Buying my first two core sets...

By lunimus, in X-Wing

I walked past the shiny models in Barnes & Noble, did my research on the game and found a local comic shop that stocks the full lineup and has a small player base. More importantly, I've managed to drum up excitement in a half dozen friends to try the game out. Since we're in deer season/finals/holidays/ sisters wedding... I probably won't pick it up for a few more weeks, but I had a question about the core sets.

I'm taking the Internet's advice to buy a second core set. In addition to the value, I will be the rosy of my friends to play and I feel it's important to be able to field a fun battle to cast the vision for what it could be if we all got on board. I don't want to new core sets. In addition to the nostalgia factor offered from the old, I want to experience the fun of growing my own fleet. This is why I'm passing on an opportunity to buy 2 slightly used core sets and 8 expansions for $100 on Craigslist. I want to go it slow and enjoy it. Other thank the new damage deck (I don't see myself playing tournament any time soon outside of my buddies living room) and upgraded ships and pilots (I don't see any f us buying any of the newer ships anytime soon) is there any pressing reason someone like me needs to opt for the new core sets?

My goal is to have fun and cast a vision for some friends to buy into the game. I think that will be best accomplished with the iconic core sets. Any thoughts?

For just starting out, I really don't think it is going to make much difference. If you can get two older sets for cheaper than two new sets... go for it. Otherwise, buy the new ones and start learning. 6 months from now what is going to matter is how you have learned to fly those first ships. By then you will have started to see what some ships can do and what some ships cannot. And you will have a mad frenzy for trying things out and figuring out how to get the other three cards you need to try out a wild hair.

What you are going to get in the two sets (of either flavor) is a viable damage deck, which is essential (and a spare, or one to give someone else), two sets of dice which is baseline essential if you don't want to use the app... and though I have the app, rolling dice is just so much more fun, enough asteroids to start thinking about playing Epic games (which you won't be able to for a while) and a whole lot of tokens and basic cards. You'll have to figure out how you are going to handle your storage and this is enough that you can't squeeze it all into one box and you will start making decisions (good luck!).

The biggest difference is going to be the dials on the ships. The old set did not have the fancy red maneuvers (segnor's loop and tallon roll), which probably makes the older sets easier to learn, but there is nothing wrong with diving in and learning all the maneuvers at once. You can get into a lot of arguments about what is better, but in the end, you're going to have to spend some time at the table with the miniatures to know what is going to be what you like to play. Dual core sets is still the best way to get there... and the flavor really won't matter much for very long. All too soon you'll be needing more models to field something new and different. Take the plunge with what is available and get your feet wet in maneuvering and running over rocks and smacking into other ships so you can figure out what people really mean about flying.

Take both the old and the new. This way you'll have more options to toy with.

If you have a bro to play with, slowly buy newer and newer waves, gradually you'll understand the game, learn to play simple, and steadily see new shenanigans to be used.

No need to buy a shitton of expansions and never get to use half of them

If you are getting a SECOND core set, I'd easily suggest getting 1 of each. Different ships, different pilots, and stuff you can't get anywhere else. Original Core has Luke, Biggs, and R2-D2. Force Awakens has BB-8 and Poe. Both are good buys. Then you'll also have 12 dice!

I'd absolutely buy one of each unless you can get 2 of the old set at a notable discount over the new.

I agree with the above. I cannot see any reason to buy multiples of either core set anymore. Either one of each core set or just use that extra to buy some other ships.

You guys have been really helpful. I'll buy a new core set from the local shop to test it out and I'll probably pick up that craigslist offer too and break them out slowly. The deal is too good to pass up, 2 core sets and 8 expansions in a single carrier for $100.

Can I use the original Luke in a new x wing? Can I use the older x wing models on the board with the newership cards? Maybe I'll just paint my blue x wing red...

the T-70 X-wing and the "X-wing" are completely different ships, treat them as such (so no, Luke gets ye ole X-wing and ye ole X-wing cannot be the shiney new X-wing and vice versa). the two X-wings only share a similar name, and the fact that they can both take X-wing Only upgrades (Integrated Astromech, coming soon!)

