Why no Defenders, Phantoms, or Punishers? I can only assume it's because of the model not being physically able to fit. What are your thoughts? Any gameplay, thematic, lore, etc reasons that I just haven't thought of?

Because.

That's why.

For defenders and phantoms the models would look upside down, while the other TIEs can at least pretend to be oriented correctly. The Punisher is just too big and might not be able to fit physically.

Just curious, but what makes you believe only standard TIEs will fit? Was there an article posted somewhere that suggested this?

Defenders and Phantoms were designed to be long range craft that could operate without any sort of capital ship support. So, thematically, that's why they can't. The Tie advanced, I think, didn't quite have that capability, so that's why it can.

I have no idea about the Tie punisher. Probably cause it's a giant mess of a starfighter

Nothing official other than the upgrade card that states TIE fighters, bombers, Interceptors and Advanced only can be docked. It is currently being assumed that TIE/fo Fighters and TIE Adv. Protoytpe are included because they include one of the types named.

Both TIE Bomber and Punisher look upside down because of their drop chutes, that really isn't an argument. Punisher probably just is too large.

Punisher too fat

Defender too advanced

Phantom too haughty

none of the Ties docked to Gonzati have hyperdrives to my knowledge; uncertain about the FO

Because.

That's why.

For defenders and phantoms the models would look upside down, while the other TIEs can at least pretend to be oriented correctly. The Punisher is just too big and might not be able to fit physically.

I think this is the main reason. Can anyone think of a gameplay reason? Cannons on a Defender, the Phantom's cloak ability, the Punishers...?

only thing I can think of is Deathrain's front conners and Defenders' ion cannon + Gonzati going CHOOCHOO! through whatever poor bastard you ionize next round

Then again, bombers can IPM so eh

Both TIE Bomber and Punisher look upside down because of their drop chutes, that really isn't an argument. Punisher probably just is too large.

Technically, they all look upside down if you look closely. But a Defender and a Phantom especially look very much upside down even from a distance. That is why the argument holds some merit.

only thing I can think of is Deathrain's front conners and Defenders' ion cannon + Gonzati going CHOOCHOO! through whatever poor bastard you ionize next round

Then again, bombers can IPM so eh

This is the kinda gameplay issue I was thinking about. Anything else come to mind that might be aa reason no Defenders, Phantoms, or Punishers?

My guess is:

- Tie Punishers: the models themselves are too heavy. I would hardly be surprised if they fell off when set upside down like that.

- Tie Defender: it's wings get in the way of the clamps

- Tie Phantom: it may fit / hold, so I suspect more of a balance issue. Phantoms start at 25 points, so if you were to put 4 of them on a Gozanti, you're looking at a single unit holding probably over 150 points? It just seems like a bad idea, that's all

I got nothing else

Defenders aren't terribly great at anything apart from Vessery and control cannons, which bombers can already simulate with missiles and torps

Punishers apart from Deathrain can't do anything that Advance or Bombers already do

Phantoms hurt, I guess. Might be painful to have the full four Sigmas just pop outta nowhere and HLC your face off? It is also the only crew bearing small ship for Imperials, so I guess there's no opportunity for Mara Jade bombing the enemy

maybe the Gonzati just detests shield values over 1?

More simply, just limiting the options in general gives your opponents less of a headache when trying to figure out how to counter the thing

Punisher too fat

Defender too advanced

Phantom too haughty

none of the Ties docked to Gonzati have hyperdrives to my knowledge; uncertain about the FO

Advanced has hyperdrive. At least Vader's did, as well as the 'Avenger' style. Supposedly the base model Advanced did, but the prototype did not. Funny, I thought the X1 was a Protoytpe too.

Bombers really should have had a hypedrive. It wouldn't surprise me if the punisher did.

Phantom and defender have wings that would negate the functionality of docking hatches (in practice, not on model). Punisher too fat.

Bombers don't, Punishers do, if I recall correctly.

Bombers don't, Punishers do, if I recall correctly.

Yeah, it's sad though. But I guess the base bomber was meant to be a short range light bomber, while the punisher is long range and heavy.

TIE Bomber was my favorite in the old PC sim, and I would create new missions and give Bombers shields and a beam weapon and then dump it all into the engines to make a super fast bomber. It was fun. Sometimes I would edit the original missions to fly a bomber and see if I could still make the objectives.

I think its fine. Nothing bad about every Star Destroyers carrying some TIE Bombers!

I thought this thread was going to ask why do they have to be the same kind of tie? Why not be able to mix it up?

^see above

(Because. That's why.)

And again I have to say that the blatant disregard for the rules of this game that the writers of Rebels have demonstrated is like a knife to my OCD ADHD soul.

for the sake of simplicity

also the Empire's got quite a fetish for uniformity

I think it's because the ships have to be able to physically fit inside the Gozanti. TIE Defenders and Phantoms have wings mounted to the top of their cockpits, and the Punisher is too enormous to fit inside the docking bay.

I too was hoping ANY type of TIE could be loaded. I'm more upset that the four TIEs it carries must be uniform. I happen to love using Advanced to run along side Bombers as support.

^see above

(Because. That's why.)

And again I have to say that the blatant disregard for the rules of this game that the writers of Rebels have demonstrated is like a knife to my OCD ADHD soul.

Yeah, I have to admit the requirement to keep all the fighters of a uniform type was much more surprising to me than the limit on which types can be carried. Would have been nice to have the ship carry a mixed bag of fighters. Not the end of the world, just seems odd.

Incentive to go buy my 4th Tie Bomber I guess.