So. . . I am still in a sort of she'll shock but, my Nebulon-B's actually won a tournament!

So here is list.

+++ [Neb Gunline 2.0] (392pts) +++

Nebulon-B Escort Frigate (69pts)

•Raymus Antilles (7pts),

•Yavaris (5pts)

Nebulon-B Escort Frigate (57pts)

Nebulon-B Escort Frigate (57pts)

Nebulon-B Support Frigate (64pts)

XI7 Turbolasers (6pts),

•Salvation (7pts)

Nebulon-B Support Frigate (81pts)

•Mon Mothma

+ Squadrons (64pts) +

A-Wing Squadron (11pts)

A-Wing Squadron (11pts)

B-Wing Squadron (14pts)

B-Wing Squadron (14pts)

B-Wing Squadron (14pts)

+ Objectives +

Assault Objective [Most Wanted]

Defense Objective [Contested Outpost]

Navigation Objective [superior Positions]

Now the tournament was a for fun tournament at 400 points and only wave 1 things (some one brought the rebel side of Rouges and Villains and we were all kind and let it go though). The prize was store credit to top 2 and if enough people came down top 3!

Now I ran the tournament and to keep it even I joined in. I fully expected 4 to 5 people to show up including myself but we got a total of 8! Boy was I happy and surprised!

So round 1 comes around and I am facing a rebel list of 2 Assault Frigates (one A and one B), to CR90 B's, 3 X-Wings, an A-Wing, and 3 B-Wings.

Here is at 399 and I am 392 so I go second (went second in all my games) the objective here was superior positions.

Now he sets up with CR90's on my left and the Assault Frigates a bit spread out but still in good position.

I on the other hand have my 5 Nebulon-B's in a wide W formation (wide as in the bases edges not including the dials are the distance of Close from each other when measuring to its partner on the same row)

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I used this formation in all 3 games.

Now in this game we had a ton of low rolls but a few key things occurred. One of his CR90's prevented one from escaping my Yavaris B-Wings (he chose not to move it first) which led to me destroying it with Yavaris activated B-Wings.

I did lose 2 ships this game but no squadrons. He on the other hand lost ALL his squadrons but due to cold dice rolls was unable to kill my B-Wings.

I did lost 1 Neb Escort and I think Yavaris at the end but I was able to accumulate 8 Victory tokens from Superior Positions and kill all his fighters and a ship so the loss of 2 ships was fine. It was an 8-2 Victory.

Second game was against a 2 VSD II's list with 3 TIE Bombers and Rhymer, a Fighter, Mithel, Howlrunner, Fel and 2 Interceptors.

In this game we played Most Wanted and I picked the Motti flagship which caused my opponent to keep it at speed 1 till turn 5! I understand taking 5 Nebulon-B front arcs are scary but that left just the one VSD to take on Salvation, Yavaris and an Escort on its own with the Fighters as support. The Bombers had split off and we're after my Objective ship which was a plain Escort.

In this game I lost Salvation but not after it dealt 5 damage to the non flagship VSD which led to its death.

That game I lost all squadrons and Salvation, she lost Fel, 3 Interceptors, a bomber, and a VSD 2 with Mas upgrades. No objective ships were killed. I won that game but it was a 7-3.

In the last game it was against the guy who brought the rebels side of Rogues and Villains. That Intel. . . Now in this game his squadrons lasted FAR longer than anyone's. Jan does that it seems. He also used his Adar Tallon on the Assault Frigate A and his Yavaris really well by stacking Squadron commands. I lost Yavaris by turn 4 but was able to kill his Salvation. Oh we played Contested Outpost and I was able to get 4 tokens.

Here did have his fleet split up though with Salvation on one side and the Whale and Yavaris on the other. I had used the obstacles to create a tough to fly through area that forced him to come around it to get the station which he did on the final turn.

Now I lost my squadrons by turn 3 which HURT! My B-Wings never got a shot on a ship but I was able to use Yavaris once which really hurt him. From there my one Escort, and Yavaris before she died shot at squadrons a lot (I prioritized killing them over attacking a ship a few times) which I thought was great. He had over 120 points in squadrons so taking them out was a priority!

