Can we have some time to digest wave 2?

FFG needs to slow down and wait 6-8 months between release and announcements.

6-8 months are you freaking kidding me? I don't need a new wave every other week, but the current rate at which they release waves is atrociously slow. If its a monetary issue: don't buy them until you are ready. Just don't try to impose that on the people that can afford a new ship every month.

Seriously? Do you have any tact whatsoever? When did I complain about price? You're just gonna troll and assume everyone who has an issue is poor. SMH

Like I said in the first, obviously unread sentence, time to digest; i.e. time to play. Time to play the combos, break the combos, rinse and repeat.

I will be really surprised if we see episode VII stuff in Armada in wave 3.

With X-Wing it was easy as they basically just reskinned it, tweeked the models, damage cards, pilot cards, but the box and what you get (and how it plays) is pretty much the same.

With Armada and releasing a new ship which needs new upgrade cards in a new game system where the balance is a lot more precarious at the moment (being so new) I think that will take a lot more time to factor in then they would have to rush it to tie in with the new movie.

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer. At the time of purchase release schedules and announcements would still happen as normal. However, the further away we get from the sale, the more time the new management has had to change aspects of the FFG business model. Are we seeing a new and different announcement strategy? If so we should look to the new parent to see what they do.

Can we have some time to digest wave 2?

FFG needs to slow down and wait 6-8 months between release and announcements.

Do you realize that it's been 8 months almost to the day, since we've had any new ships announced? That was Wave 2, announced Here. 8 months later it actually comes out. So even if they announce something new today, we probably won't see it until August of next year. Not like they really need to "slow down".

I'm just picking up my Wave 2 stuff this week, but I'd be happy to see the Wave 3 announcement soon. There will be plenty of time to play through 2 before 3 actually arrives.

So here's a random thought that just occurred to me, tied to movie release. While I agree First Order ships are probably coming (and I wouldn't necessarily be adverse to them entering Armada, just like I wouldn't necessarily be adverse to Clone Wars-era ships entering the game--if they're good ships, I'd use them ), there's also a series of anthology movies coming that are set in the Civil War universe. So if Armada's looking to expand its offering of Rebel/Empire ships, perhaps a movie tie-in to that series of films is possible, too.

The recent inclusion of EU ships like the Interdictor in new canon like the novels and Rebels tv show also gives me reason to hope that we'll get some of the cooler EU ships ported over. If the Anthology films give us more of that plus cool new ships like the Raider, I'll be quite happy.

(That said, please don't import the Giraffe into Armada, FFG. Please, please, please...)

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer. At the time of purchase release schedules and announcements would still happen as normal. However, the further away we get from the sale, the more time the new management has had to change aspects of the FFG business model. Are we seeing a new and different announcement strategy? If so we should look to the new parent to see what they do.

I was thinking the same thing. We have no idea what will happen in the next year with this considering who might take them over.

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer. At the time of purchase release schedules and announcements would still happen as normal. However, the further away we get from the sale, the more time the new management has had to change aspects of the FFG business model. Are we seeing a new and different announcement strategy? If so we should look to the new parent to see what they do.

Seriously though who bought FFG?

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer. At the time of purchase release schedules and announcements would still happen as normal. However, the further away we get from the sale, the more time the new management has had to change aspects of the FFG business model. Are we seeing a new and different announcement strategy? If so we should look to the new parent to see what they do.

Was it Disney?

Seriously though who bought FFG?

They merged with Asmodee. In November of 2014 so I don't see the relevance.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/11/17/fantasy-flight-games-to-merge-into-the-asmodee-group-tm/

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer.

Asmodee, isn't actually taking over FFG, they merged with them so they'd have a larger presence in the US. Christian Petersen is still the head of FFG and Asmodee isn't going to interfere with what FFG does as long as it continues to make a ton of money.

I think that after how long it took to get Wave 1 and 2 out, they're going to make sure Wave 3 won't take 8+ months to get to stores after it's announced.

According to one FFG source, wave 4 was in the planning stages by Worlds. By that, we can assume that planning for wave 3 started during the creation process for wave 2. Most likely, before it even went into production.

I would love to know what the internal process is for any given wave.

I also wouldn't rule out an aces pack. One modified version of a small or medium ship, but with new title cards for everything in that faction.

Can we have some time to digest wave 2?

FFG needs to slow down and wait 6-8 months between release and announcements.

And also announce them closer to the point of shipping them!

I personally don't want to have to keep buying new waves of ships 2-3 times a year just to "keep up" with the meta. I also don't see the need to. It makes good business sense, but there is enough variety already for plenty of different builds and fleets.

One of the things that has turned me off of X-Wing is the sheer number of ships, upgrades, etc., necessary to "keep up with the Joneses." And it has less to do with the cost and more to do with the depth of what's already out there--I don't get enough chances to fully explore the X-Wing ships that I have before the next wave comes out.

Hahaha!

You kill me!

