3 Ship regen. Should we be worried?

By Kdubb, in X-Wing

Ezra Bridger (20)
Elusiveness (2)
R2-D2 (Crew) (4)

Poe Dameron (31)
R5-P9 (3)
Autothrusters (2)

Miranda Doni (29)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
C-3PO (3)

Total: 100

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So, ya. There is regen. On every ship.

And, unless Ezra's dial turns out to be utter garbage (which is possible), I think every ship here is pretty competitive.

If you want VI on Poe, swap C-3PO for Tactician or something on Miranda. Or maybe no crew on Miranda and hull on Ezra or something. Or VI on Poe, no C3P0, no Elusivness, and Shield on Ezra. Pretty sure there is probably a better Ezra build, but tough to say for sure without the dial.

Either way, the point stands. What are the thoughts on a 3-ship, full regen list? Nathan's 2nd place worlds list had 2 out of 3 regen ships and Paul's first place had 1, but with Ezra, it's possible to field 3 regen ships in one list.

So what do we think? Top level competitive, or do we think it will be just slightly annoying, but not top level?

Erza is not a threat in that getup

Neither is poe without an ept

The damage output is abysmal and they'll drown in focused fire

Edited by ficklegreendice

Yeah, you are sacrificing major power for both Miranda and Poe to bring in Ezra. Who can die really, really quickly, Artoo or not.

Yeah, I'd give miranda a tactician instead, and give poe vi. Maybe ezra with lonewolf too... But steady on fickle old chap, I don't think three 3-red ships, with ace busting, stress control AND regen can be described as abysmal in damage output, nor easily drownable in damage!

Is the sky falling yet?

The only time Ezra is getting use out of R2D2 is when he has either 1 or 2 HP left. By using R2D2, Ezra risks total destination. That's not a great use of 3 points.

Yeah, I'd give miranda a tactician instead, and give poe vi. Maybe ezra with lonewolf too... But steady on fickle old chap, I don't think three 3-red ships, with ace busting, stress control AND regen can be described as abysmal in damage output, nor easily drownable in damage!

Have you not seen how quickly Z-95s can go down? And Miranda is tanky, but once she is focused on, she goes the way of the B-wing.

49-point Corran would solo that list.

Isn't Esege a better choice next to Poe and Ezra?

Poe without VI is a non-issue, and I can safely assume Ezra without PTL is the same.

Yeah, you are sacrificing major power for both Miranda and Poe to bring in Ezra. Who can die really, really quickly, Artoo or not.

What major power is being sacrificed? Those builds are pretty typical for them I thought. If you mean as far as support, I can see what you mean. Hard to say without seeing Ezra on the table if he could do enough damage to complement them.

Yeah, I'd give miranda a tactician instead, and give poe vi. Maybe ezra with lonewolf too... But steady on fickle old chap, I don't think three 3-red ships, with ace busting, stress control AND regen can be described as abysmal in damage output, nor easily drownable in damage!

THANK YOU.

Ya, after mulling over it, I think it would without doubt be better to give Poe VI and Miranda Tactician. Not sure about Lone wolf on Ezra though. If he gets caught on his own, he's probably going down fast either way. And Lone Wolf doesn't give him any way to take stress outside of his dial or the opponent (who would likely choose not to stress him I'd guess).

Is the sky falling yet?

It's been falling ever since the Phantom was introduced, right? :P

The only time Ezra is getting use out of R2D2 is when he has either 1 or 2 HP left. By using R2D2, Ezra risks total destination. That's not a great use of 3 points.

Agreed this is an issue with the list. It shows FFG takes careful consideration in point costs, because if there was enough room to pinch in a shield upgrade, I think it would be a lot stronger.

The idea though is that between the (one) elusiveness re-roll, and then, being stressed, a 62.5% chance to roll an evade with each die, he will be able to swallow a healthy amount of damage. And if you think he's in trouble, you'd take an evade for your action, mitigating yet another damage. That should be more than enough to swallow a good number of shots. And any shots that aren't going to Poe and Miranda is likely fine for the player.

Yeah, I'd give miranda a tactician instead, and give poe vi. Maybe ezra with lonewolf too... But steady on fickle old chap, I don't think three 3-red ships, with ace busting, stress control AND regen can be described as abysmal in damage output, nor easily drownable in damage!

