Hello,

I personally think that X17 turbolasers are undercosted by 2 points (they should cost 8). I plan on playing casual games with them coating 8. What are people's thoughts on this? Are they undercosted, or are they costed correctly?

Hello,

I personally think that X17 turbolasers are undercosted by 2 points (they should cost 8). I plan on playing casual games with them coating 8. What are people's thoughts on this? Are they undercosted, or are they costed correctly?

Considering that you need (against a ship with a brace and redirect) at least 5 damage to make them worthwhile I think they are fine.

Thank math works out to 5 damage then braced to 3 then redirect 1 so 2 damage to the target hull zone.

Now while some may argue 4 damage is what you need on average in the end, with 4 damage you are only doing 1 damage and 1 redirected.

Now of you can negate the brace, then 3 damage is what you need but this becomes a little harder unless Home One is used.

In the end, 6 points is great for an upgrade that does nothing if the ship has no shields or no redirect.

I've both had them used against me and used them. The only time I feel that they come into play is if you manage to get a larger hit against a ship that has a Redirect token. If you're paving through VSDs and GSDs I can see why you say it's undercosted. But if you're fighting, say, an Offensive ISD that's been burning it's redirects to pump out more damage, then it's more of a waste of points than anything else. It's all about what type of fleet your opponent brings to the table. If they frequently rely on Redirects (Like myself and my VSDs), then it can feel a little bit of an auto-include. However, if they lack redirects, or couldn't particularly care, then it's a bit of a waste. So, I guess what i'm saying is that it's all a matter of perspective.

TL;DR: Whether XI7s are "worth their cost" or not is a subjective matter that relies on experience.

They're incredibly cost-effective when you're throwing out big damage on ships with redirect, but against others that don't under this category, they're not that great. For example, shooting at Nebs for them is strictly worse than HTTs.

Hello,

I personally think that X17 turbolasers are undercosted by 2 points (they should cost 8). I plan on playing casual games with them coating 8. What are people's thoughts on this? Are they undercosted, or are they costed correctly?

First of all, it's "XI7" (Ecks-eye-seven), not X-17

That said, I think they're "costed" well. They aren't THAT great, overall. Sure, they make redirect heavy ships like Star Destroyers cry a little bit, but you really need more than one copy to start laying on a whole lot of pain.

If you've got XI7s on one ship, that ship is likely to be focused down, so you have to consider the cost of multiples as the reasonable base cost. I can think of a LOT of comparable upgrades at a similar price point that I'd take over XI7, and in my mind, unless something becomes an "auto include" it can't possibly be undercost of poorly balanced.

Man, just wait until the Heavy Turbolasers start tearing people up. Brace is the most effective token in the game, so there are a lot of folk who will think twice before even TRYING to redirect against HTT.

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It come back again to the initial launch of the game - with the Victory SD dominating the core set, most imperial players run one, and with its 2 redirects, XI7's are created to be it's specific weakness. At the moment, its the crutch that the rebels needed in wave 1 to be really competitive, but as wave 2 drops I think we will see far more combinations that will weaken its usefulness, and in wave 3, I would expect to see even more so - through new ships that use less redirects and other tempting turbolaser upgrades. Like anything in Armada I think you need a long term view point, It might seem too cheap or effective now, but it might not be that way in a couple of waves time.

It come back again to the initial launch of the game - with the Victory SD dominating the core set, most imperial players run one, and with its 2 redirects, XI7's are created to be it's specific weakness. At the moment, its the crutch that the rebels needed in wave 1 to be really competitive, but as wave 2 drops I think we will see far more combinations that will weaken its usefulness, and in wave 3, I would expect to see even more so - through new ships that use less redirects and other tempting turbolaser upgrades. Like anything in Armada I think you need a long term view point, It might seem too cheap or effective now, but it might not be that way in a couple of waves time.

This.

XI7s won't do anything to stop a Raider from charging up on you and unloading a dump-truck of pain, which is going to start being a topic of some concern in the coming weeks.

