I will agree that I'm not terribly interested in seeing prequel content. HOWEVER, we already do have Clone Wars content in the game: the venerable Victory-class Star Destroyer hails from the Clone Wars.

Do we ever see the Victory-Star Destroyer in the Clone Wars cartoons? That's the thing, there's a few old ships from legends that have been around "since the clone wars" but when the opportunity comes, we never see them. Sure the Y-Wing is there but that's almost literally the only thing. Z-95s were even a variant. Where were the Dreadnoughts and Victory-Star Destroyers?

I mean don't get me wrong, you don't actually SEE them during the movies (and apparently in the cartoons? you got me, I never watched the cartoons), but canon-wise, they were active during the Clone Wars when the paint was still new and their horrible engines were less of a liability. That's all I'm saying.

Some separatist holdouts joined the rebelion. Offical FFG card art shows former confederate ships in rebel aliance colors.

Also Arquentis class cruiser will probably make it to armada due to its appearence in Rebels tv show.

Venator was used by the empire so its quite feasible too.

I still hold if we see prequel-era ships, it will be through the lens that they are old and outdated equipment. This means second-hand Munificent frigates in rebel livery to all-grey Venators with depowered armament. The Arquitens is I think a certainty at some point because of how much they appear in Rebels, though their role is going to have to be distinctly different from the Raider.

I have trouble imagining Acclimators in the Empire. Weren't they mostly close-ranged missile ships when pressed into combat? They'd compete with the GSDs, and if they are medium sized I don't know how well a medium-sized black die ship is going to perform... especially if it's as slow as the VSD.

I could see some Clone Wars ships getting released eventually, but they feel like a product that would be "at the bottom of the barrel" after the more iconic/movie ships are released.

I could see some Clone Wars ships getting released eventually, but they feel like a product that would be "at the bottom of the barrel" after the more iconic/movie ships are released.

Other than Super Star Destroyer we have already seen every ship for Imperials. And it didn't even come till wave 2.

And the Lambda Shuttle

And the Lambda Shuttle

Not a ship far as Armada is concerned. Would be a squadron sized mini when we see them.

I think Mel meant that every Imperial spacecraft in the original movies, other than the Lambda and SSD, has already been represented.

It's not like the Rebels have a lot more left: GR-75, Liberty, Braha'tok.

Victory class ships were introduced as part of the Empire in one of the earliest EU sourcebooks, the Imperial sourcebook for the d6 RPG from WEG (I used to have a copy of that book. By far, I think it's the best RPG that captures the feel of Star Wars to date.) Looking that up, it was published in 1989. Before anything other than the few odd things like splinter of the mind's eye. The Thrawn trillogy started in 1991.

In that, there were the two classes the Victory 1 and Victory 2, and their descriptions have held up, with only minor tweaks of the ships themselves. They were supposed to be the biggest, most heavily armed ships appearing near the end of the war, or after the war (2)-I do wish that FFG had actually had the Vic 2 as more maneuverable (even just equaling the ISD's speed 2 chart). That they were the biggest has been prequeled. The Dreadnoughts, were also in the ISB, and were the core of the Republic in the clone wars (also prequeled). It also introduced lots of ships like the Lancer, and Carrack crusers. (I don't believe they've been seen on screen.)

So while they might be 'clone wars' they aren't new (prequel) 'clone wars' ships, and have appeared in various games (TIE fighter, don't recall if Vics were in X-Wing), and EU literature for quite some time.

Interestingly, while searching for that, I found a rather amusing excerpt from the Rebel Sourcebook also 1989, considering the depiction in Armada:

"Like many other war vessels, the Mon Cal Star Cruiser offers extensive firepower to the front, with respectable fire to the left and right broadsides; like many other ships the rear fire arc is the least protected."

