Force Awakens stuff

By blkdymnd, in X-Wing

Oh you assume incorrectly. The E-wings design seems to be: lets take an x-wing, remove one laser and then put the other in the dumbest possible place, then, haphazardly bolt some engines on the wing.

Oh and that dumb laser placement? That is just so we can make a needlessly complicated seperation that probably results in wespons failure half the time.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8b/Ewing_cockpit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150730042132

Seriosly... Look at this picture from the E-wings' first appearance. Dumbest cockpit design ever. Also, for a brand new top of the line ship, it's covered in what is that? Rust?

Well, I've modded my E-wing to suit an artwork with more realistic "slimmer and thinner" design.

Not BOX WITH DA LAZORZ it is...

Oh you assume incorrectly. The E-wings design seems to be: lets take an x-wing, remove one laser and then put the other in the dumbest possible place, then, haphazardly bolt some engines on the wing.

Oh and that dumb laser placement? That is just so we can make a needlessly complicated seperation that probably results in wespons failure half the time.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8b/Ewing_cockpit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150730042132

Seriosly... Look at this picture from the E-wings' first appearance. Dumbest cockpit design ever. Also, for a brand new top of the line ship, it's covered in what is that? Rust?

Okay, so you your opinion is just incompatible.

Interestingly enough, the E-Wing is acknowledged as being kind of crappy to start with, specifically because it was a rushed development and a lot of relatively new tech.

The E-Wing is

- Lazy: I have not seen any better sample of a 3D model made by starting from the X-Wing 3D model and limiting oneself to just using the basic Translate, Scale, Rotate tool in a 3D modelling program. Geez. The T-70 X-Wing model has more work!

- Impractical: First they establish in the very first film that the astro mech droids are able to perform repairs and adjustements on the mechanisms around the ship's fuselage. In Episode I we see them even having magnetic wheels and able to move outside the whole surface of the ship. Then the E-Wing locks the astromech inside a compartment, unable to perform their main job of a mechanic...

- Gratuitous design: The cannon above the cockpit makes no sense. It would blind the pilot. It's in the way of a possible ejection sequence, unless the droid compartment is previously retracted. It needs to be open in half all the time to allow entrance and exit to both the pilot and the droid, possibly getting humidity and particles in between the connections, and so requiring extra maintenance. Above all, it's emplacement has not a single advantage respect of putting it below the cockpit or elsewhere.

Edited by Azrapse

box art for new ship lego set

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So it turns out the "not B-Wing" is more of a troop transporting drop-ship. I've warmed up to the design a lot after seeing the head-on perspective on the box art. I'm imagining it as a heavy ship with multiple crew slots and a cannon. Maybe Admiral Ackbar and new Leia crew cards?

Edited by WingedSpider

I really hope the real one makes more sense than that.

The Higgins boat is actually relatively practical looking, but the amount of space in that ship for troops is laughable, unless it's some sort of flying boarding pod.

I really hope the real one makes more sense than that.

The Higgins boat is actually relatively practical looking, but the amount of space in that ship for troops is laughable, unless it's some sort of flying boarding pod.

Keep in mind that LEGO sets are often not 1:1 scale with Star Wars ships. Price is a constraint on the number of pieces that can be included. For example, every single LEGO Millennium Falcon except the Ultimate Collector's Series Millennium Falcon has not been truly in-scale with minifigures.

Force Awakens spoilers for new ship

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So it turns out the "not B-Wing" is more of a troop transporting drop-ship. I've warmed up to the design a lot after seeing the head-on perspective on the box art. I'm imagining it as a heavy ship with multiple crew slots and a cannon. Maybe Admiral Ackbar and new Leia crew cards?

Haha, oh that thing is Cool. With like, a capital C.

It looks like this big angry thing that doesn't exactly know what it's supposed to be and that's why it's so mad so it does its job well out of sheer friggin' ANGER.

That's just

That's just great.

I'll take like sixty.

EDIT: Actually, this reminds me of a really crappy fighter design I made that wasn't even meant to be good, but it WAS meant to fold up and all around with WAY too many hinged joints.

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Let's just call it the TurdWing.

Edited by Captain Lackwit

- Gratuitous design: The cannon above the cockpit makes no sense. It would blind the pilot.

This personal opinion is already invaladed by both the Tie/LN, Tie/ADV and even the Ywing and Bwing. All these craft have Guns literally mounted on top of the pilots. None of these blind the pilot.

