if those were enough, we'd probably seeing Scyks in somewhere other than the bargain bin

Actually, I disagree. I think even if Laetin were good, few people enough would actually fly him. They have read and perhaps tried a bit that all Scyks are bad and just refuse to even give it a go. I've seen a lot of ships that were bagged as "not good" and flown them very well in tournaments.

If Laetin had been good then different opinions would have been formed and expressed here in the biweekly threads about how bad the Scyk is.

If Laetin had been good then different opinions would have been formed and expressed here in the biweekly threads about how bad the Scyk is.

Oh, you mean those threads posted by people who a: don't own it and b: have never flown it?

Seriously, if you have nothing positive to contribute to the discussion other than flamebait, there's plenty of other topics on the forum.

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

I agree. There is a lot of hype on these forums and few people have actually flown some of these ships. The Scyk is probably the best example of that. How many people have actually flown Laetin? I've done it about twice when I first got him, but I haven't flown him much since then. I'll admit that I haven't really tried using him much. I don't give up on him, though.

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

I suppose it's the ghosts of kir and lorrir dragging him down with them

Anything with 3 dice and the ability to modify them is strong defensively. No one argues that you shouldnt take actions with tie fighters. Not really sure how there is a difference here.

No one seems to be arguing that you shouldn't take actions on a Scyk either. The argument seems to be that a single action on a Scyk isn't enough to protect the points invested in them. TIEs are a cheap effiecient ship. You don't see people loading them down with upgrades.

Interceptors are a good comparison here as they are more expensive and less point efficient. Even being able to take Autothrusters you don't see a lot of people taking mid-PS Interceptors without EPTs because they just don't have a good enough action economy to provide consistent performance. You see a little bit of VI Jax but he has his ability (and usually Palpatine's) to help shore up his defense and help to get hits through.

I could see an empty Serrisu added to a list that takes Evade every turn simply as a spoiler for TLT's. It might take enough shots to bring her down that the rest of the list can do the damage. Maybe throw on another hull?

If Laetin had been good then different opinions would have been formed and expressed here in the biweekly threads about how bad the Scyk is.

Oh, you mean those threads posted by people who a: don't own it and b: have never flown it?

Seriously, if you have nothing positive to contribute to the discussion other than flamebait, there's plenty of other topics on the forum.

How is pointing out the problem with a statement like "even if Scyks were good, they still wouldn't get played because people have said that they are bad" flamebait?

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

Forget that, push the limit makes me sad laetin doesn't have an ept. Focus+evade feels so much better at getting the evade train started than just one or the other.

Quoting myself from another thread:

M3-A could be useful if we had seen a couple changes.

Flechette Cannon- Every so often, I think about this cheap little cannon and wonder why it never sees the table. Then I read the dern thing "if the defender is not stressed, it also receives 1 stress token." What. The. Heck. One stress is not control. That one line ruins this card which is a shame.

Laetin- "The Professor" would be a lovely little TLT killer if he had a stinking EPT slot. Grah! Juke, PTL, all kinds of fun options but no...

Title- As has been brought up over and again, the title should probably be free.

I hope tractor beam ends up being wonderful.

The 2 point title is a killer and these almost-but-not-quite uniques without an EPT are frustrating.

I do have high hopes for a 20pt Spacer with tractor beam and either Hull or Stealth.

Or the 17 point throwaway tractor beamer. 34 points buys you two and depending on what tractor beam does that's a pretty sexy way to spend 34 points.

I agree. There is a lot of hype on these forums and few people have actually flown some of these ships. The Scyk is probably the best example of that. How many people have actually flown Laetin? I've done it about twice when I first got him, but I haven't flown him much since then. I'll admit that I haven't really tried using him much. I don't give up on him, though.

How much table time does someone really need with Scyks to be qualified to have a poor opinion of them? It's not like they've got some sort of trick like a white K-Turn to make up for how inefficient they are. Anyone that flew A-Wings before Rebel Aces or any of the mid-PS Interceptors should know exactly what to expect from Scyks.

Can someone who spends a lot of time playing with Scyks do well? Yeah, they probably could but that's due more to the merits of playing something that you are familiar with than to any attribute of the Scyk itself.

If the M3A gets a defensive buff, I imagine Laetin would become a very good HLC flanker.

I've tried HLC, Hull Upgrade Cartel Spacers a few times - it was alright. To me, it's the most viable setup for the M3A and should be run as a backline or flanking sniper. The problem is keeping things in arc.

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

He also didn't get the boost all the "interceptors" should have.

Soooo yeah, pesky troll is the only niche he can have, with Stealth device and nothing else.

If Laetin had been good then different opinions would have been formed and expressed here in the biweekly threads about how bad the Scyk is.

Oh, you mean those threads posted by people who a: don't own it and b: have never flown it?

Seriously, if you have nothing positive to contribute to the discussion other than flamebait, there's plenty of other topics on the forum.

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

I suppose it's the ghosts of kir and lorrir dragging him down with them

Imagine Kir with Juke and a squad leader/ shuttle buddy to pass him focuses too. Oh what coulda been. Oh, that's just what should have been. Him, Lorrir (at least no stress), and Laetin.

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

Juke makes me sad that Laetin doesn't have an EPT. They'd pair up so well!

I suppose it's the ghosts of kir and lorrir dragging him down with them

Imagine Kir with Juke and a squad leader/ shuttle buddy to pass him focuses too. Oh what coulda been. Oh, that's just what should have been. Him, Lorrir (at least no stress), and Laetin.

Kir Kanos wouldn't really benefit from Juke. You'd need to decide whether you wanted to use his ability or Juke every time you had an evade token at range 2 and 3.

Turkhil is probably a good ship to mix with him, too. Pick the most offensive ship and bump him to the end. Doesn't work much vs. TLT's, but there is more than that.

That was the general idea I had running Laetin, bring Torkhil along and let them and whoever else I put in the squad beat on a priority target that got reduced to PS 0. Had trouble finding a good 3rd squad member though. Ended up with Talonbane Cobra, figured he would be a bigger priority target to allow Laetin to sit at range 3 with the HLC. Worked out well until 4 greens failed to produce a single evade and after I lost the stealth device TLTs did their dirty work over the next few attacks. The Scyk definitely feels a lot like pre-autothruster interceptors where when the green dice fail you there's not much you can do about it.

Re: Kir

Both abilities work during your action. You choose which happens first. The attacking loop doesn't restart.

Not that it matters... They still didn't give us a way to give him an EPT.

EPT: academy trainer, 2pts- Increase your PS by 1. 1 other ship in your list that does not have an EPT may take an EPT.

Re: Kir

Both abilities work during your action. You choose which happens first. The attacking loop doesn't restart.

Not that it matters... They still didn't give us a way to give him an EPT.

EPT: academy trainer, 2pts- Increase your PS by 1. 1 other ship in your list that does not have an EPT may take an EPT.

Kir Kanos's ability requires that you spend the token during the modify attack results step. Juke requires that you possess an Evade token during the modify defense results step. If you spent the token to add a hit result you don't have it when it is time for Juke to trigger.

Ah. I wasn't looking directly at the card. They could have his effect add on like at the end like crackshot when they errata him.

Again, doesn't really matter since it's a what if ability on a card that doesn't see play and won't be errattaed and a card that isn't even released yet. Fun times for homebrew though.