Will they make non canon ships illegal in tournaments?

By darthkray, in X-Wing

Its far more likely they will canonize EU ships lol - the Disney canon wipe affects characters rather than props like planets, starships, locations.

Its far more likely they will canonize EU ships lol - the Disney canon wipe affects characters rather than props like planets, starships, locations.

God yes... fairly sure I had a good rant about this yesterday when someone said they didn't expect to see any more EU ships.

Since Disney took over and order 66'd the EU; they have canonised the VT-49, Cloakshape fighter, Interidctor Cruisers, TIE Defender and maybe more I'm unaware of. I'm pretty sure they'll continue to do so with other ships as the fans demand/writers of new material who love the old material continue to publish books and comics etc. The Legends re-brand wasn't about throwing the baby out with the bath water; more about wiping out horribly written stories like Dark Empire (as an example) to make way for a) well written stories and b) a sequel trilogy not beholden to the legacy of the early 90's (a real mixed bag of good and terrible Star Wars stories).

But to answer to OP; no.

The EU gave us some good stuff, most of it stackpole and Zahn, honorary mention to the han solo trilogy too. (Hehehe a droid called Bollux).

Yes. The tournament I just played banned all non-cannon ships. It was pretty boring. Every list was B-Wings and YT-2400's or Defenders and Lambdas or Brobots.

Brobots won. It really wasn't close since they are the only double cannon ships.

I didn't like the Stackpole X-Wing trilogy as much as the Allstone one. Kind of felt more organic and had a minimum of Corran Horn involvement. Zahn has done amazing things, though. The only author to takle clones in a reasonable way in that era in my opinion.

As FFG follow the LCG model, older waves will become illegal over time, so don't buy any Wave 1 or 2.

/troll

Yes. The tournament I just played banned all non-cannon ships. It was pretty boring. Every list was B-Wings and YT-2400's or Defenders and Lambdas or Brobots.

Brobots won. It really wasn't close since they are the only double cannon ships.

I nearly replied saying "I didn't think the IG-2000 had appeared in a canon source." Then my troll alarm sounded :P

As FFG follow the LCG model, older waves will become illegal over time, so don't buy any Wave 1 or 2.

/troll

Right, who needs iconic movie ships anyways? :D

The EU gave us some good stuff, most of it stackpole and Zahn, honorary mention to the han solo trilogy too. (Hehehe a droid called Bollux).

Eww Stackpole wasn't that great a writer. His X-wing books were fun, but not very well written. If you want brilliant SW writer, try Allston.

It's funny watching people obsess over canon, like star wars is some real life thing.

It's funny watching people obsess over canon, like star wars is some real life thing.

As previously explained: This is due to those of us who like narrative campaigns / GM them. The details get important.

I once compared Star Wars Canon - and what is and isn't considered canon by different people to religion.

You got those that just treated the OT as Canon, they are like the jews, then OT-PT as Catholic. OT-PT-TCW-REBELS as Protestant etc etc etc...

Edited by DariusAPB

I was thinking seriously about this subject today.

And while I agree with everyone that non-cannon ships that already exist will never be made illegal, I do wonder if Disney might step in and prevent any more EU ships being made and demand some sort of phase out of production for them.

It's funny watching people obsess over canon, like star wars is some real life thing.

As previously explained: This is due to those of us who like narrative campaigns / GM them. The details get important.

I once compared Star Wars Canon - and what is and isn't considered canon by different people to religion.

You got those that just treated the OT as Canon, they are like the jews, then OT-PT as Catholic. OT-PT-TCW-REBELS as Protestant etc etc etc...

How do people that feel the EU *is* the Star Wars universe and that the OT was just the pilot get pegged?

I was thinking seriously about this subject today.

And while I agree with everyone that non-cannon ships that already exist will never be made illegal, I do wonder if Disney might step in and prevent any more EU ships being made and demand some sort of phase out of production for them.

If they were really going to do that the K-wing never would've seen the light of day. As is we got the non-book version of it, but I'm still glad it got made (it was one of two of the conditions that could be met for me to start collecting Rebels).