I'm expecting nothing from FFG at this point related to Armada. I think the time to tie the game into the movie on release has come and gone. There is no incentive to pimp movie product after it releases purposely.

well, are reasoning is that they are not allowed to talk about the ships they are using in wave 3 (thanks Disney) so they have to wait for the movie to release

So, its cool and all to talk about FO TIEs and T-70s in X-Wing, but not in Armada..?

I feel it'd be an all-or-nothing thing.

Both of these ships have appeared on screen already. (previews only, but still. Not ruining anything for release day)

I suppose they could announce the Finilizer, but, assuming they aren't allowed to spoil anything, they wouldn't be able to do much else. No other ships, and only limited officer and admiral information.

Hahaha!

You kill me!

I'm expecting nothing from FFG at this point related to Armada. I think the time to tie the game into the movie on release has come and gone. There is no incentive to pimp movie product after it releases purposely.

well, are reasoning is that they are not allowed to talk about the ships they are using in wave 3 (thanks Disney) so they have to wait for the movie to release

So, its cool and all to talk about FO TIEs and T-70s in X-Wing, but not in Armada..?

I feel it'd be an all-or-nothing thing.

Both of these ships have appeared on screen already. (previews only, but still. Not ruining anything for release day)

I suppose they could announce the Finilizer, but, assuming they aren't allowed to spoil anything, they wouldn't be able to do much else. No other ships, and only limited officer and admiral information.

According to one FFG source, wave 4 was in the planning stages by Worlds. By that, we can assume that planning for wave 3 started during the creation process for wave 2. Most likely, before it even went into production.

I would love to know what the internal process is for any given wave.

I also wouldn't rule out an aces pack. One modified version of a small or medium ship, but with new title cards for everything in that faction.

Ace Victory with speed 3 please! Or another gladiator and Neb titles

One thing I thought of last night - shield dials go to 6. If the shield-happy Mon Cals only go to 4, what sort of behemoth warrants six?

Has anyone else heard the rumor that the resistance has a "secret weapon" starship that they built to take on the imperial holdouts. If such a ship is in Episode 7 it could explain why they have held off on an announcement. (If you want to know more; Google: Resistance "Sledgehammer")

Maybe wave 3 will just be 2 new episode 7 ships. They could have announced the finalizer, but that would have raised questions regarding why there aren't resistance, or even rebel ships to go with it.

There has been a lot of word going around that episode 7 is chock full of secrets.... Any one of them could be the reason they haven't announced.

If wave 3 isn't going to be Episode 7, why not announce already? They have had so many opportunities. And if they are working on wave 4 already, it begs the question even more. If there is some aspect of wave 3 that doesn't involve Ep 7, then why not tell us already?

There has been a lot of word going around that episode 7 is chock full of secrets.... Any one of them could be the reason they haven't announced.

That's just JJ Abrams and his silly "Mystery Box". I go see a movie because it's good, not for some plot point I could look up on Wikipedia.

According to one FFG source, wave 4 was in the planning stages by Worlds. By that, we can assume that planning for wave 3 started during the creation process for wave 2. Most likely, before it even went into production.

I would love to know what the internal process is for any given wave.

I also wouldn't rule out an aces pack. One modified version of a small or medium ship, but with new title cards for everything in that faction.

Ace Victory with speed 3 please! Or another gladiator and Neb titles

One thing I thought of last night - shield dials go to 6. If the shield-happy Mon Cals only go to 4, what sort of behemoth warrants six?

I'm going out on a limb here. We will never see a ship with 6 shields printed on its card.

What we MAY see, is a defensive retrofit that gives +1, or maybe even +2 shields to one particular sector. The 6 gives FFG plenty of wiggle room when it comes to giving out extra abilities.

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer. At the time of purchase release schedules and announcements would still happen as normal. However, the further away we get from the sale, the more time the new management has had to change aspects of the FFG business model. Are we seeing a new and different announcement strategy? If so we should look to the new parent to see what they do.

Was it Disney?

Seriously though who bought FFG?

They merged with Asmodee. In November of 2014 so I don't see the relevance.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/11/17/fantasy-flight-games-to-merge-into-the-asmodee-group-tm/

Then it appears you've never been part of a merger. Before the merger all sorts of promises are made to the public that nothing will change. After merger, things change. It's a fact of life. They made a business decision that combined the two companies would be more profitable and efficient because they could share certain resources. That doesn't happen without change. Once the sharing starts, all sorts of unintended consequences happen. Those changes don't usually happen day 2. They happen day 100, day 300, day 500. But sooner or later the boss gets to making things more "uniform". I recently talked to an accountant for ESPN. It's taken Disney a while, but they've made Disney, ABC, and ESPN processes more compatible with each other. Why? Because they're one company and can share resources to take advantage of scale.

Would the FFG marketing policies change due to merger? I don't know. But its possible. They certainly are not following their normal pattern at the moment. We can only speculate as to why. The merger was a possibility no one had brought up so I shared it.

This reminds me of the forum exchange I had back in Sept with someone who couldn't believe that Wave 2 could be delayed by the Ep 7 X-wing release and they swore up and down that product would hit the shelves 2 weeks after Sullust.

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer. At the time of purchase release schedules and announcements would still happen as normal. However, the further away we get from the sale, the more time the new management has had to change aspects of the FFG business model. Are we seeing a new and different announcement strategy? If so we should look to the new parent to see what they do.