Have you not seen how quickly Z-95s can go down? And Miranda is tanky, but once she is focused on, she goes the way of the B-wing.

Ezra's pilot ability, as well as having access to evade, makes him much more survivable than a Z-95 in my opinion. And agreed Miranda does go down fast when focused down by clever players who can trap her. But I also believe top players know when to SLAM her out of trouble. Not a ton of those right now I'd say though haha. But either way, well put points.

Isn't Esege a better choice next to Poe and Ezra?

I like the synergy, but I think Esege's ability is pretty widely regarded as heavily inferior to Miranda's in the 100 point competitive game.

3 ship regen can be focused down fairly easy. You cant regen shields when hull is 0 or less.

You don't need attack shuttle to run a good 3 healers list

T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (31)

Veteran Instincts (1)

· R2-D2 (4)

Autothrusters (2)

K-Wing: · Miranda Doni (29)

Twin Laser Turret (6)

Y-Wing: Gold Squadron Pilot (18)

Twin Laser Turret (6)

· R5-P9 (3)

You don't need more than two shield tankers in three-ship rebels. The third ship is bait anyway.

Regen only helps so much and it was possible to field three regen ships well before the ghost with R2 astromech.

It's possible this could be good? i don't think it's a problem.

focus fire is what counters regen, regen is only really great on ships that can ark doge or otherwise force players to spread their damage.

Annoying. I feel its not like... abysmally unbeatable in a way that makes me wanna put down xwing and play catan. =PPP

See, the problem is that these guys all suffer from the same weaknesses, since they're all 2 agility or less and are focused on shield regen. If the person flying that list can force the opponent to switch targets often, then it'll have a chance...except none of them (except Miranda) is tanky enough to soak up a round of focused fire. If you get caught in arcs, you'll get blown up.

This has been possible for a while, and you could arguably go with 4 ship regen with the R5 action-based lose-a-damage-card guy.

Not technically effective.

Edited by DraconPyrothayan

Run LW Ezra, VI Poe, and Tactician Miranda and I'd call that a solid list.

Probably doesn't annoy me much more than 2 ship regen though. That stuffs already pretty strong.

Should we be worried? Idk, shields recharging is technically a Star Wars universe thing.

FFG is also aware of it and giving us tools like Wampa to combat it. I suspect we will get more stuff eventually that ignores or destroys extra shields.

Miranda with TLT - 35

Poe with R5-P9, VI, AT - 37

Gold with TLT, R2-D2 - 28

Seems like a half decent tripe regen list. Ships still die to focus fire though so can't take advantage of the regen.

hmmm if the 3 of them focus fire and can heal enough to prevent death they could be an interesting combo in a timed game

I have a bad feeling about using triple regen against anything except new players who can't focus fire. Paying for all the droids means you're losing out on both damage output and mobility. What that means is you potentially receive more damage per turn compared to someone who just brought Corran and Miranda.

Chewie over R2-Dcrew, IMO.

Ezra Bridger — Attack Shuttle 20

Push the Limit 3

Autoblaster Turret 2

Chewbacca 4

Ship Total: 29

Poe Dameron — T-70 X-Wing 31

Veteran Instincts 1

R5-P9 3

Autothrusters 2

Ship Total: 37

Luke Skywalker — X-Wing 28

Lone Wolf 2

R2-D2

Edited by TasteTheRainbow

Triple Regen isn't going to be as effective as double regen and a Z. You'd be better off with your typical 48 point Corran and a Super Poe and a Z-95 (or torpedoes on both ships instead of the Z).

This is for the same reason that double IG is better than 2 gimped IG's and an M3-A or whatever semi-filler. The third ship brings less to the table than just stacking more power upgrades on your preexisting ships. Force multipliers, bro.

Triple Regen isn't going to be as effective as double regen and a Z. You'd be better off with your typical 48 point Corran and a Super Poe and a Z-95 (or torpedoes on both ships instead of the Z).

This is for the same reason that double IG is better than 2 gimped IG's and an M3-A or whatever semi-filler. The third ship brings less to the table than just stacking more power upgrades on your preexisting ships. Force multipliers, bro.

This seems counter intuitive. I know its true, but there are times when two z-95s instead of just one with similar stats. I guess this goes to certain ships needing certain upgrades to be competitive.

I think multiple regen ships will start to be more common; be it poe and corran, miranda and poe or some other combination. I'd like to see something similar come to the empire and scum.