Obstacle tokens with painted edges: not tournament legal?

By dewbie420, in X-Wing Rules Questions

I've painted all the edges on my obstacle tokens with black hobby paint. It helps me identify them as well as they just look good to me.

I was told that they are not legal in a tournament since the rules state that obstacle tokens cannot be modified in any way.

Would this be a problem with anyone? I thinks it should be OK unless my opponent is a meanie.

I've inked all of my obstacles and seen many other people at tourneys who have done so.

In fact, it almost seems to be getting to the point that having your obstacles inked in black on the sides makes it HARDER to identify which are yours since so many people do that. I'm tempted to redo mine in another color.

In the tournament guide it specifically says that players may mark components to indicate ownership.

I was told that they are not legal in a tournament since the rules state that obstacle tokens cannot be modified in any way.

I'd ask them to point out that rule to you. Because I can't find it, in fact the rules say exactly the opposite of what that person is claiming... As a general rule, anytime someone tells you something is in the rules and it doesn't make sense. Ask them to show you where it says that in the rules. Because quite often as in this case they are simply wrong.

What the rules say is "Players may mark asteroids and debris fields to indicate ownership, but

cannot otherwise alter them in any way." Page 4 bottom right section, bullet point #5 under Component Modifications, in the v322.pdf.

The single best way to mark them for ownership is to paint the edge some color.

Most people here put a small round sticker with their initials on it here seems to work fine

I was told that they are not legal in a tournament since the rules state that obstacle tokens cannot be modified in any way.

I'd ask them to point out that rule to you. Because I can't find it, in fact the rules say exactly the opposite of what that person is claiming... As a general rule, anytime someone tells you something is in the rules and it doesn't make sense. Ask them to show you where it says that in the rules. Because quite often as in this case they are simply wrong.What the rules say is "Players may mark asteroids and debris fields to indicate ownership, butcannot otherwise alter them in any way." Page 4 bottom right section, bullet point #5 under Component Modifications, in the v322.pdf.The single best way to mark them for ownership is to paint the edge some color.

"Asteroids and other obstacles may not be modified in any way."

I'm assuming that he is using an old version of the rules. I will.double check this before I respond to him.

Edited by dewbie420

And sure enough... he was wrong. I dont need a new set of rocks.for tournaments...

Thanks for the clarification!

I've painted all the edges on my obstacle tokens with black hobby paint. It helps me identify them as well as they just look good to me.

I was told that they are not legal in a tournament since the rules state that obstacle tokens cannot be modified in any way.

Would this be a problem with anyone? I thinks it should be OK unless my opponent is a meanie.

Just tell him you wrote your name on the edge (which you're allowed to do), but the ink bled and turned the whole edge black. ;)

And sure enough... he was wrong.

Was it a old version of the rules? Because at one point you used one person's set of asteroids so there was no need to mark them. I don't remember that rule myself, but I tend to purge old rules from memory when they no longer matter. :)

I have stickers on mine as well

And sure enough... he was wrong.

Was it a old version of the rules? Because at one point you used one person's set of asteroids so there was no need to mark them. I don't remember that rule myself, but I tend to purge old rules from memory when they no longer matter. :)

That's how it read in older versions of the tournament rules. It took a version or two after changing the obstacle placing rules for the rules on marking obstacles to catch up.

If in doubt, ask the TO beforehand.

I think the big lesson here is that a TO or Judge needs to make sure they have a "current" copy of the rules before they play the role.

Myself, I lug around a binder with the printed rules and before each tournament I check with the FFG page to make sure all rules are up to date.

I think the big lesson here is that a TO or Judge needs to make sure they have a "current" copy of the rules before they play the role.

Myself, I lug around a binder with the printed rules and before each tournament I check with the FFG page to make sure all rules are up to date.

While I generally agree, I think it is worth noting that if this was changed (as it appears to have been) it would be easy for someone who had a current copy to simply quote it incorrectly since at one time the standard was no modifying them.

Having a rule and then reversing it later is much more likely to be misquoted than having a new rule entirely.

That said, he was obviously incorrect in this case. Hopefully someone notifies him that the rules were changed.

If any TO pulled that sort of crap I'd flip a table (literally) and leave.

If any TO pulled that sort of crap I'd flip a table (literally) and leave.

It'd be more entertaining to flip the TO. ;)