In the end I o lys won by a 6-4 Victory but the guy was was in the lead lost to my first opponent and so Mikael Hasselstein who was unable to play his 3rd round due to Date night came in third!

Overall it was a great time! I am still shocked that my Nebulon-B's did so well!

Congrats mate!

Still stuck in wave 1 here but done something similar here with nebs so great to see them fighting strong in the right hands!

Congrats mate!

Still stuck in wave 1 here but done something similar here with nebs so great to see them fighting strong in the right hands!

So I understand it, your capital ship kills in the tournament this list were one Nebulon-B in the third game, and the one VSD the opponent committed of the two he had? Most of your points were out of objectives and fighters?

I'm still dubious about leaning on Nebulon-Bs in most lists so I'm curious where your points came from for you to win the tournament. It looks like rather than ship killing it's out of points-grabbing and maneuvering? I read that you took a few nebulon losses... were you losing more ships than killing?

I've seen triple Neb lists win local tournaments. Each title, each one ran an engineering team. Raymus on... Yavaris I believe.

He usually does very well because good Nebs are ridiculously durable. The only list that seems to give him consistent trouble is mine, 2 VSD IIs with Gunnery Teams and Demolisher. He pretty much seems to run through most everything else.

havn't heard of anyone talking **** about Neb-Bs in a while

they're great little ships with a high learning curve but a very promising set of returns, especially for the titled beasties

looking forward to Wave 2, where 2-3 Escort Nebs promise to be a great anchor for fleets using B-wings or Silly H-6s

So I understand it, your capital ship kills in the tournament this list were one Nebulon-B in the third game, and the one VSD the opponent committed of the two he had? Most of your points were out of objectives and fighters?

I'm still dubious about leaning on Nebulon-Bs in most lists so I'm curious where your points came from for you to win the tournament. It looks like rather than ship killing it's out of points-grabbing and maneuvering? I read that you took a few nebulon losses... were you losing more ships than killing?

Well, in game 1 I killed a CR90 B with Leading Shots so 43 there, 92 from squadron kills and 120 points of Superior Positions tokens. My loses were Ships coming out to 126 points. So that is over 100 points in my favor.

Game 2 I actually killed 3 interceptors and Fel. So 133 points in squadrons and a VSD 2 that came out to 119 points. My loses we really 64 points in squadrons and my 64 point Salvation. No Victory points.

Game 3 was much closer. 4 Contested Outpost tokens for 80 points, 121 points of squadrons killed, and a 63 point ship.

My loses were 1 Victory token for 20 points, 64 points in squadrons, 64 point Salvation and a 69 point Yavaris. So a narrow margin.

The objectives I took were all about points, we'll except for Most Wanted. This allows me to take advantage of the fact that the Meta in my area is squadrons flooded. I mean not a single player brought only ships.

havn't heard of anyone talking **** about Neb-Bs in a while

they're great little ships with a high learning curve but a very promising set of returns, especially for the titled beasties

looking forward to Wave 2, where 2-3 Escort Nebs promise to be a great anchor for fleets using B-wings or Silly H-6s

Not many talk bad about the Nebulon-B, but a stigma exists.

The funny thing is, for the Superior Positions objective, Nebulon-B's are strong! It is very hard to actually get a LoS shot on the rear arc unless you are in that arc easily.

That's great Lyraeus! I'm running a neb b gunline today! So good! Even better with a few wave 2 upgrades.

It was close at 300. But the 300 Dynamic is something else...

At 400, Nebs being cheap, gives you a bigger advantage. I'm happy to see it.

I'm glad to know my thoughts have been shown to be right on the subject.

Gratz on the win Lyr. Props for going HAM with nebs.

Nice! Good write up, and well done

Nice! Good write up, and well done

Gratz on the win Lyr. Props for going HAM with nebs.

Yea it was a risk but it was so much fun!

And here's the news from HNN:

Congrats to Lyraeus for pulling off a win in an unorthodox manner. It was great to see the Nebulon-B's back on the table. I wonder if he's given birth to the Neb-Spam list, which will soon take the scene by storm (or not).

