Situation came up in a game last night that I'm not sure is covered in the rules.

I had to make a hard turn with a shuttle and land it on an asteroid with the base completely covering the token (sometimes you've just got to do that with a space bus)

In the next planning phase I asked my opponent if I could mark the position of my shuttle so I could move it to check the position of the asteroid in order to plan my maneuvers with other ships. He allowed it because it was a casual game and that's how we roll - but it did make me wonder if there's any provision for this situation in the rules.

As far as I know, there's nothing in the rules about when the asteroid completely vanishes from sight under the mass of the albino space cow (or any other large ship for that matter). I think it's one of those corner cases that nobody saw coming. And the way you handled it seems the fairest and most logical to me.

As far as I know, there's nothing in the rules about when the asteroid completely vanishes from sight under the mass of the albino space cow (or any other large ship for that matter). I think it's one of those corner cases that nobody saw coming. And the way you handled it seems the fairest and most logical to me.

The closest thing I can find that describes this situation is under the "Moving Through" heading on page 14 of the new Rules Reference - but that only refers to executing maneuvers, not planning them.

MOVING THROUGH

When executing a maneuver, a ship moves through an obstacle or another ship if its maneuver template overlaps that obstacle token or that ship’s base. A ship can move through another ship without issue, but moving through an obstacles produces the effects described in the “Obstacles” section.

• If a ship moves through another ship, the player should hold the maneuver template above the other ship and make his best estimation of where the moving ship should end its movement.

If the players desire greater precision, they can mark the positions of intervening ships, remove those ships to complete the maneuver, then return those ships to their marked positions (maintaining facing).

With that one tiny rock in TFA core set, I think you could cover it even with a small ship. With a large ship it would be quite easy to do. So I would expect this to become more of an issue.

With that one tiny rock in TFA core set, I think you could cover it even with a small ship. With a large ship it would be quite easy to do. So I would expect this to become more of an issue.

That occurred to me too.

In the playing circles I frequent it's the sort of thing that most players would just allow without bothering to check for a rules clarification - even in a tournament - as it's just one of those courtesies both players would prefer to have extended to them.

However I would understand if a player / TO disallowed it in a tourney due to the fact there's nothing in the rules that explicitly -permits it.

I've emailed Frank to see what he thinks

Hmm, this is interesting because you are trying to plan your movement. I don't know if I'd allow it. Since we mark with maneuver templates the majority of the time you could be using the template toassist in your ships movements by essentially premeasuring. I guess, you could ssk the question, should you be allowed to mark it if any part is the asteroid is obscured. You could make the same arugment that you need to see that part of the obstacle to plan your other ships movements. I lean toward no in that situation which leans toward no in the other situation.

Hmm, this is interesting because you are trying to plan your movement. I don't know if I'd allow it. Since we mark with maneuver templates the majority of the time you could be using the template toassist in your ships movements by essentially premeasuring. I guess, you could ssk the question, should you be allowed to mark it if any part is the asteroid is obscured. You could make the same arugment that you need to see that part of the obstacle to plan your other ships movements. I lean toward no in that situation which leans toward no in the other situation.

considering that most players know that a large ship base is the same length and width as a 2-straight template, I don't see how placing a 2-straight template next to a large ship base would provide any additional range / movement information for a player.

Don't get me wrong - if an opponent did not allow it, I'd go along with the call as it's not something that's spelled out in the rules - but I don't think the pre-measuring argument carries a great deal of weight

Since we mark with maneuver templates the majority of the time you could be using the template toassist in your ships movements by essentially premeasuring.

If you're sticking the template in the front nubs that might be true. But myself I put it off to the side with a 1 or 2 straight depending on the size of the base. So that wouldn't help plan a measurement.

Since we mark with maneuver templates the majority of the time you could be using the template toassist in your ships movements by essentially premeasuring.

If you're sticking the template in the front nubs that might be true. But myself I put it off to the side with a 1 or 2 straight depending on the size of the base. So that wouldn't help plan a measurement.

alternatively there's these:

Since we mark with maneuver templates the majority of the time you could be using the template toassist in your ships movements by essentially premeasuring.

If you're sticking the template in the front nubs that might be true. But myself I put it off to the side with a 1 or 2 straight depending on the size of the base. So that wouldn't help plan a measurement.

alternatively there's these:

Or these ...

I saw some that were triangular and numbered with a token to put with the ship you moved out of the way. Those might be nice if you regularly ran something like a TIE swarm where moving 2 or 3 ships out of the way is an every game occurrence.

I don't know how many times I marked the placement of a ship with a 1 straight template and then absentmindedly picked the template up to barrel roll with the ship that I just finished moving.

Hmm, this is interesting because you are trying to plan your movement. I don't know if I'd allow it. Since we mark with maneuver templates the majority of the time you could be using the template toassist in your ships movements by essentially premeasuring. I guess, you could ssk the question, should you be allowed to mark it if any part is the asteroid is obscured. You could make the same arugment that you need to see that part of the obstacle to plan your other ships movements. I lean toward no in that situation which leans toward no in the other situation.

considering that most players know that a large ship base is the same length and width as a 2-straight template, I don't see how placing a 2-straight template next to a large ship base would provide any additional range / movement information for a player.

Don't get me wrong - if an opponent did not allow it, I'd go along with the call as it's not something that's spelled out in the rules - but I don't think the pre-measuring argument carries a great deal of weight

We stick them wherever it makes the most sense which often means a 1 straight in the back or the front. Knowing a ship base is a one template and 2 is a 2 straight is common knowledge, but judging those hile looking st ships is just cause espcially when you introduce angles. Ive made the mistake of misjudging that even though i clearly know a 1 straight is half my large ship base. I feel like allowing it introduces more potentially arguments than just not allowing it especially since you are supposed to plan everything in your head. My vote would just be for not doing it even if your intention is honest and you arent trying to use it for other advantages, some players will. Not allowing it, avoids that all together.

alternatively there's these:

Or these ...

I don't know how many times I marked the placement of a ship with a 1 straight template and then absentmindedly picked the template up to barrel roll with the ship that I just finished moving.

Seen this happen a number of times and have even done it myself. Face palmed after that one.