2015 "Holiday" Vassal Tournament - Signup and Commentary Station

By BiggsIRL, in Star Wars: Armada

I'm signing up for the tournament!

My local time is GMT -6 (Central, USA)

I'm usually available to play after 5PM local time M-F and mornings (5AM - Noon) on Saturday and Sunday

My current list (Which I will might edit before the pairings)

FAST and FURIOUS Ozzel (399)

Flagship

ISD2

Ozzel

Relentless

Gunnery Team

Electric Countermeasures

XI7 Turbolasers

Gladiator 1

Engine techs

Assault Concussion Missiles

Demolisher

Ordnance Experts

Raider 2

Impetuous

Boba Fett

IG-88

Howl Runner

5xTIE Fighters

Hey, so I show this list at 403 total fleet points. Maybe manually edited an upgrade somewhere and forgot to account for it?

[ EMPIRE FLEET (403 points)

1 • Imperial II-class Star Destroyer - Admiral Ozzel - Gunnery Team - Electronic Countermeasures - XI7 Turbolasers - Relentless (163)

2 • Gladiator I-class Star Destroyer - Ordnance Experts - Engine Techs - Assault Concussion Missiles - Demolisher (85)

3 • Raider II-class corvette - Impetuous (52)

4 • Boba Fett Slave 1 (26)

5 • IG-88 IG-2000 (21)

6 • ''Howlrunner'' TIE Fighter Squadron (16)

7 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

8 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

9 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

10 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

11 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

http://armada.fabpsb.net/permalink.php?sq=e14c10w1d1t4f16e5w5s3n1f12e24f22e16e20e3e4e4e4e4e4 ]

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Edit: For the record, I'm not just going through creeping everybody's lists, I'm putting together some gee-whiz stats that I think will be interesting. :)

Edited by Ardaedhel

One hour left before lists are set!

So what's the single most expensive ship in this comp? I saw Home One worth around 180 on the previous page - do I hear 190??? :P

I'm signing up for the tournament!

My local time is GMT -6 (Central, USA)

I'm usually available to play after 5PM local time M-F and mornings (5AM - Noon) on Saturday and Sunday

My current list (Which I will might edit before the pairings)

FAST and FURIOUS Ozzel (399)

Flagship

ISD2

Ozzel

Relentless

Gunnery Team

Electric Countermeasures

XI7 Turbolasers

Gladiator 1

Engine techs

Assault Concussion Missiles

Demolisher

Ordnance Experts

Raider 2

Impetuous

Boba Fett

IG-88

Howl Runner

5xTIE Fighters

Hey, so I show this list at 403 total fleet points. Maybe manually edited an upgrade somewhere and forgot to account for it?

[ EMPIRE FLEET (403 points)

1 • Imperial II-class Star Destroyer - Admiral Ozzel - Gunnery Team - Electronic Countermeasures - XI7 Turbolasers - Relentless (163)

2 • Gladiator I-class Star Destroyer - Ordnance Experts - Engine Techs - Assault Concussion Missiles - Demolisher (85)

3 • Raider II-class corvette - Impetuous (52)

4 • Boba Fett Slave 1 (26)

5 • IG-88 IG-2000 (21)

6 • ''Howlrunner'' TIE Fighter Squadron (16)

7 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

8 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

9 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

10 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)

11 • TIE Fighter Squadron (8)http://armada.fabpsb.net/permalink.php?sq=e14c10w1d1t4f16e5w5s3n1f12e24f22e16e20e3e4e4e4e4e4 ]

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Edit: For the record, I'm not just going through creeping everybody's lists, I'm putting together some gee-whiz stats that I think will be interesting. :)

sorry it's a Raider 1

I am in EST idk which GMT that is

Phoenix battlegroup
Author: Brozojoe

Faction: Rebel Alliance
Points: 397/400

Commander: Garm Bel Iblis

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo
Defense Objective: Fleet Ambush
Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points)

- Salvation ( 7 points)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points)

- Redemption ( 8 points)

[ flagship ] MC80 Command Cruiser (106 points)
- Garm Bel Iblis ( 25 points)

- Home one ( 7 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)

- Leading shots ( 4 points)

- Wallex Blissex ( 5 points)

3 A-Wing Squadrons ( 33 points)

EDIT: My list was actually incorrect, missing some upgrades that were lost during the copy-paste (idk how that happenned)

Edited by Brozojoe
I am in EST idk which GMT that is

Phoenix battlegroup

Author: Brozojoe

Faction: Rebel Alliance

Points: 397/400

Commander: Garm Bel Iblis

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo

Defense Objective: Fleet Ambush

Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)

- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)

- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points)

- Salvation ( 7 points)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points)

- Redemption ( 8 points)

[ flagship ] MC80 Command Cruiser (106 points)

- Garm Bel Iblis ( 25 points)