Was it Disney?

Seriously though who bought FFG?

They merged with Asmodee. In November of 2014 so I don't see the relevance.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/11/17/fantasy-flight-games-to-merge-into-the-asmodee-group-tm/

Then it appears you've never been part of a merger. Before the merger all sorts of promises are made to the public that nothing will change. After merger, things change. It's a fact of life. They made a business decision that combined the two companies would be more profitable and efficient because they could share certain resources. That doesn't happen without change. Once the sharing starts, all sorts of unintended consequences happen. Those changes don't usually happen day 2. They happen day 100, day 300, day 500. But sooner or later the boss gets to making things more "uniform". I recently talked to an accountant for ESPN. It's taken Disney a while, but they've made Disney, ABC, and ESPN processes more compatible with each other. Why? Because they're one company and can share resources to take advantage of scale.

Would the FFG marketing policies change due to merger? I don't know. But its possible. They certainly are not following their normal pattern at the moment. We can only speculate as to why. The merger was a possibility no one had brought up so I shared it.

This reminds me of the forum exchange I had back in Sept with someone who couldn't believe that Wave 2 could be delayed by the Ep 7 X-wing release and they swore up and down that product would hit the shelves 2 weeks after Sullust.

If it as you think caused by the merger I think this would have happened a lot sooner and I don't think they are related at all.

You are of course free to your opinion as am I but that is all either of us has as we are not party to the particulars of the agreement between Asmodee and FFG nor will we be.

Hahaha!

You kill me!

I'm expecting nothing from FFG at this point related to Armada. I think the time to tie the game into the movie on release has come and gone. There is no incentive to pimp movie product after it releases purposely.

well, are reasoning is that they are not allowed to talk about the ships they are using in wave 3 (thanks Disney) so they have to wait for the movie to release

So, its cool and all to talk about FO TIEs and T-70s in X-Wing, but not in Armada..?

I feel it'd be an all-or-nothing thing.

Those (and the First Order Finalizer Class SD) have already been announced through the trailers. But there have been no Rebel/Resistance ships shown at all aside from the Falcon and those X-Wings. It's possible that such ships won't appear until a crucial scene.

Actually, the thing everybody is forgetting is that FFG was bought over the summer. At the time of purchase release schedules and announcements would still happen as normal. However, the further away we get from the sale, the more time the new management has had to change aspects of the FFG business model. Are we seeing a new and different announcement strategy? If so we should look to the new parent to see what they do.

Was it Disney?

Seriously though who bought FFG?

They merged with Asmodee. In November of 2014 so I don't see the relevance.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/11/17/fantasy-flight-games-to-merge-into-the-asmodee-group-tm/

Then it appears you've never been part of a merger. Before the merger all sorts of promises are made to the public that nothing will change. After merger, things change. It's a fact of life. They made a business decision that combined the two companies would be more profitable and efficient because they could share certain resources. That doesn't happen without change. Once the sharing starts, all sorts of unintended consequences happen. Those changes don't usually happen day 2. They happen day 100, day 300, day 500. But sooner or later the boss gets to making things more "uniform". I recently talked to an accountant for ESPN. It's taken Disney a while, but they've made Disney, ABC, and ESPN processes more compatible with each other. Why? Because they're one company and can share resources to take advantage of scale.

Would the FFG marketing policies change due to merger? I don't know. But its possible. They certainly are not following their normal pattern at the moment. We can only speculate as to why. The merger was a possibility no one had brought up so I shared it.

This reminds me of the forum exchange I had back in Sept with someone who couldn't believe that Wave 2 could be delayed by the Ep 7 X-wing release and they swore up and down that product would hit the shelves 2 weeks after Sullust.

If it as you think caused by the merger I think this would have happened a lot sooner and I don't think they are related at all.

You are of course free to your opinion as am I but that is all either of us has as we are not party to the particulars of the agreement between Asmodee and FFG nor will we be.

It doesn't appear to have affected any of their other product lines. FFG has a history of announcing the next wave before the newest release hits shelves. You will see it in X-Wing release, Imperial Assault releases, even Armada releases up to wave 2. It's the same with their non Star Wars products as well. The lack of a wave 3 announcement is an aberration.

My tin-foil hat side would say what happened is Disney came to FFG mid summer and said, "hey, your product is selling great we want you to help push episode 7 merch. Here are some new fighters you can put in X-Wing, and some other stuff you can't talk about till after the new movie is out."

And FFG thought, "Awesome! But wait, here is some cool stuff for Armada. We're in the middle of putting out wave 2. We can't squeeze another wave in before we need to work on the Episode 7 stuff. If we release Wave 2 at the end of summer there will be a huge delay before the next wave can be announced, and we'll risk gamers losing interest in the system without some kind of support. I know, let's push Wave 2 back till November so the delay will be lessened, and there will be less drop off due to lack of new news."

I'm not saying this DID happen... Just that it maybe could have.

I'm not ready for E7 stuff! I still need a liberty and af1 our maybe a neb variant.