It will be weird to see Ezra, Zeb, and Sabine each flying their own attack shuttle in the same squad. Not to mention two VCX-100's. I understand that FFG wouldn't want to make the whole ship unique cuz otherwise, nobody would ever buy two!
I had not considered this possibility until you said it. And the thought pleases me. Attack Shuttle swarm gogogo
I thought of that a while back. I'd absolutely love to run a bunch of Attack Shuttles.
It will be weird to see Ezra, Zeb, and Sabine each flying their own attack shuttle in the same squad. Not to mention two VCX-100's. I understand that FFG wouldn't want to make the whole ship unique cuz otherwise, nobody would ever buy two!
I had not considered this possibility until you said it. And the thought pleases me. Attack Shuttle swarm gogogo
I thought of that a while back. I'd absolutely love to run a bunch of Attack Shuttles.
Your wallet wont love it. You'll have to buy at least 3 Ghost expansions to field 3 attack shuttles. But, of course, most of us have enough buddies to borrow around to run things like this without breaking the bank. I'd assume you'd pick that option.
Push the limit and Kaanan crew
20 points is a steal for this thing. Great upgrade slots, great action bar, great stat line and great pilot ability. Run it with just lone wolf and tactician, and it's looking really good for 24 points.
It's also pretty much immune to Juke, which I think is going to be in a lot of imperial lists when it hits, especially the new /fos and prototypes. And to stress in general, really. Thankfully the new imperial mini ace on the block, Omega Leader, don't give two gungans about ezra's ability!
As someone who grew up in the 90s, I need to some up with some Better Than Ezra jokes that nobody but me will get.
Stop desperately wanting to make the 90s relevant again.
I still love my 90's grunge. It's in the blood.
As someone who grew up in the 90s, I need to some up with some Better Than Ezra jokes that nobody but me will get.
Stop desperately wanting to make the 90s relevant again.
I still love my 90's grunge. It's in the blood.
I'm booing this, largely because BTE was nowhere close to grunge. There is not enough screaming or growling on either Deluxe or Friction Baby to fall under this label, which I can verify after listening to both albums today thanks to this thread.
As a longtime Seattle resident, I take these things very seriously.
You have a 5/8 chance of getting either a focus or evade result on a given defense die. It's no more fragile than Jake Farrell, especially if you take PTL on Ezra to get an evade token every round. For three more points, you can put a Hull Upgrade on him to give him X-Wing durability. For another four points on top of that, you can give him Chewbacca Crew.I dunno I'm thinking you may be better off keeping the shuttle docked unless the ghosts about to die, you might roll two focus when defending but more likely you won't and its fragile and a low ps.
At 30 points, that's effectively a 3/2/4/3 statline on a PS4 pilot with evade. You could also give him C3PO instead of Chewbacca, which might be even more annoying.
I find your faith in green dice disturbing.
3PO is not as reliable on an Agi 2 ship...but expose makes him viable. Unfortunately that means no evade action so it's basically a wash. EI could work, but we don't know if Ezra wants to take PTL and EU or just Hull until we see the dial. 3PO expose EI would give 4 dice primary/whatever turret and two evades guaranteed. Not too bad.
That is possibly the most insane combo I have ever seen.
Those four cards just have stupid awesome synergy together (Ezra, EI, Expose and CPO). Of course you don't really want to be shot more than once and the 4/5 dice primary attack is probably unmodified. 75% chance of saving 2 damage and a 25% chance of saving 3 damage on turns that you expose is not too bad all things considered (assuming you always evade that is). For a 30 point ship is actually pretty reasonable (could be good friends with Dutch).
Edited by ID X TIt will be weird to see Ezra, Zeb, and Sabine each flying their own attack shuttle in the same squad. Not to mention two VCX-100's. I understand that FFG wouldn't want to make the whole ship unique cuz otherwise, nobody would ever buy two!
I had not considered this possibility until you said it. And the thought pleases me. Attack Shuttle swarm gogogo
And the thought of 2 "ghosts" on the same table makes me ill. 4 in epic? Ummm...
I guess it would be stupid NOT to deploy eventually. Otherwise you're just wasting all of the Phantom's health.
I suspect the most common way to fly this will be similar to how the Nashtah Pup is used. IE., keep it docked until the ship dies/is about to die, and only then deploy it to stretch out your end-game.
Ezra's EPT + crew + ability is going to make him a bit of a monster defense wise. Here are already a lot of options and more defensive options will come. He can already be Soontir stacked defensive (and still has his mid slot open!), watch out.
I guess it would be stupid NOT to deploy eventually. Otherwise you're just wasting all of the Phantom's health.
I suspect the most common way to fly this will be similar to how the Nashtah Pup is used. IE., keep it docked until the ship dies/is about to die, and only then deploy it to stretch out your end-game.
Yeah, but unlike the Pup, the Phantom actually does something for you while it's docked. Shame. But then, the attack shuttle does cost significantly more than 6 points.
I'm booing this, largely because BTE was nowhere close to grunge. There is not enough screaming or growling on either Deluxe or Friction Baby to fall under this label, which I can verify after listening to both albums today thanks to this thread.I still love my 90's grunge. It's in the blood.Stop desperately wanting to make the 90s relevant again.As someone who grew up in the 90s, I need to some up with some Better Than Ezra jokes that nobody but me will get.
As a longtime Seattle resident, I take these things very seriously.