We've basically seen all of the Star Wars ships in the movies, except the few kitbashes visible for half a second as Lando flies the Falcon out for the hyperspace jump, Lamda shuttle, GR75, and the SSD. (If you count the Liberty as just another MC80) as well as the VSD, MC30 from the EU and the Raider and AFM2 from games. (I double checked the AFM1 was in the Rebel sourcebook, but to be fair, I can see why FFG might have gone with the 2 over the 1, as that was far less smooth, and likely harder to make a model of. I still think the 2 looks ugly.)

I've never understood the prequel hate; it makes the nerd inside of me sad. The prequels are the Star Wars that were coming out as I grew up, and so for me they hold a dearer place then the OT. I love all things Star Wars, (well, with the exception of Jar Jar, its more of a "meh"). I'd love to see Clone Wars content and I think it would be a mistake for FFG not to include them someway in the future. I'd be fine with Imperial Venators and Acclimators, which are the two ships I really want (thankfully if FFG fails there is always Mel!), but I would love to see many more.

We waited about 2 decades for a new movie and what did we get? Han Solo was replaced with Jar Jar Binks. There was Soooooo much that was great about the second trilogy, but Jar Jar Binks is kinda hard to get past.

We also got completely bitchin' Lightsaber battles. For which, I am more thankful for, than hateful of Jar Jar....

We also got completely bitchin' Lightsaber battles. For which, I am more thankful for, than hateful of Jar Jar....

Another sore point, Liam Neeson was the best thing in the three prequels, and they tok him out in the first one.

Well, some people can't help seeing the bad.

Its all about Perspective.

Well, some people can't help seeing the bad.

Its all about Perspective.

Exactly, it is the director or producers JOB to see the bad and stop it from hitting the screen. So, from the audience's perspective, there is no bad to see.

It's like a fine meal, one little cockroach in the salad just kinda ruins the mood.

Well, some people can't help seeing the bad.

Its all about Perspective.

The problem is with so many better films to see (including the original trilogy) the prequels don't have a lot new to offer that can't be found more satisfyingly elsewhere. They do have some upsides (notably better cinematics, for example) but it's a hard sell. It really depends on what the viewer is looking for and what they consider to be negotiable. Some people will pick and choose and selectively remember the good parts. Others will remind you that a barrel of wine that has been filled with 5% raw sewage 95% wine is no longer a barrel of wine but a barrel of sewage. I agree it's about perspective.

You asked why people don't like them, I'll try to present many of the criticisms I've seen, as always it depends on who it is.

For a lot of people, myself included Episode 1, was so bad when looked at. The whole pod race. What was the point of that, miticlorians (or however that's spelled), much of the way other things were handled with cgi, and seemingly just tacky. It was not a good movie. It was actually annoying to watch.

Now, if you take a lot of that out, (Say the Phantom Edit, as a starting point) it becomes a lot less annoying. Still some wtf moments in it, but not nearly as many.

For the second one and third one, the dialog was so bad, and the acting wasn't much better. (Some of the actors in that can act well, they just didn't seem to have much to work with.) Some of it was well done, but again, there was too much in the way of characters acting not within the rest of the characterizations. Anikin/Vader being the biggest example.

I did like a lot of the stuff with the Jedi, and their motivations. But even there I felt it went poorly a lot of the time. Liam Neeson played his part quite well. The Yoda pinball... meh. Some of the saber battles were good, but they didn't have the emotional content behind them. Vader vs Obi-Wan, for the lack of swings was far more emotional (pre or post-prequel) than any of the battles in the prequels. By far the best saber battle was that in Episode 1. The rest, even the whirley battle (with way overused special effects) one of Obi-Wan vs Anikin/Vader in Episode 3, seemed to not be too emotionally invested. There was a lot of ooh, lightsaber battles are cool at the expense of story.

Suddenly, Vader has a complete change of heart after just stopping witnessing a single action he'd done which he thought was wrong before (Dooku), because it wasn't the Jedi way, and then the solution to another Jedi violating it is to kill all Jedi?

