I think at this point,

The fact that all the Attack Shuttle pilots are unique in the Ghost expansion I think is FFGs way of saying "Hey, we aren't putting generics in here because we don't expect you to fly more then one of these."

With that said, I think it's safe to assume this is the only place we will see the Attack Shuttle. That is, unless the Rebels really struggle to find new ships to release in future waves. If that for some reason becomes the case, I can see them revisiting this lil guy. Though I'd rather they didn't. Not the prettiest ship.

Counterpoint: the ship has four pilots and looks like they should all fit in a 100-point game, so clearly they expect us to buy four expansion packs.

But you can't fit 4 with TLTs. I think 4 HWKs with TLTs would be better.

I know I have certainly been assuming that the phantom being able to dock to the ghost was a (pretty major) modification done to the ship and not something that came stock with the VCX.

If that's actually the case, then I'm completely fine with it. But since I've never seen a VCX or an Attack Shuttle without the other ship I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion.

Since we have only ever seen the ghost and the phantom, there is insufficient data to make a determination in either direction. All we can do us speculate based on common sense.

Attack Shuttle Aces pack confirmed. Generic pilot PS2 is 'Spectre Pilot', cost 18.

Who wouldn't want two more of these things, right?

too fat to be true

or is it the Ghost you refer to as ace pack? xD

I know I have certainly been assuming that the phantom being able to dock to the ghost was a (pretty major) modification done to the ship and not something that came stock with the VCX.

If that's actually the case, then I'm completely fine with it. But since I've never seen a VCX or an Attack Shuttle without the other ship I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion.

You're talking about a ship that has barely any resemblance to any other CEC ships that have been dreamt up in the past and has a docking mechanism that wouldn't be out of place on an 80s/90s Lego Space ship or 70s Sentai show...

It's almost definitely a unique/special snowflakey thing.

I know I have certainly been assuming that the phantom being able to dock to the ghost was a (pretty major) modification done to the ship and not something that came stock with the VCX.

If that's actually the case, then I'm completely fine with it. But since I've never seen a VCX or an Attack Shuttle without the other ship I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion.

According to Wookieepedia, the VCX-100 comes stock with an "auxillary fighter" and the Phantom is a modified version.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/VCX-series_auxiliary_starfighter

Sorry bro. It's a gimmick type thing.

Same is true for the Hound's Tooth. Is Bossk really the only freighter pilot to put a Z-95 in his YV-666? But maybe he is, and maybe the Ghost is the only one with an attack shuttle. We just don't know one way or the other.

It's just part of the game. Sometimes the designers make something unique for gameplay purposes and not necessarily for thematic reasons. And let's face it, the vast majority of people are probably interested in a docked attack shuttle specifically because they want it to be the Ghost and Phantom. Could the designers have made that mechanic non-unique? They could have, but it would probably still use titles. And then how would you get the Ghost and Phantom titles?

We could do this for a bunch of titles. Why not a Han Solo wannabe who modded his YT-1300 so it can evade like the Falcon? What about another Firespray with Proton Torpedoes? How about a different G-1A starfighter with a Tractor Beam equipped? These are all fun ways to give unique ships something special besides just a name. They may not be truly unique in the Star Wars galaxy, but it makes us players feel that these ships are a cut above the rest.

Originally the Nashta Pup wasn't even a Z-95, it was a small two person shuttle. So much for that little piece of EU. Oh and the Hounds Tooth was definately a HUGE ship back then As well. I miss 'Bossk on Bus'.

According to Wookieepedia, the VCX-100 comes stock with an "auxillary fighter" and the Phantom is a modified version.

Okay. Then I don't like that the docking mechanics are tied to unique Titles, if unmodified versions of the ship possess the same capability.

It's another ship that just happens to be named Ghost while also having an unmodified fighter docked also called the Phantom.

Maybe?

Btw what does VCX stand for, Very Cool Transport (X can mean all sorts of things)

I know I have certainly been assuming that the phantom being able to dock to the ghost was a (pretty major) modification done to the ship and not something that came stock with the VCX.

If that's actually the case, then I'm completely fine with it. But since I've never seen a VCX or an Attack Shuttle without the other ship I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion.

Btw what does VCX stand for, Very Cool Transport (X can mean all sorts of things)

Dunno. What does the YT in YT-1300 stand for?

I agree that it looks nothing like anything else that CEC makes other than having turrets and docking airlocks. They should have just assigned it to another shipwright - CEC's inventory line-up is pretty huge already - having too many types of models too close in type with very different designswill lead to serious inventory and parts problems even for the largest companies. Honestly the VCX looks more like a Suwantek than a CEC.