- Home one ( 7 points)

- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)

3 A-Wing Squadrons ( 33 points)

:P

I am in EST idk which GMT that is

Phoenix battlegroup

Author: Brozojoe

Faction: Rebel Alliance

Points: 397/400

Commander: Garm Bel Iblis

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo

Defense Objective: Fleet Ambush

Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)

- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)

- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points)

- Salvation ( 7 points)

Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points)

- Redemption ( 8 points)

[ flagship ] MC80 Command Cruiser (106 points)

- Garm Bel Iblis ( 25 points)

- Home one ( 7 points)

- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)

3 A-Wing Squadrons ( 33 points)

cutting it a little close aren't you :P

Glad I had saved up a couple of lists :)

So what's the single most expensive ship in this comp? I saw Home One worth around 180 on the previous page - do I hear 190??? :P

This is one of the stat's I'm tracking. :) So far it's a 3-way tie at 183 (2x Command MC80's and 1x ISD2).

**That is it. Registration is closed.**

I will have first round matchups in a few hours.

Yay. And everyone should thank Biggs for organizing this. And for having a glorious mustache.

Thank you Biggs!

So what's the single most expensive ship in this comp? I saw Home One worth around 180 on the previous page - do I hear 190??? :P

This is one of the stat's I'm tracking. :) So far it's a 3-way tie at 183 (2x Command MC80's and 1x ISD2).

Haha, love your work! :D

Yay. And everyone should thank Biggs for organizing this.

Thanks, Biggs!

*gets paired up against a 183pt Star Destroyer*

Curse you, Biggs! :P

Okay, got some data broken down here for funsies (yes, I do data analysis on Armada tournaments stats for funsies). If you don't see a stat that you're curious about, ask and I'll pull out the data.

Factions

12 Imperial

15 Rebel

Admirals

There are SEVEN of us playing Ackbar in this tournament: by far the most-taken admiral. Next-most popular is Motti, at 5. Ackbar is obviously the new hotness; I think Motti is just popular right now because STAR DESTROYERS. The one that really surprises me is the single Vader in the field. I think he's really good, but maybe that's because I'm a Rebel and he's just good at projecting fear.

Rounding out the list, we have 3 each of Garm, Mon Mothma, and Ozzel; 2 Screeds; and 1 of each of the others.

Fleet point value

- Mean: 394.7

- Mode: 390

Pretty even spread throughout the 390's for initiative bids. Five people swaggered in yelling "come at me, bro" at 400 points, while NebulonB was so confident in his 388 bid that he just posted his objectives for the world to see, since nobody will get to pick initiative over him anyway. Overall, this is substantially lower than we normally see in my area. I wonder how much of that is due to the publicly-posted lists... ;)

Activations

Activations run the gamut, with Ceryliae and Green Squadron brazenly pinning their hopes on 2 ships; while Biggs, Brozojoe, and JJs Juggernaut bringing 5 each. Interestingly, no real Raider swarms, which I really expected to see. Most people are running 3-ship builds (15), with several 4-ships as well (7).

Deployments

CaptainICT's ten Rebel fighters and stripped-down ships let him out-deploy anybody else, which will give him the advantage he'll need in deploying those B-Wings and completely naked MC80 flagship. Doobleg and Deadshane went entirely the other direction and sacrificed deployment for a monster gunline and a 183-point ISD2, respectively. Otherwise, nothing too remarkable on the deployment front, with a pretty even spread between the extremes. Of note, 12/27 players took an odd number of fighters, foregoing deployment considerations to get the specific fighters they wanted.

Points Ratios

This one I pulled out just cause I was curious. A couple of the questions I see a lot from new players are how many upgrades and how many fighters they should take. While obviously there's not a hard-and-fast answer, I'm curious to see the performance of the various ratios. For now, overall ratios for ships to upgrades to squadrons are roughly 3/1/1: 61% of points were spent on ships, 22% on upgrades (including admirals), and 17% on squadrons. The ratios in the lists vary widely, though. I think there will be some more interesting data coming out of this section once we can analyze placing and MoV against it.

Squadrons

Only Doobleg was fool enough to bring no fighter screen at all(edit: Rekkon, too. Fffffffffff....). I was nearly right there with him, before I chickened out a few days ago. I'm definitely interested to see how you fare, though, because I like to think that all-ship is still viable.

