Luke. Or with him together. Poe was not in the finals of Worlds TWICE while nobody even played Luke in the whole Tournament for no reason. There is a big difference in power level between those two.

I can understand that people still enjoy flying him of course, but i eished he was a bit more competitive!Poe Dameron (31)Push the Limit (3)R5-P9 (3)Autothrusters (2)Luke Skywalker (28)Lone Wolf (2)R2-D2 (4)Engine Upgrade (4)Total: 77View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Well I did say more durable 'inside' meaning within range 2 with LW active, or i.e. anywhere that AT is not since he can still effect blank results while poe otherwise wouldn't. At least in my experience this has been pretty huge. Otoh I feel r5p9 is the superior regen droid, for poe at least. Fair enough on the rest.

fly both
2 durable ships