You can fly them together on the same table without issue, because the generational difference doesn't mean **** in this game. They're just two distinct, different ships; the same as flying tie fighters with interceptors etc.

the T-70 is shinier, but it's actually horribly inefficient even compared to the old X-wing. Apart from Poe, none of them have taken off yet (because they're expensive and shatter like glass). Luke is as tough as old leather, even in the old X-wing and even without Integrated.

both the T-70 and original X-wing eagerly await Targeting Astromech and Integrated astromech (coming in the T-70 expac), except for Poe who is just monstrous with his ability + auto-thrusters.

Once they're both out, it becomes a question of whether or not you want an efficient ship (the generic X-wing with integrated is actually very solid) or a more mobile elite ship (t-70 with its boost, and especially Red Squadron veteran with its ept) or a specific pilot ability (apart from Poe, none of the T-70 pilot abilities impress, whereas the X-wings have guys like Biggs)

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I'd also do the two different core sets. The Craigslist deal is also good, you can always break them out slowly.

Having been a person that grew up with the internet, doing things in chronological order has merit! You'll have a different view of the game if you do it as you like, slowly and introducing ships in "order". However, knowing where they are headed (S-Loops, etc) is good as well. Fly a 4X list if you can, try a TIE Swarm if that deal has enough. You can also use a list builder to slowly put in your collection and see options. I like this one:

http://xwing-builder.co.uk/build

Most of all, have fun as you discover this game, you don't get that chance often enough :)

Welcome to the hobby. Enjoy the slow introduction as you'll soon want more of everything and want it yesterday! :D

Just to second, one of each core set is great for the more diverse options and less duplicates.

List butlers such as the one above are great for seeing how things go together and what expansions things come in and what they all are. Finally check out YouTube for loads of videos of the game being played.

Thanks everyone.

I will buy a new core set and dink around with it, my friend has agreed to pick up one as well and we'll use just these to get familiar with movement. Ive scheduled to pickup that craigslist ad before Christmas, so we'll have plenty of time to learn the basics of movement and invite some friends to test out our core sets.

I'm interested in flying 4x, falcon x and I really want to find something creative with a wings.

Thanks everyone.

No, thank you for informing everyone there's a good deal for a fuckton of ships.

There were two good arguments for picking up two copies of the old core set: you get double the 'goodies' and you get more TIE Fighters for your squadrons. Now with the two different core sets the only reason to get two old ones instead of one of each is because that is often the most efficient way to increase your TIE Fighter numbers when you want to run more than three of them.

My goal is to have fun and cast a vision for some friends to buy into the game. ... Any thoughts?

That is a good goal.

Welcome to the support group.

There were two good arguments for picking up two copies of the old core set: you get double the 'goodies' and you get more TIE Fighters for your squadrons. Now with the two different core sets the only reason to get two old ones instead of one of each is because that is often the most efficient way to increase your TIE Fighter numbers when you want to run more than three of them.

And with the Gozanti about to hit, even that seems dubious to me.

If your just starting 1 of each is the way to go saves throwing away alot of duplicate cardboard you'll never need.

I luke bigs and poe are all worth having and the original core has some great tie pilots.

There were two good arguments for picking up two copies of the old core set: you get double the 'goodies' and you get more TIE Fighters for your squadrons. Now with the two different core sets the only reason to get two old ones instead of one of each is because that is often the most efficient way to increase your TIE Fighter numbers when you want to run more than three of them.

And with the Gozanti about to hit, even that seems dubious to me.

It was only really a no brainer when you also wanted the additional X-Wing. Back when it was common to run 3-4, it made a lot of sense. These days the 2 you have from buying the Core set and the single expansion for Wedge is probably plenty, but if you really want a third, the Rebel Transport is probably worth considering. At this point I only recommend the second core set if you're building a TIE Swarm AND want 4 standard X-Wings.

When you look at dollars and cents, two core sets is not bad, especially if you are wanting to try and get others to play. As most small ships are $15 each, the core set ships are $13.33 each or even cheaper if you take off the price of a second set of dice. Cardboard maneuver templates may not have a lot of wow factor, but compared to buying acrylics, having a second set so you aren't sharing is a very good thing.