It come back again to the initial launch of the game - with the Victory SD dominating the core set, most imperial players run one, and with its 2 redirects, XI7's are created to be it's specific weakness. At the moment, its the crutch that the rebels needed in wave 1 to be really competitive, but as wave 2 drops I think we will see far more combinations that will weaken its usefulness, and in wave 3, I would expect to see even more so - through new ships that use less redirects and other tempting turbolaser upgrades. Like anything in Armada I think you need a long term view point, It might seem too cheap or effective now, but it might not be that way in a couple of waves time.

If a card is going to completely shut down another card AND still be relevant in other situations it should cost more than the card it shuts down. How bout that.

If a card is going to completely shut down another card AND still be relevant in other situations it should cost more than the card it shuts down. How bout that.

Pardon me, I'll just be over here on my Defensive Retrofit-less Star Destroyers not even recognizing that Advanced Projectors exists.

Pretty sure ISD II can take em. Even if it can't. Triangles have more HP than anything in the game. it will be okay

Pretty sure ISD II can take em. Even if it can't. Triangles have more HP than anything in the game. it will be okay

Its the first Imperial ship that can, and wether or not it will is still another matter...

APs on the ISD2 are still worth it against XI7s. Lets you get the damage onto the rear shield.

APs on the ISD2 are still worth it against XI7s. Lets you get the damage onto the rear shield.

Regardless, this current change in rules about XI7 Turbolasers vs Advanced Projectors is beyond the point.

Pretty sure ISD II can take em. Even if it can't. Triangles have more HP than anything in the game. it will be okay

I have a difficult time justifying any Def. Retrofit *but* ECMs on the ISD II.

Keeping that Brace available is key, and it's going to be difficult enough surviving with HTT sporting rebel broadsiders taking the field, not to mention Nym and NK-7s.

Get ready for the age of Ackbar. These are dark days we live in, Imperial brethren.

The only upgrade that is underpriced imho is Intel Officer. I know its meant to counter ECM but that upgrade is just too nasty on high damage ships vs any ship with a single brace (i.e. most ships). And possibly Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7 points for an on average 1.25 damage increase at the cost of an evade, while Slaved Turrets costs 6 and only adds 0.75 damage on average at the heavy cost of only being able to fire from one arc...) Overall though the balance between upgrades is quite well done.

APs on the ISD2 are still worth it against XI7s. Lets you get the damage onto the rear shield.

Electronic Countermeasures are far better than Advanced Projectors at the moment.

Regardless, this current change in rules about XI7 Turbolasers vs Advanced Projectors is beyond the point.

In the context of the thread it is kind of exactly the point

I argue that its overcosted, by the fact that it only comes in Nebulon-B Expansions...

... and I love Nebulon-Bs...

They're incredibly cost-effective when you're throwing out big damage on ships with redirect, but against others that don't under this category, they're not that great. For example, shooting at Nebs for them is strictly worse than HTTs.

Actually, the neb will likely just chose to brace. Then the HTTs have no effect and are in the same position as XI7.

Pretty sure ISD II can take em. Even if it can't. Triangles have more HP than anything in the game. it will be okay

I have a difficult time justifying any Def. Retrofit *but* ECMs on the ISD II.

Keeping that Brace available is key, and it's going to be difficult enough surviving with HTT sporting rebel broadsiders taking the field, not to mention Nym and NK-7s.

Get ready for the age of Ackbar. These are dark days we live in, Imperial brethren.

For my money Mothma is still my go to. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not really hurting for more red dice over here.

They're incredibly cost-effective when you're throwing out big damage on ships with redirect, but against others that don't under this category, they're not that great. For example, shooting at Nebs for them is strictly worse than HTTs.

Actually, the neb will likely just chose to brace. Then the HTTs have no effect and are in the same position as XI7.

Dig this:

Long/medium range: Neb has evade and brace

vs XI7: can brace and evade without triggering effect

vs HTT: can brace OR evade without triggering, but not both

Long/medium range: advantage HTT

Close range: Neb has only brace

vs XI7: brace only, no effect

vs HTT: brace only, no effect

Close range: no advantage

Against the Neb, HTT is better than XI7 at anything over close range, so he's right: it is strictly better, in that it's not quite completely useless, whereas XI7 is.

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