Another strong player brought Nebulons. Lyraeus' last match-up and my second was indeed against a swarm of villains (Han, Jan, the Scurrg, and a YT-2400 with some more conventional fighters) supported by an Assault Frigate and two Nebulons (Yavaris & Salvation).

Also congrats for getting a good turnout. We got some players coming in from across the river, and another person we hadn't met before (who says he has friends who also want to start coming out to play).

So I understand it, your capital ship kills in the tournament this list were one Nebulon-B in the third game, and the one VSD the opponent committed of the two he had? Most of your points were out of objectives and fighters?

A lot of victories in this tournament seemed to have come down to victory points from objectives. Mostly those were from Contested Outpost missions. I know my own against the Neb & Villainy list mentioned above was due to Contested Outpost points (and my opponent flying his assault frigate off the board). I had suffered pretty badly from those villains taking out my fighter screens, and then pounding my ships. Putting my Victories to roost on the station paid off in that regard - and our villainous opponent chose that same objective twice, telling me that he'd been playing it a lot recently.

Congrats to Lyraeus for pulling off a win in an unorthodox manner. It was great to see the Nebulon-B's back on the table. I wonder if he's given birth to the Neb-Spam list, which will soon take the scene by storm (or not).

Don't you mean, "take the scene by swarm"? Eh? Ehhhhhh?

havn't heard of anyone talking **** about Neb-Bs in a while

they're great little ships with a high learning curve but a very promising set of returns, especially for the titled beasties

looking forward to Wave 2, where 2-3 Escort Nebs promise to be a great anchor for fleets using B-wings or Silly H-6s

I brought Ficklegreendice out of his hole! Or maybe I don't read threads he posts on recently. . .

Not many talk bad about the Nebulon-B, but a stigma exists.

The funny thing is, for the Superior Positions objective, Nebulon-B's are strong! It is very hard to actually get a LoS shot on the rear arc unless you are in that arc easily.

Fickle is hibernating until wave 2

3 more days?

havn't heard of anyone talking **** about Neb-Bs in a while

they're great little ships with a high learning curve but a very promising set of returns, especially for the titled beasties

looking forward to Wave 2, where 2-3 Escort Nebs promise to be a great anchor for fleets using B-wings or Silly H-6s

I brought Ficklegreendice out of his hole! Or maybe I don't read threads he posts on recently. . .

Not many talk bad about the Nebulon-B, but a stigma exists.

The funny thing is, for the Superior Positions objective, Nebulon-B's are strong! It is very hard to actually get a LoS shot on the rear arc unless you are in that arc easily.

Fickle is hibernating until wave 2

3 more days?

I actually was thinking about that a few days ago.

This is what I love about Armada. Any list / build can do great things. Congratulations on your win with a fun list

I prefer the Neb over the CR90 especially as a "one more ship in this list" thing. Glad to see this kind of list provided some surprise for opponents.

Glad wave 2 is coming. I can't make a competent Imperial list with Wave 1 only. Although that's for another thread.

After much practice with Wave 1 Neb B's (so that I can comment on them from experience and not theory) I've determined they were only as good as their Title. Wave 2 has a chance to change that.

I got murdered with 4 neb b supports and dodonnas pride. So I think we can determine that you are indeed the better man Lyraeus.

At least until you face my devastator list!

After much practice with Wave 1 Neb B's (so that I can comment on them from experience and not theory) I've determined they were only as good as their Title. Wave 2 has a chance to change that.

What makes you say that? Is there something in Wave 2 that has a particular weakness for Nebulon-Bs without titles?

I'm thinking stock support refit neb-bs with slaved turrets spamming focus fire orders while hanging around slave 1 are going to be pretty good.

Knowing Dano it has to do with his lovegasm over Rieekram.

Sounds like you had a well rounded list with all the necessary components to succeed, a solid plan and well thought out objectives. You then executed well and made good decisions to win consistently against varied opponents.

None of this has anything to do with Neb Bs being in your list or not

NB nebs are still great ships!