If you already have a good scene and you are just trying to get ships and go because everyone is ahead of you, I'll buy that two core sets may not be the best way to go anymore. If you are trying to teach other people how to play, the second core set is a very very good value.

There were two good arguments for picking up two copies of the old core set: you get double the 'goodies' and you get more TIE Fighters for your squadrons. Now with the two different core sets the only reason to get two old ones instead of one of each is because that is often the most efficient way to increase your TIE Fighter numbers when you want to run more than three of them.

And with the Gozanti about to hit, even that seems dubious to me.

It was only really a no brainer when you also wanted the additional X-Wing. Back when it was common to run 3-4, it made a lot of sense. These days the 2 you have from buying the Core set and the single expansion for Wedge is probably plenty, but if you really want a third, the Rebel Transport is probably worth considering. At this point I only recommend the second core set if you're building a TIE Swarm AND want 4 standard X-Wings.

I could have mentioned buying the second core was originally a way to increase the number of X-Wings but outside of epic (maybe) how often does one see three X-Wings in a squadron much less four? When it comes to the X-Wing you want the core, expansion, and probably the transport to get the pilots and upgrade which leaves you with three X-Wings which is generally plenty.

I also agree that the Gozanti bringing in a couple more TIE Fighters, assuming Academy Pilots are among them at least, will cut the number of TIEs a person otherwise wants to run a full swarm. I haven't wanted to try a full swarm so I was happy stuck at five TIE Fighters but once the Gozanti comes those seven TIE squadrons become possible.

I walked past the shiny models in Barnes & Noble, did my research on the game and found a local comic shop that stocks the full lineup and has a small player base. More importantly, I've managed to drum up excitement in a half dozen friends to try the game out. Since we're in deer season/finals/holidays/ sisters wedding... I probably won't pick it up for a few more weeks, but I had a question about the core sets.

I'm taking the Internet's advice to buy a second core set. In addition to the value, I will be the rosy of my friends to play and I feel it's important to be able to field a fun battle to cast the vision for what it could be if we all got on board. I don't want to new core sets. In addition to the nostalgia factor offered from the old, I want to experience the fun of growing my own fleet. This is why I'm passing on an opportunity to buy 2 slightly used core sets and 8 expansions for $100 on Craigslist. I want to go it slow and enjoy it. Other thank the new damage deck (I don't see myself playing tournament any time soon outside of my buddies living room) and upgraded ships and pilots (I don't see any f us buying any of the newer ships anytime soon) is there any pressing reason someone like me needs to opt for the new core sets?

My goal is to have fun and cast a vision for some friends to buy into the game. I think that will be best accomplished with the iconic core sets. Any thoughts?

At this point, if you're getting a good deal of about 50% off on used stuff, its fine.

At this point, you're also better off getting 1old core 1 new core if youre gonna get 2 cores, and youre starting the game.

One new, One old, welcome to the game!

I really like your approach of taking it slow - I tried that but ended up being a glutton and have ships that I still haven't tried and really don't know how to use (yet), so I think your slowly but surely approach is spot on.

Assuming it works ;)

I think it's interesting that nobody's commented on your statement that you're hoping to "cast a vision" for your friends. It sounds like you've decided what to buy already, but I want to assure you that a modest collection (even with only one core set) can cast a pretty good vision for the game (I ran a furball-style game- 1-2 ships per person @ ~32 points per player- for a group of friends and most of them had a good time).

Good luck, have fun, and don't buy more than your enthusiasm can handle!

I too have recently joined the hobby, and I'm already in love. I bought the new core set, and have since added a K-Wing, Y-Wing and B-Wing to my collection.

I've been tossing up grabbing a second core set, though there are so many other pretty things begging me to spend money on them. The Outrider, for one!

I too have recently joined the hobby, and I'm already in love. I bought the new core set, and have since added a K-Wing, Y-Wing and B-Wing to my collection.

I've been tossing up grabbing a second core set, though there are so many other pretty things begging me to spend money on them. The Outrider, for one!

Go with your gut. If you particularly like the Outrider, do it. It's an amazing ship with all the pilots being decent to great.