On the other hand, we have about 8 people who are really leaning hard on their squadrons, with 6 lists over 100 points. The only real Wave 1-style Rhymer ball I see is Reath28, which is a relief to me because I ******* hate them. There are a couple of Firespray-centered Rhymerballs, though, which will be interesting to see. I personally don't think Firesprays are as great as everybody else does, which means I'm probably wrong. :)

Points Pinatas

There are a lot of tasty points pinatas in the field. The award for biggest, meanest point dump goes to Qark for Darth Vader's ridiculous 184-point ISD2 Relentless of which I am, quite frankly, ******* terrified. Honorable mentions go to the four-way tie for second place, with 2 ISD2's and 2 Command MC80's clocking in at 183. You horrible people responsible for these atrocities, you know who you are. :)

Ships Breakdown

A total of 92 ships of all types are joining the field of battle, 52 Rebel and 38 Imperial. CR90A's are the most popular (not particularly surprising), with a total of 13 of them in play, followed closely by the Empire's 11 GSD-I's. Three types are completely unrepresented: AF2A (unsurprising, they're wasted points), Raider-II (also unsurprising), and the GSD-II. I'm a little surprised nobody took the GSD-II, as it's been gaining popularity locally ever since the advent of a consistent squadron meta, but maybe it just hasn't caught on elsewhere yet. The full breakdown:

13 - CR90A

11 - GSD-I

9 - ISD-II

8 - Raider-I

7 - MC80C, AF2B

6 - MC30S, MC30T, Neb-B (E), ISD-I

4 - Neb-B (S)

3 - MC80A

2 - CR90B, VSD-I, VSD-II

0 - AF2A, GSD-II, Raider-II

Hope you guys enjoyed this. If there's anything you're curious about, let me know and I'll post it. I've got a couple more things I want to find out myself, but it's pizza time right now. :)

edit: updated to account for Rekkon's last-minute add and to add the ship breakdown. I'd like to do the same for fighters, but not sure I'll get to it.

Edited by Ardaedhel

Thanks for the stats, they are really intresting.

Edited by Qark

Okay, got some data broken down here for funsies (yes, I do data analysis on Armada tournaments stats for funsies). If you don't see a stat that you're curious about, ask and I'll pull out the data.

Factions

11 Imperial

15 Rebel

Admirals

There are SEVEN of us playing Ackbar in this tournament: by far the most-taken admiral. Next-most popular is Motti. Ackbar is obviously the new hotness; I think Motti is just popular right now because STAR DESTROYERS. The one that really surprises me is the single Vader in the field. I think he's really good, but maybe that's because I'm a Rebel and he's just good at projecting fear.

Rounding out the list, we have 3 each of Garm, Mon Mothma, and Ozzel; 2 Screeds; and 1 of each of the others.

Fleet point value

- Mean: 394.8

- Mode: 390

Pretty even spread throughout the 390's for initiative bids. Five people swaggered in yelling "come at me, bro" at 400 points, while NebulonB was so confident in his 388 bid that he just posted his objectives for the world to see, since nobody will get to pick initiative over him anyway. Overall, this is substantially lower than we normally see in my area. I wonder how much of that is due to the publicly-posted lists... ;)

Activations

Activations run the gamut, with Ceryliae and Green Squadron brazenly pinning their hopes on 2 ships; while Biggs, Brozojoe, and JJs Juggernaut bringing 5 each. Interestingly, no real Raider swarms, which I really expected to see. Most people are running 3-ship builds (14), with several 4-ships as well (7).

Deployments

CaptainICT's ten Rebel fighters and stripped-down ships let him out-deploy anybody else, which will give him the advantage he'll need in deploying those B-Wings and completely naked MC80 flagship. Doobleg and Deadshane went entirely the other direction and sacrificed deployment for a monster gunline and a 183-point ISD2, respectively. Otherwise, nothing too remarkable on the deployment front, with a pretty even spread between the extremes. Of note, 12/26 players took an odd number of fighters, foregoing deployment considerations to get the specific fighters they wanted.

Points Ratios

This one I pulled out just cause I was curious. A couple of the questions I see a lot from new players are how many upgrades and how many fighters they should take. While obviously there's not a hard-and-fast answer, I'm curious to see the performance of the various ratios. For now, overall ratios for ships to upgrades to squadrons are roughly 3/2/2: 61% of points were spent on ships, 22% on upgrades (including admirals), and 17% on squadrons. The ratios in the lists vary widely, though. I think there will be some more interesting data coming out of this section once we can analyze placing and MoV against it.

Squadrons

Only Doobleg was fool enough to bring no fighter screen at all. I was nearly right there with him, before I chickened out a few days ago. I'm definitely interested to see how you fare, though, because I like to think that all-ship is still viable.

On the other hand, we have about 8 people who are really leaning hard on their squadrons, with 6 lists over 100 points. The only real Wave 1-style Rhymer ball I see is Reath28, which is a relief to me because I ******* hate them. There are a couple of Firespray-centered Rhymerballs, though, which will be interesting to see. I personally don't think Firesprays are as great as everybody else does, which means I'm probably wrong. :)

Points Pinatas

There are a lot of tasty points pinatas in the field. The award for biggest, meanest point dump goes to Qark for Darth Vader's ridiculous 184-point ISD2 Relentless of which I am, quite frankly, ******* terrified. Honorable mentions go to the four-way tie for second place, with 2 ISD2's and 2 Command MC80's clocking in at 183. You horrible people responsible for these atrocities, you know who you are. :)

Hope you guys enjoyed this. If there's anything you're curious about, let me know and I'll post it. I've got a couple more things I want to find out myself, but it's pizza time right now. :)

Keep the stats up, I love shh like this.