Now if you talking about a blind spot the same can be said about the Ywing or T47 both have almost solid tops over the cockpit both are very potent combat machines.

EDIT: Oh and every TIE variant ever made has almost a solid top as well.

Edited by Rambler

Huh. Judging by the (lack of) uniforms on the characters, I'm guessing that's some kind of Scum shi P ?

I'm afraid you mistyped the letter P instead of letter T.

Huh. Judging by the (lack of) uniforms on the characters, I'm guessing that's some kind of Scum ship?

Two Resistance troopers (Who inexplicably have yellow faces; guess those are placeholders), Admiral Ackbar, and Leia. I'm gonna guess it's a Resistance ship.

The "not B-wing" looks like a good candidate (spoiled as a Lego set). Still really doubting they'll try to sell us the Falcon again, but who knows?

Not sure I get that reference - you are sure you are not thinking of the prototype B-Wing from 'Rebels'?

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It may just be me, but I rather like this C-wing design.

Whether I will like it in X-wing depends on how it translates to the big screen.

(Though let's be honest: almost everything looks good in LEGO.) :P

The only ship that they've fixed that was anywhere near stupid-looking was the Mist Hunter. K-wing has always looked neat and there's minimal differences between the model and art.

Seriously, if the K-wing had a hyperdrive, I would be tempted to go Rebel.

I really hope the real one makes more sense than that.

The Higgins boat is actually relatively practical looking, but the amount of space in that ship for troops is laughable, unless it's some sort of flying boarding pod.

The Lego one comes with two Flammentrüpers, and a few regulars.

In tight starship corridors, two werferflammens could clear entire sections rather effectively; so boarding pod isn't a bad idea.

(And clearing starships with flamethrowers is Dethklok-level Metal, so bonus! Brutal bonus! ) :lol:

Edited by OneKelvin

The only ship that they've fixed that was anywhere near stupid-looking was the Mist Hunter. K-wing has always looked neat and there's minimal differences between the model and art.

Seriously, if the K-wing had a hyperdrive, I would be tempted to go Rebel.

I really hope the real one makes more sense than that.

The Higgins boat is actually relatively practical looking, but the amount of space in that ship for troops is laughable, unless it's some sort of flying boarding pod.

The Lego one comes with two Flammentrüpers, and a few regulars.

In tight starship corridors, two werferflammens could clear entire sections rather effectively; so boarding pod isn't a bad idea.

(And clearing starships with flamethrowers is Dethklok-level Metal, so bonus! Brutal bonus! ) :lol:

Improper use of pronouns on my part. The space Higgins boat, regardless of actual scaling is pretty reasonable overall. The cellphone-wing troop transport for the Resistance on the other hand doesn't really make sense at all as a proper transport. Maybe just a VIP shuttle?

Perhaps.

It would make more or less sense if we had a solid understanding of how the Alliance operates these days. They seem to have won, but they go by "The Resistance " now: not really a traditional title choice for the victor. :huh:

If they are still rebel cells, it may be easier for them to get ahold of civilian transports than military-grade hardware; and VIP transportation tends to be as secure as you can get in civilian flavor.

Plus, guerilla-style raids, thefts, and sabotages don't require too many soldiers: a Rebel insertion craft may need room for only 4-5 infiltrators. :ph34r:

(I still say Rebel. Skynet won't let me use Resistance .)

Edited by OneKelvin

- Gratuitous design: The cannon above the cockpit makes no sense. It would blind the pilot.

This personal opinion is already invaladed by both the Tie/LN, Tie/ADV and even the Ywing and Bwing. All these craft have Guns literally mounted on top of the pilots. None of these blind the pilot.

Now if you talking about a blind spot the same can be said about the Ywing or T47 both have almost solid tops over the cockpit both are very potent combat machines.

EDIT: Oh and every TIE variant ever made has almost a solid top as well.

I sense that somehow you don't know what the word "top" means. I look at the E-wing and then all of the craft you mentioned and then I know that this is the case. One of these ships is not like the others...

Would you prefer the word dorsal?

Seriously sit in a E Wing and look up. You have this one piece of pipe that is probably as much of a problem as the support strut between the windshield and door on most automobiles today. Try the same trick in a Y Wing or TIE.