So far the VCX is unique - no other VCX has been seen other than the Ghost. Also the VCX looks nothing like a freighter. A cargo hauler, be it truck, van, plane or boat is usually blocky and rectangular especially in the cargo section. All HWK-290, both YTs and the YV-666 all share similar characteristics.

The VCX has strange cut-outs and sloped panels in it's space frame (an attempt to be aerodynamic?, profile reduction?) that reduce carrying capacity tremendously. It has comparatively small engines compared to it's bulk (only the YV is comparable), and 3 crew operated turrets (one of which can be locked and used by the pilot in addition to the pilot cannon). With this type of cargo capacity and weapon layout, the VCX shouldn't be a "light freighter" at all - its more like an assault or landing craft, or a gunboat, or a long range patroller.

A cargo hauler, be it truck, van, plane or boat is usually blocky and rectangular especially in the cargo section. All HWK-290, both YTs and the YV-666 all share similar characteristics.

You think the YT's fit that description?

the biggest problem I have had with the falcon over the years is that there doesn't seem to be a cargo hold. I think the Ghost looks a lot more like a cargo ship than any other "freighter" we have seen in SW.

I know I have certainly been assuming that the phantom being able to dock to the ghost was a (pretty major) modification done to the ship and not something that came stock with the VCX.

If that's actually the case, then I'm completely fine with it. But since I've never seen a VCX or an Attack Shuttle without the other ship I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion.

Has anyone else notice that the two upgrade cards •Ghost and •Phantom are really just one "Title" card for the VCX-100? Also, with no generic Attack Shuttle pilot card in the set, I think that would indicate that this set is more akin to an Rebel/Imperial/Most Wanted aces set.

Of all things, this is my major issue with the Ghost and Phantom titles. It's two cards.... That are actually just one card... Why? I mean, the text was getting pretty lengthy. And, I guess thematically, they had to have separate titles for them. But having them separate yet essential to each other is kind of silly.

A cargo hauler, be it truck, van, plane or boat is usually blocky and rectangular especially in the cargo section. All HWK-290, both YTs and the YV-666 all share similar characteristics.

You think the YT's fit that description?

the biggest problem I have had with the falcon over the years is that there doesn't seem to be a cargo hold. I think the Ghost looks a lot more like a cargo ship than any other "freighter" we have seen in SW.

Obviously it be came a freighter the second that smugglers' compartments were installed.

But seriously, if the Ebon Hawk is to be believed all light freighters have a "cargo hold" that is primarily used as a bedroom and quest hub by the NPCs you recruit on your way to becoming an unstoppable juggernaught of the Force.

I mean i am really crazy about this game, and not even i consider buying more than one Ghost expansion.

And i actually have full playsets of any other ship in the game so i could field the max number of naked ships in a 100 point game!

In my opinion they shouldn't have limited the pilots but the shuttle itself. It seems to be one of a kind and i guess that's how it should be played.

A cargo hauler, be it truck, van, plane or boat is usually blocky and rectangular especially in the cargo section. All HWK-290, both YTs and the YV-666 all share similar characteristics.

You think the YT's fit that description?

the biggest problem I have had with the falcon over the years is that there doesn't seem to be a cargo hold. I think the Ghost looks a lot more like a cargo ship than any other "freighter" we have seen in SW.

It has a cargo hold! I am on my Phone so i cant post the pics but here is the link.

http://www.wired.com/2010/11/this-is-the-blueprint-to-the-millennium-falcon/

I know I have certainly been assuming that the phantom being able to dock to the ghost was a (pretty major) modification done to the ship and not something that came stock with the VCX.

If that's actually the case, then I'm completely fine with it. But since I've never seen a VCX or an Attack Shuttle without the other ship I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion.

Has anyone else notice that the two upgrade cards •Ghost and •Phantom are really just one "Title" card for the VCX-100? Also, with no generic Attack Shuttle pilot card in the set, I think that would indicate that this set is more akin to an Rebel/Imperial/Most Wanted aces set.

Of all things, this is my major issue with the Ghost and Phantom titles. It's two cards.... That are actually just one card... Why? I mean, the text was getting pretty lengthy. And, I guess thematically, they had to have separate titles for them. But having them separate yet essential to each other is kind of silly.