I agree. BTE is as much grunge as Candlebox is. But, it was Grunge that paved the way for bands like BTE to find commercial success.
I'm serious about my music too, but not at the cost of a chance to make a corny joke.
Crew on the Phantom will affect the Ghost, correct?
What happens to the Phantom's pilot ability while it's docked?
Why would the Phantom's crew affect the Ghost?
Crew on the Phantom will affect the Ghost, correct?
What happens to the Phantom's pilot ability while it's docked?
There's no reason to believe that would be the case. As far as we know, barring specific effects (like the Ghost being able to use its rear arc) docked ships are not actually in the game in any way until they are deployed.
Crew on the Phantom will affect the Ghost, correct?
What happens to the Phantom's pilot ability while it's docked?
There's no reason to believe that would be the case. As far as we know, barring specific effects (like the Ghost being able to use its rear arc) docked ships are not actually in the game in any way until they are deployed.
Thanks arnoldrew for clarifying this. The amount of times I've seen people mention they believe this is how the Ghost and Phantom title works...
Is unsettling.
Pardon my ignorance but is this attack shuttle the same as the Phantom that docks with the Ghost?
from the show, yes
otherwise, check the article. The Ghost comes with a pair of titles (0 points) that lets you dock a shuttle to the ghost
otherwise, they're completely different ships and can be included in squads without one another
Gotcha. Thanks!
Crew on the Phantom will affect the Ghost, correct?
What happens to the Phantom's pilot ability while it's docked?
There's no reason to believe that would be the case. As far as we know, barring specific effects (like the Ghost being able to use its rear arc) docked ships are not actually in the game in any way until they are deployed.
Thanks arnoldrew for clarifying this. The amount of times I've seen people mention they believe this is how the Ghost and Phantom title works...
Is unsettling.
To be fair, we aren't going to know one or another until they tell us explicitly or we get the rules insert. It is is entirely possible is might work that way (the Ghost/Phantom title is fairly weak to be honest, so adding a third crew might help) but until we see the rules insert we just won't know.
I happen to think they will do nothing at all (crew and all), but that doesn't mean I am right (because I can always be proved wrong). That is what troubles me about all the people on both sides of the argument speaking in absolutes (only Sith (and sometimes Jedi) deal in absolutes). The truth is we just don't know, so lets just ignore it for the time being till we get more info.
Crew on the Phantom will affect the Ghost, correct?
What happens to the Phantom's pilot ability while it's docked?
There's no reason to believe that would be the case. As far as we know, barring specific effects (like the Ghost being able to use its rear arc) docked ships are not actually in the game in any way until they are deployed.
Thanks arnoldrew for clarifying this. The amount of times I've seen people mention they believe this is how the Ghost and Phantom title works...
Is unsettling.
To be fair, we aren't going to know one or another until they tell us explicitly or we get the rules insert. It is is entirely possible is might work that way (the Ghost/Phantom title is fairly weak to be honest, so adding a third crew might help) but until we see the rules insert we just won't know.
I happen to think they will do nothing at all (crew and all), but that doesn't mean I am right (because I can always be proved wrong). That is what troubles me about all the people on both sides of the argument speaking in absolutes (only Sith (and sometimes Jedi) deal in absolutes). The truth is we just don't know, so lets just ignore it for the time being till we get more info.
Ya I should've explained more clearly that it is unsettling for that very reason. The fact that the card is so unclear to the point that every thread talking about these ships has had this discussion worries me. There will undoubtedly be players who misunderstand the card, and those who take the time to always be up to date on the most recent FAQ will be the only players who know how it really works.
there is nothing about the Ghost card that is unclear
you just have to reference the rules about docking http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Docked_Ships
also deploying http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Deploy
people do tend to over-complicate incredibly simple things, though
Edited by ficklegreendiceIf the abilities of the phantom worked while docked, then howlrunner would just sit docked forever in epic.
Do you really want to face the giant bubble of rerolls with the source that hard to kill?
there is nothing about the Ghost card that is unclear
you just have to reference the rules about docking http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Docked_Ships
also deploying http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Deploy
people do tend to over-complicate incredibly simple things, though
I think the problem here is it makes sense thematically but not in the game..
I don't think anyone would argue that if Kanaan was on the Phantom while it was docked that he couldn't help the other crew members on the Ghost proper from a show/"reality" perspective.
But Fluff != Rules, as much as we may want it to be.
rules > fluff
Kanaan can be doing whatever you want him to, you can even fly a whateverthehellshiptheghostis without actually thinking of it as the Ghost even if it has the Ghost title
ultimately, it's irrelevant to the actual gameplay, which gives you freedom to imagine whatever you like without screwing over game balance. This is especially the case when we don't actually know what paying for the crew member actually does.
For example, a falcon without a gunner can still operate its turret. How? the pilot sure as **** aint shooting it, and yet we're using his PS! So what the hell are those 5 points actually getting us? Is it a wookie, going by the art? Is it a better gunner who can actually shoot things well? is it a gunner manning the bottom turret in addition to the one manning the primary turret?
also, if the Decimator (with a minimum crew of 2, according to wikipedia) has no crew card upgrades...how is it operating? If we bring isane on board, does she have to help with the gear shift? is that how the thing evades?
we will never know
Edited by ficklegreendiceSpecialist or particularly good/well trained gunners instead of random shmucks.
Edited by Wilhelm Screamerspecialists or particularly good/well trained gunners that can't even perform on the level of a cocky kid, apparently