Now this ideal that the barrel separates with the cockpit seems little silly especially since some E Wings replaced the top (excuse me) ventral blaster with an YWing Ion turrent. It most like swivelled side ways or back for the cockpit to open.

But a will agree the shrouding of the Astromech was monumentally stupid.

Edited by Rambler

Shrouding the astromech is actually smart.

Consider how much of the ship's mechanisms can be accessed by an astromech in an X- or Y-Wing, it's no more than "arm's reach".

Now, that astromech is exposed to space and unarmoured. Lowering it into the mechanical bowels of the ship gives it more access, not less, and more protection.

The trade-off is ease of extrication, but the E-Wing's astromech problems come more from the untested R7 series than they do from the socket design.

As far as the dorsal cannon goes, I'd be more worried about muzzle flash (although I can't remember if laser cannons have any or not) than about the barrel itself obstructing anything. Hell, it's got more look-down angle than an X-Wing thanks to the nose slope.

Muzzle flash was covered in my previous post if it exists every TIE pilot would be blinded every time he fired the chin guns. Did not seem to be a problem in the Trench Run.

As to the shrouding yes dumb but seeing as the engines are mounted so far away and under the wing it is doubtful any Astromech could reach them which turns the Astromech into a glorified Navigator/EWO. That may not be so bad in and of itself.

Also I finally found a Comic Book picture with the barrel separating from the mounting and say this is a bad case of Artistic License and most likely was recanted by being made legends.

While I'm slightly disappointed at no updated B-wing, this new Lego revealed ship being a troop transport is really cool! Maybe it and the First Order landing craft will introduce

Boarding actions!

The E-Wing is

- Lazy: I have not seen any better sample of a 3D model made by starting from the X-Wing 3D model and limiting oneself to just using the basic Translate, Scale, Rotate tool in a 3D modelling program. Geez. The T-70 X-Wing model has more work!

- Impractical: First they establish in the very first film that the astro mech droids are able to perform repairs and adjustements on the mechanisms around the ship's fuselage. In Episode I we see them even having magnetic wheels and able to move outside the whole surface of the ship. Then the E-Wing locks the astromech inside a compartment, unable to perform their main job of a mechanic...

- Gratuitous design: The cannon above the cockpit makes no sense. It would blind the pilot. It's in the way of a possible ejection sequence, unless the droid compartment is previously retracted. It needs to be open in half all the time to allow entrance and exit to both the pilot and the droid, possibly getting humidity and particles in between the connections, and so requiring extra maintenance. Above all, it's emplacement has not a single advantage respect of putting it below the cockpit or elsewhere.

- Gratuitous design: The cannon above the cockpit makes no sense. It would blind the pilot.

This personal opinion is already invaladed by both the Tie/LN, Tie/ADV and even the Ywing and Bwing. All these craft have Guns literally mounted on top of the pilots. None of these blind the pilot.

Now if you talking about a blind spot the same can be said about the Ywing or T47 both have almost solid tops over the cockpit both are very potent combat machines.

EDIT: Oh and every TIE variant ever made has almost a solid top as well.

Most TIE variants have windows in the lid, almost all of the ships will have interfaces that provide at least some info on enemy location to the pilot, and the TIE Defender was stated to have a holographic interface ala Elite or Star Citizen so I'd expect the similarly advanced E-wing to have one too.

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From what I understand the E-wing cannon tilts up with the cockpit when opening.

And every spacecraft needs some form of light filter in the cockpit by default; you'll have to worry about the sun blinding you before lasers even come into the equation.

If your muzzle-flash is somehow brighter than the sun you may have other problems.

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And every spacecraft needs some form of light filter in the cockpit by default; you'll have to worry about the sun blinding you before lasers even come into the equation.

If your muzzle-flash is somehow brighter than the sun you may have other problems.

If your sun is located some half meter from your eyes and instead of continuous glow emits rapid pulses your iris doesn;t have the time to react to, then yeah.

Edited by Warpman

While I'm slightly disappointed at no updated B-wing, this new Lego revealed ship being a troop transport is really cool! Maybe it and the First Order landing craft will introduce

Boarding actions!

OOH I would LIKE that!

Here is some interesting concept art, any of which would make cool minis. Not sure what if any will make it in the movie, though, likely none unfortunately:

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Here is some interesting concept art, any of which would make cool minis. Not sure what if any will make it in the movie, though, likely none unfortunately:

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Looks asymmetric enough for a Wookie craft.

I like that