Everybody has been assuming that the VCX-100/ASSAULT SHUTTLE combo is a standard feature of both ships. Maybe it is, there is text in Wookieepidia calling the Assault shuttle an 'auxiliary' starfighter for the VCX (then again that is just a wiki fact, subject to change by anyone).

What if the GENERIC VCX/AS combo are meant to be paired together but aren't suppose to work as one ship when joined? This would explain the two-card "Title VCX-100 Only" Ghost/Phantom set. There is canon saying that Hera heavily modified her VCX, maybe part of that modification is by making both ships operate as one ship when 'docked'. This could explain why there is "special arc" for the primary and is a 4[VCX], instead of a 3[AS] (the other part being you get an additional turret shot).

*(And why I still think the Phantom's upgrades would be added to the Ghost's)*

[i know, I know, not going to happen... we'll just have to wait and see for when the Ghost rules come out.]

It has a cargo hold! I am on my Phone so i cant post the pics but here is the link.http://www.wired.com/2010/11/this-is-the-blueprint-to-the-millennium-falcon/

That is one of the deck plans for the falcon. I have seen 2-3 others, all different and none of them being a perfect fit for the footage shown in the movies. I once spent an afternoon watching The Empire falcon scenes on freeze frame and comparing them to all the layouts for the falcon I could find, none of them were completely right (yes, I am a total nerd). The one you linked to (which I believe was created by west end games for their RPG) is by far my favorite though, because it does set aside a decent cargo hold, and makes allowances for getting cargo in and out of it.

http://deckplans.00sf.com/Old_Ships/Millennium_Falcon_Interior_Old.gif

Robert Brown spent an ungodly amount of time trying to get the interior and exterior shots of the falcon to mesh but it is really a contradiction. All official deckplans want to shift the big square room (the one with the chess table and Luke getting shot by the remote) to the port side so that the hallway from the cockpit and boarding ramp can meet the room at a 90 degree angle. Basically there's a torus shaped hallway that runs in a circle to the central gunwell area with a break for the big room and the huge engine area. This hallway is always butchered in official drawings, sadly. I don't think we will ever see a good set of plans like the ones B Squared labored over almost 20 years ago.

It has a cargo hold! I am on my Phone so i cant post the pics but here is the link.http://www.wired.com/2010/11/this-is-the-blueprint-to-the-millennium-falcon/

That is one of the deck plans for the falcon. I have seen 2-3 others, all different and none of them being a perfect fit for the footage shown in the movies. I once spent an afternoon watching The Empire falcon scenes on freeze frame and comparing them to all the layouts for the falcon I could find, none of them were completely right (yes, I am a total nerd). The one you linked to (which I believe was created by west end games for their RPG) is by far my favorite though, because it does set aside a decent cargo hold, and makes allowances for getting cargo in and out of it.

Hereby i award you with the alphageek medal!

What i heard from EU/Legends was that they made 3 versions of the 1300, one cargo, one passenger and one mixed version. The Falcon should be the mixed version. I believe it served as a Republic courier ship right?

I've been wondering if the full size falcon they built for the new movie has a fully detailed interior. Would kinda settle the issue conclusively if they actually built it. They did something similar for Bag End for the Hobbit movies.

Astromech + crew + EPT is just asking for something to break the game. Chopper is a crew. That is enough.

Chopper would never work with another Astromech, anyway. He'd just try to kill them.

It has a cargo hold! I am on my Phone so i cant post the pics but here is the link.http://www.wired.com/2010/11/this-is-the-blueprint-to-the-millennium-falcon/

That is one of the deck plans for the falcon. I have seen 2-3 others, all different and none of them being a perfect fit for the footage shown in the movies. I once spent an afternoon watching The Empire falcon scenes on freeze frame and comparing them to all the layouts for the falcon I could find, none of them were completely right (yes, I am a total nerd). The one you linked to (which I believe was created by west end games for their RPG) is by far my favorite though, because it does set aside a decent cargo hold, and makes allowances for getting cargo in and out of it.

My problem with the WEG plan was the cargo hold left no room for engines! The huge exhausts on the aft quadrant seem to indicate a huge area taken up by the engine.

Basically all the problems come down to trying to fit he real world interior studio sets into the undersized exterior mock up. The exterior was intentionally undersized because of space concerns and budget, and it was a common filming practice. Trying to measure the studio Falcon will give you a hull that is way too small for the interior. A true size for the falcon can be obtained by measuring the scale miniatures used in the effects shots.

I dunno if the new movies have used a full scale exterior with actual interiors, but from what Kevin Smith has said it seems to be the case.