Can you do a ship breakdown?

Edited by HERO

Thanks for the patience. Just got home and generating the first round matchups now.

By the way, Rekkon messaged me his list for some godawful reason, so here it is:

Motti
3x ISD I + XI7 + Gunnery Team

Clontroper5: GMT -8

Ceryliae: GMT -8

HERO: GMT -8

Iskander4000: GMT -8

Maturin: GMT: -8

Truthiness: GMT -7

JJs Juggernaut: GMT -6

Ardaedhel: GMT -6

Deadshane: GMT -6

Rekkon: GMT -6

CaribbeanNinja: GMT -6

Captain ICT: GMT -6

Zanos: GMT -5

BiggsIRL: GMT -5

mikemcmann: GMT -5 Bowed Out

audere1882: GMT -5

DabDarklighter: GMT -5

Brozojoe: GMT -5

Onca: GMT +0

Gowtah: GMT +1

Green Knight: GMT +1

Green Squadron 3: GMT +1

NebulonB: GMT +1

Doobleg: GMT +8

Leowulf: GMT +10

Reath28: GMT +11

Qark: GMT +11

JRockNZ: GMT +13? (-11?)

Brings the total signups to 27 total.

I'm guessing that everyone put in their list since Ardaedhal put down numbers and he had 26, and Rekkon sent his to me.

That means we're ready to rock and roll. In a few minutes I will have the round matchups. I am going to try and get them pretty close to one another in terms of time. Stand bye.

Edit: Pun was not intentional.

Edited by BiggsIRL

Thanks for the patience. Just got home and generating the first round matchups now.

By the way, Rekkon messaged me his list for some godawful reason, so here it is:

Motti

3x ISD I + XI7 + Gunnery Team

LOL, I knew someone had to go triple ISD Motti.

For those of you who have never experienced this kind of pain before, prepare to. It's pretty much just 42 hull points of F*** YOU.

Edited by HERO

Here are the matchups:

Doobleg vs Bye (Sorry)

Monturin vs Truthiness

Iskander4000 vs Ceryliae

Clontroper5 vs HERO

JJs Juggernaut vs Caribbean Ninja

Deadshane vs Captain ICT

Ardaedhel vs Rekkon

BronzoJoe vs Audere1882

Zanos (hands of fate) vs BiggsIRL

Dab Darklighter vs Green Knight

GreenSquadron3 vs NebulonB

Onca vs Gowtah

Leowulf vs Qark

Reath28 vs JRockNZ

Gentlebeings, start your engines. First round begins now, and **ends Monday DEC 7th at 11:59 PM GMT**

Edited by BiggsIRL

Here are the matchups:

Doobleg vs Bye (Sorry)

Monturin vs Truthiness

Iskander4000 vs Ceryliae

Clontroper5 vs HERO

JJs Juggernaut vs Caribbean Ninja

Deadshane vs Captain ICT

Ardaedhel vs Rekkon

BronzoJoe vs Audere1882

Zanos (hands of fate) vs BiggsIRL

Dab Darklighter vs Green Knight

GreenSquadron3 vs NebulonB

Onca vs Gowtah

Leowulf vs Qark

Reath28 vs JRockNZ

Gentlebeings, start your engines. First round begins now, and **ends Monday Nov 7th at 11:59 PM GMT**

December 7th*

Here are the matchups:

Doobleg vs Bye (Sorry)

Monturin vs Truthiness

Iskander4000 vs Ceryliae

Clontroper5 vs HERO

JJs Juggernaut vs Caribbean Ninja

Deadshane vs Captain ICT

Ardaedhel vs Rekkon

BronzoJoe vs Audere1882

Zanos (hands of fate) vs BiggsIRL

Dab Darklighter vs Green Knight

GreenSquadron3 vs NebulonB

Onca vs Gowtah

Leowulf vs Qark

Reath28 vs JRockNZ

Gentlebeings, start your engines. First round begins now, and **ends Monday DEC 7th at 11:59 PM GMT**

December 7th*

That's what I said! I don't know what you are talking about.

So is it elimination? Or Swiss?

Doobleg vs Bye (Sorry)

CUUUUURSE YOOOOUUUU BIIIIIGGS!!!!!

Oh wait... not playing Rekkon's three ISDs...

THANKS, BIGGS!!!

:D

Edited by doobleg

Swiss!