Some cool things, but there wasn't the element of entrapping story. We don't have characters acting within their character. Han for example, coming back to save Luke, was established as possible within his character, by the dialog and actions prior to that (rescuing Leia), even though he could have gone away as easily. Luke going after Vader, both times because of his feelings and impulsiveness, or rushing back to see his family when Obi-Wan said it was too dangerous. All of those fit. Vader, turning against the Emperor for his son, when he'd previously suggested it, but now for a different reason. All of that makes a lot of sense. That's something the prequels lack. They tried to do something of it in Episode 3, with Vader's turn, but it was far too abrupt a jump.

I hope that fills you in on why a lot of people haven't liked it. It could have been good, but Episode 1 happened which set the tone, which it never got over. Episodes 2 and 3 were far better, but they were still stuck within the framework of Episode 1, which no one got the taste of out of their mouth. (Not nearly as good as the original trilogy, but far better than 1)

The worst crime of the prequels (yes, even worse than Jar Jar) is completely ruining Darth Vader's respectability as a villain.

Think about it. The single best villain in all of movie history. Torn to shreds. Denied to millennials and all future generations. Gone.

The worst crime of the prequels (yes, even worse than Jar Jar) is completely ruining Darth Vader's respectability as a villain.

Think about it. The single best villain in all of movie history. Torn to shreds. Denied to millennials and all future generations. Gone.

A friend of mine though the last scene in Revenge should have been a shot of Vaders "face" after he is told Padama is dead. No yelling or walking around like Frankenstine, leave the poor medical staff/equipment alone. Just zoom in and que the resparator, roll credits.

It's like a fine meal, one little cockroach in the salad just kinda ruins the mood.

Can also depend on how you like your Cockroach Salad. That's a perspective too.

We're talking giant spaceships shooting at each other, not podraces or midichlorians.

Anakin in the clone wars series on the other hand (both the cartoon and cgi one) is a far better and likeable Anakin than the one in the movies: a hero basically which you feel pity for knowing his fate. It's amazing they couldn't pull off in the movies what they did (okey, to some extent) in some kids cartoon series. Everyone blames GL, but I do feel the actors are to blame as well for this. Natalie Portman performed subpar, Hayden Christensen performed below B-rating. It feels like they accepted the role because its Starwars and would look good on their record, and didn't have their hearts in it.

Anakin in that show was James T Kirk. An overconfident hero, right winged, that has never faced a no-win scenario and when he does, he doesnt like it.

But most of the time he is charming and competent. He is mostly always right, always wins and he hardly ever sees the bad side of war. Unlike Obi Wan who is tortured or punched on every single episode. He enjoys war.

And its incredible when you watch the Clone Wars series if you then watch Revenge of the Sith it feels like a poorly written fan version of the character written for the show.

Anakin in that show was James T Kirk. An overconfident hero, right winged, that has never faced a no-win scenario and when he does, he doesnt like it.

But most of the time he is charming and competent. He is mostly always right, always wins and he hardly ever sees the bad side of war. Unlike Obi Wan who is tortured or punched on every single episode. He enjoys war.

And its incredible when you watch the Clone Wars series if you then watch Revenge of the Sith it feels like a poorly written fan version of the character written for the show.

I haven't finished watching it, I hadn't watched it for a long time because of how bad the movies were. It's actually fairly entertaining, and I agree. Perhaps they should have had that team redo the prequels.

... then again they had Jar Jar.

A friend of mine used to go onto game servers, as Jar Jar, and say things like Jar Jar, gnerally just trolling in character.. More than a few times what was a Quake 3 deathmatch server changed to *everyone* trying to kill him. If that gives you any indication of the level of hate online.

I wouldn't mind a rebel/Imperial Aclamator or Venator! Maybe replace the old fighters as they would be obsolete, perhaps the arc-170 would be OK (fighter bombers and bombers tend to remain useful longer than fighters do.)