The Inevitable Force-Sensitive "Latecomer" Jedi Conversation

By GreyMatter, in Game Masters

Begs the question: were people so impressed and surprised? We get that sense from the OT because the point of view is from within the small band of the main characters. Also, even at their height, most people never saw a Jedi. But I doubt the leadership of the Rebellion was so unaware, most of them would have lived through the Clone Wars. I think Rebels is showing that there was a lot more interactivity and awareness than we expected, and there's really nothing in the OT that precludes it.

You would expect, however, with people like Hera, Kanan and Ahsoka around they might have played a larger role in the whole assault on the Death Star, or the second death star. Rather than Lando in the Falcon, Hera leading the charge would totally make sense there.

That's a pretty big leap. Rebels takes place some 5 years before the Battle of Yavin, and the Battle of Endor takes place 4 years after that again. Lots of things could have happened to the crew of the Ghost in those five and nine years to account for why they weren't there.

Begs the second question: why did anything have to happen to them? I think you guys are suffering from "Small Galaxy Syndrome" :) One of the things I think Rebels is *intentionally* doing (and will continue to do) is expand the universe beyond what we knew in the OT. I don't just mean the cast of characters, but the entire scope of the Imperial reach and the Rebel effort. Sure, maybe the OT story was the key story -- because of the whole "Chosen One Brings Balance" theme and the eventual death of the Emperor -- but it was only one of many. The galaxy is huge, and there would have to have been multiple, simultaneous, and even unrelated Rebel efforts going on all the time. Hera and crew could have been doing something extremely important on the other side of the galaxy. Or maybe, given Kanan's reservations about the military nature of the Rebels, after Alderaan they might have decided to lay low and stick to doing good in a smaller way..."think galacticly, act locally" if you will.

tl;dr - not every story has to be tied to the OT, and there's nothing unreasonable about the Ghost crew not being involved in the OT scenes.

As for Ahsoka, I agree she's probably doomed. And her last words will be: "There's still good in him."

Well.. Theres also Ezra.. :-P

As well as Kanan and Ahsoka.

In an interview, Dave Filoni is going with "Yoda didn't know about them" in regards to his line about Luke being the last of the Jedi. Seeing as how Yoda's been out of touch with galactic events and news for over two decades, there are probably other Jedi survivors out there in the galaxy that he simply doesn't know about.

Or, Yoda could have been employing a bit of "Jedi truth" in that Kanan, Ahsoka, and Ezra aren't Jedi Knights , even if they were trained in the Jedi arts. Kanan and Ahsoka never made it past Padawan, and Ezra was never a proper member of the Order.

Personally, I chalk it up to one final motivational speech from the little green guy to make sure that Luke doesn't try to shirk the duty/destiny that only he stands a chance of actually accomplishing.

Frankly, Yoda isn't omniscient. He's smart, wise, and well connected to the Force, but not omniscient. Just because he was a Master, doesn't mean he knew every Jedi, and every Padawan. Even if he did, he didn't have much in the way of contact with *any* of them after Order 66 and the trip to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.

Remember, too, that he cautions Luke against trusting in visions too much.

[ Luke has seen a vision of Han, Leia and Chewie being tortured in Cloud City ]

Luke : I saw - I saw a city in the clouds.

Yoda : [ nods ] Friends you have there.

Luke : They were in pain...

Yoda : It is the future you see.

Luke : The future?

[ pause ]

Luke : Will they die?

Yoda : [ closes his eyes for a moment ] Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.

Luke : I've got to go to them.

Yoda : Decide you must, how to serve them best. If you leave now, help them you could; but you would destroy all for which they have fought, and suffered.

There's plenty of reasons for Yoda and Obi-Wan to believe that they are the last actual Jedi (Master, Knight, or otherwise) in the galaxy, and little reason to suspect otherwise.

Yoda speaks directly to Ezra and Kanan in the episode where Ezra gets his Khyber crystal? He is aware of their existence.

Yoda speaks directly to Ezra and Kanan in the episode where Ezra gets his Khyber crystal? He is aware of their existence.

Was that really Yoda? Or maybe just a Hologram — kinda like a Holocron Gatekeeper?

EDIT: This is a serious question. I’m not sure about the timing of that episode versus when Yoda dies.

And even if Yoda was still alive, that could still have been a Force Projection or a Hologram Gatekeeper, and not Yoda himself.

Edited by bradknowles

Yoda speaks directly to Ezra and Kanan in the episode where Ezra gets his Khyber crystal? He is aware of their existence.

Was that really Yoda? Or maybe just a Hologram — kinda like a Holocron Gatekeeper?

Interesting take on it.

Personally I am a proponent of the "bigger galaxy" theorum.

When Yoda said that all the other Force Users were at the big "Secret Force Users Convention" which was being held in the Rishi Maze that year. Since it is technically a sattellite galaxy and not part of the main Star Wars galaxy Yoda was telling the truth when he said there were no more Jedi "in the galaxy".

Well, Jedi is just a name a certain group of force users gave themselves for trying to live according to their code of conduct. Technically, since the Jedi Order is all but gone, it is almost impossible to become an "official" Jedi; on the other hand, nobody will stop you calling yourself Jedi - although the Empire might get very interested if you do so openly ... ;)

Aside from that, there are two aspects. Firstly, the mechanics are good and adding F&D will probably not be unbalancing. Force users can learn to do stuff that is pretty much unique, but since everything costs XP, there is an opportunity cost. Secondly, a quest like this opens up a lot of narrative possibilities, from whole story arcs to antagonists and interesting NPCs and much more. As a GM, I would be happy if my players expressed interest in pursuing such personal agendas, as the involvement in the narrative is simply much better with good motivations.

I am actually in the same boat with my group. Two emerging force users interested in the Jedi way ... this gives me a lot to work with and while it cannot be the sole focal point of the campaign (there are after all two players not directly involved), I or better we can have fun with that. It is a nice long-term goal that can be part of several adventure arcs.

Edited by Franigo