Non-cannons are extremely potent upgrade cards. They can erase an enemy from existence entirely.

I was thinking seriously about this subject today.

And while I agree with everyone that non-cannon ships that already exist will never be made illegal, I do wonder if Disney might step in and prevent any more EU ships being made and demand some sort of phase out of production for them.

We've now seen basically* every viable ship from Rebels and Episode 4/5/6. Even making the (pretty damned big) assumption there are a a whoooooole bunch of freighter-and-smaller combat ships in TFA that we've not even glimpsed in any of the trailers or production shots so far, enough to make two whole waves of new ships, that's not really enough to tide X-Wing over until the second film in the new trilogy gets released. So assuming both FFG and Disney want to keep making more money than you can imagine out of this game (and they do) they need to get new ships from somewhere. That means the prequels or the EU. And the fact that the Mist Hunter and Jumpmaster 9000 are getting released alongside the T-70 and Ghost ought to be a pretty strong indicator that Disney don't have any particular aversion to a) the EU or b) making money.

* - There's still that sort of stretch-Lambda troop transport affair, I suppose.

I was thinking seriously about this subject today.

And while I agree with everyone that non-cannon ships that already exist will never be made illegal, I do wonder if Disney might step in and prevent any more EU ships being made and demand some sort of phase out of production for them.

"I wonder if Disney might suddenly decide they hate money?"

Exactly that. If anyone's noticed; Marvel are now publishing and selling collected editions of the old EU Dark Horse comics (now Legends) alongside it's "canon" Star Wars comics. They don't hate the EU because they can sell it. They just didn't want a rubbish new trilogy of movies where the next 100 years after ROTJ had already been told. Fairly badly in places.

There's a hell of a lot of leaked concept art for TFA era fighters but who knows what will and won't make it in to the new trilogy...

If FFG made it it's always gonna be legal. Unless they ever go back on their unspoken rule of not banning any models, which bwould of course make lots and lots of people very mad.

The EU is so full of spaceships that even if there weren't any movies for 20 years we could still have wave after wave of ships with a large amount of various factions. Not to mention finally cranking out PT/clone wars stuff when they finally do run out.

I was thinking seriously about this subject today.

And while I agree with everyone that non-cannon ships that already exist will never be made illegal, I do wonder if Disney might step in and prevent any more EU ships being made and demand some sort of phase out of production for them.

"I wonder if Disney might suddenly decide they hate money?"

We've now seen basically* every viable ship from Rebels and Episode 4/5/6. Even making the (pretty damned big) assumption there are a a whoooooole bunch of freighter-and-smaller combat ships in TFA that we've not even glimpsed in any of the trailers or production shots so far, enough to make two whole waves of new ships, that's not really enough to tide X-Wing over until the second film in the new trilogy gets released. So assuming both FFG and Disney want to keep making more money than you can imagine out of this game (and they do) they need to get new ships from somewhere. That means the prequels or the EU. And the fact that the Mist Hunter and Jumpmaster 9000 are getting released alongside the T-70 and Ghost ought to be a pretty strong indicator that Disney don't have any particular aversion to a) the EU or b) making money.

* - There's still that sort of stretch-Lambda troop transport affair, I suppose.

But there's new books and comics with new ships coming out that I'm sure they want to make money off of. I don't think they'll go far and try to crush the old EU stuff. However a hold on some reprints and pushing up the new Disney properties doesn't seem outlandish to me for a company.

Speaking of the stretch Lambda, I'm genuinely surprised that the Sentinel Lander isn't in the game yet.

Edited by DariusAPB

^too ugly, too much role overlap, only differing role elements vs. the Lambda are for stuff that doesn't matter 1 iota to this game.

Does Darthkray just get high and then post topics or something? Why would anyone think this was going to happen, and why would they post a topic about it just to say "I hope not?"

Does Darthkray just get high and then post topics or something? Why would anyone think this was going to happen, and why would they post a topic about it just to say "I hope not?"

^"never attribute to trolling what you can to idiocy" is a pretty decent maxim.

Reading this entire thread has surely placed me on the road to the dark side.