Genius biggs. I wish that had been my thought process.

Raymus > chirp-a-derp

Chirpy on the other hand can greatly effect the outcome of a battle

how can anyone say 2 blacks and 2 blues are overpriced for 7 points.... You lost me there.

how can anyone say 2 blacks and 2 blues are overpriced for 7 points.... You lost me there.

Raymus gives a squadron token to Yavaris. Which then gets an additional double tap. It's a little bit of a stretch but okay. Really it's 7 points for 1 extra black and blue die, since if the B-wing was in position to double tap, it could have done a squadron phase attack anyway.

Chiraneau has a very obvious effect on the battle.

Raymus is subtle .

Its very hard to directly compare the two.

Personally, I keep Raymus above, because although you might use him as a Squadron Booster for Yavaris, he can very easily flip to Concentrate Fire, or Navigate, or Engineering, to keep Yavaris going... Which I feel make him more useful and powerful.

My favorite thing to do with Raymus is the the speed 1 to speed 3 jump for whatever NebB he is on. Salvation goes flying away. Yavaris goes off to catch up with the squadrons Independence shotgunned into the fight.Then they go back to doing the awesome things they do.

Good list but Chirnau is definitely ranked much higher than he deserves. Even if we restricted it to Empire, Wulff Yularen shows up in far more lists due to his effect on Engine Tech Demolisher and Navigation Team VSDs. If you had to do one for both factions, I'll agree with most here and say Raymus Antiles who can slot well into nearly all Rebel lists.

Raymus gives a squadron token to Yavaris. Which then gets an additional double tap. It's a little bit of a stretch but okay. Really it's 7 points for 1 extra black and blue die, since if the B-wing was in position to double tap, it could have done a squadron phase attack anyway.

good point! Thanks for keeping me honest

I'm really glad I ranked Chirpy where I did, because I think otherwise this thread would have been "nice list" three times and buried.

Tir, I don't see anyone saying Raymus is overcosted. Where did you get that from?

Good list but Chirnau is definitely ranked much higher than he deserves. Even if we restricted it to Empire, Wulff Yularen shows up in far more lists due to his effect on Engine Tech Demolisher and Navigation Team VSDs. If you had to do one for both factions, I'll agree with most here and say Raymus Antiles who can slot well into nearly all Rebel lists.

I hope there's not a ton of navigation team VSDs running around. Do you mean defense liaison?

Raymus is going to be the star of the show for Rebels in Wave 2 as well, given projection specialist + Redemption + Neb.B support is going to be in every list ever.

Is Motti a dud? I do feel like he's overvalued.

What does Chewie have to do with this?

I needed a name for the award. "The Chewies" just sounded good in my head.

Because you let the Wookie win?

Because no matter how good the upgrades are, they still aren't getting a medal.

Is Motti a dud? I do feel like he's overvalued.

What does Chewie have to do with this?

I needed a name for the award. "The Chewies" just sounded good in my head.

Because you let the Wookie win?

I because no matter how good the upgrades are, they still aren't getting a medal.

Was incredible!!!

As for Raymus, I mean, that was a super close call for me. Practically a coin flip. My reasoning was, a lot of times I've used Raymus, I've used him to be a more expensive exp. hangers (Yavaris), to supplement Salvation, or on Tantive IV to toss tokens. But I sort of came to the conclusion that he's not really worth the points on Yavaris, I'd rather run Intel Officer on Salvation (combined with Xi7's its just a giant middle finger to VSD's) and I never seem to bring Tantive despite loving what it does in theory, because I think it best support deep dial ships. In which case I'm probably taking Garm and it seems redundant. So while in a vacuum, I love Raymus' effect and think he's strong and well costed, for the reasons listed above I just never wind up taking him. Chirpy makes his way into a lot of my Rhymer lists though, and I do love me some Rhymer. I went over this with some of my usual adversaries and they also pushed Chirpy, although they never really liked Raymus all that much.

I'm really glad I ranked Chirpy where I did, because I think otherwise this thread would have been "nice list" three times and buried.

Tir, I don't see anyone saying Raymus is overcosted. Where did you get that from?

I think I read to much into your comments above.

Oh ok. I can see where you got that.

Just for me, I run a lot of Garm with Guppies in wave one, so my mileage with Raymus on Yavaris is that I just haven't needed him that often. And when I'm not running Garm, often by the time Yavaris starts activating squadrons I've already taken a squadron token (although not always). So at least for me, he just hasn't had the swing on the board that he has in theorycraft, although ironically, I do often use him to get Yavaris out of danger quicker (nav comm & token).

But yeah, I could have organized my thoughts better in those comments.

Oh ok. I can see where you got that.

Just for me, I run a lot of Garm with Guppies in wave one, so my mileage with Raymus on Yavaris is that I just haven't needed him that often. And when I'm not running Garm, often by the time Yavaris starts activating squadrons I've already taken a squadron token (although not always). So at least for me, he just hasn't had the swing on the board that he has in theorycraft, although ironically, I do often use him to get Yavaris out of danger quicker (nav comm & token).

But yeah, I could have organized my thoughts better in those comments.

I think I'm in the minority that I let yavaris die. I do it to maximize its usefulness get as many turns out of it as I can. Don't get me wrong though There is nothing I can say to argue getting a ship out safe.

Good list but Chirnau is definitely ranked much higher than he deserves. Even if we restricted it to Empire, Wulff Yularen shows up in far more lists due to his effect on Engine Tech Demolisher and Navigation Team VSDs. If you had to do one for both factions, I'll agree with most here and say Raymus Antiles who can slot well into nearly all Rebel lists.

I hope there's not a ton of navigation team VSDs running around. Do you mean defense liaison?

Ah, sorry no. I can't recall the name suddenly, but the upgrade that lets you spend nav tokens for yaw points. Thanks for catching that for me.

Good list but Chirnau is definitely ranked much higher than he deserves. Even if we restricted it to Empire, Wulff Yularen shows up in far more lists due to his effect on Engine Tech Demolisher and Navigation Team VSDs. If you had to do one for both factions, I'll agree with most here and say Raymus Antiles who can slot well into nearly all Rebel lists.

I hope there's not a ton of navigation team VSDs running around. Do you mean defense liaison?

Ah, sorry no. I can't recall the name suddenly, but the upgrade that lets you spend nav tokens for yaw points. Thanks for catching that for me.

Yeah, that's Nav Team, and the VSD doesn't have the upgrade slot for it.