Anyone who has been following Rebels knows the scene I'm talking about. Darth Vader in his TIE Advanced wipes out half of Phoenix Squadron single-handed, then takes down Phoenix Home, a Pelta-Class Frigate that has been modified after the Clone Wars into a capital ship for the Rebellion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvOVL_hhi2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzqT8N3a-pU

Honestly, it's a pretty awesome scene in my opinion. But the real question here is... Could Vader pull it off in X-Wing?

First off, we see Vader take out 4 out of 8 A-Wings. With Vader hanging out at range 4+ of the Pelta, and with Vader equipped with an Engine Upgrade for his modification, along with an Advanced Targeting Computer, I can see him easily pulling his off, arc dodging the PS1 pilots and focus-firing them down one at a time. The real tricky part here comes from him taking out the frigate after only a few passes.

And honestly, I can see this happening, assuming the Pelta-Class Frigate would have stats closer to the Raider(4, 0, 8, 6/6, 0, 8, 4) than the CR-90 (4, 0, 8, 5/5, 0, 8, 3). Vader would have to seriously luck out on attack and evade dice, though.

Vader, with Opportunist, would get a 3 dice+crit shot from range 3, doing up to 4 damage, then slow roll into range 1 to shed the stress of Opportunist, dealing another 3 dice+crit without using Opportunist this time, for a total of 8 damage, not counting crits, then K-turn behind the Pelta into range 1, yet again getting his 3 dice+crit to bring it to 12 damage, not counting crits, and follow up with another slow roll to stay at range one, shed his stress from the K-Turn, and get 4 dice+crit with Opportunist, bringing the total to 17 damage. Throw in, say, two crits that did Structural Collapse, that 17 goes up to 22. If two other crits were Direct Hits, that total would be 24. One more good attack after that could bring it down.

So there you go. Vader with Opportunist, x1, ATC, and Engine Upgrade, and he could've pulled it off. Not accounting for any defensive actions the Pelta would've taken, or damage Vader would've received, of course. So, what do you guys think? Remotely possible in X-Wing?

Side note, is it common to use Opportunist as a capital ship buster in Epic games? Since they can't have evade or focus tokens, it seems like the perfect use for the EPT, since you'll pretty much always be getting the extra attack dice against them.

Happen to have just watched that scene about an hour ago.

I don't think we have to say Vader completely destroyed the ship, it was still intact when they abandoned it. Rather, I would say he just needed to cripple the aft section (the hyperdrive was disabled, the main point of the attack), and lay on a couple of nasty crits for the crew to recognize the need to abandon it.

So even easier than you suggest.

One good hit to cause a chain reaction.

As a longstanding veteran of the clone wars, vader would have an intricate knowledge of those old ships and know where to hit them.

He was just hot on the dice that day that's all

He was just hot on the dice that day that's all

No skill was involved.

He was just hot on the dice that day that's all

No skill was involved.

That's right if you watch clone wars he got shot down almost every time he flew a ship

He fired directly at the shield generators, for what it's worth.

He probably had lightning reflexes equipped - with ATC, and the title. we don't see him fire ordnance. What we do know - he probably was flying against prototype pilots - and if they were a-wings or not is a question - they may be prototypes - so lets say they have shielding more like a scyk at the moment - and they're definitely running chaardan.

He got some direct hits with the ATC - and then got some mean crits on the frigate's aft section. There may have been some long range turbolaser fire involved that we didn't see as we focused on vader.

Another thing to remember, the Rebel ships didn't have military grade shield generators on their ships at that point in the episode, so the thing could have not had much shielding for Vader to punch through; making it even easier for him.

I would say that Darth Vader was JUKEing quite a bit.

No matter how much you guys try to make it work - this scene was so over the top and ridiculous it almost caused me physical pain while watching.

There's no strategy involved here, he just flies straight at them at blasts away - pretty obvious the entire point of this scene (and the script of the entire episode) was to show off how much of a badass Vader is.

Not like that's going to save the show for me, the main characters are still unappealing if you're older than 12.

No matter how much you guys try to make it work - this scene was so over the top and ridiculous it almost caused me physical pain while watching.

There's no strategy involved here, he just flies straight at them at blasts away - pretty obvious the entire point of this scene (and the script of the entire episode) was to show off how much of a badass Vader is.

Not like that's going to save the show for me, the main characters are still unappealing if you're older than 12.

Really? Because I'm 38 years old, and I like almost all the characters.

However, i was young when I saw the original Star Wars, and while I grew up, I never really wanted Star Wars to grow up. Star Wars is a swashbuckling adventure romp with plucky heroes and dastardly villians.

It's a good thing I haven't started the series yet, now I won't have to wonder.

Would it have killed you to at least keep the spoiler out of the frigging title?

http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/guide-proper-spoiler-etiquette-2

I have no idea when this aired, I've not started yet, waiting for an English Language to become available somewhere. Just found one on the Danish Netflix.

I avoid the Rebels discussion thread for the very same purpose.

Keeping it out of the title wouldn't have killed though, would it? Is it too much to ask? That tiny bit of consideration is too much of an effort?

No matter how much you guys try to make it work - this scene was so over the top and ridiculous it almost caused me physical pain while watching.

There's no strategy involved here, he just flies straight at them at blasts away - pretty obvious the entire point of this scene (and the script of the entire episode) was to show off how much of a badass Vader is.

Not like that's going to save the show for me, the main characters are still unappealing if you're older than 12.

Really? Because I'm 38 years old, and I like almost all the characters.

However, i was young when I saw the original Star Wars, and while I grew up, I never really wanted Star Wars to grow up. Star Wars is a swashbuckling adventure romp with plucky heroes and dastardly villians.

You mean space western with Bond'ish villains never even given a chance to win, Indiana jones in flying pancake starship and Uber Mary Sue family line?

It's a good thing I haven't started the series yet, now I won't have to wonder.

Would it have killed you to at least keep the spoiler out of the frigging title?

I apologize for not mentioning in the title that this was a Rebels related topic that may contain spoilers. If I wasn't on the verge of passing out when I posted this, I might have added a spoiler alert.

However, as far as spoilers go, this one is exceptionally minor. You don't have to act like I ruined the entire series for you. If you read the first six words of the first sentence of my post, and you were really dedicated to avoiding spoilers and had left there, you would know that there is something called Phoenix Home, and Vader destroys it. Big whoop. You wouldn't know what Phoenix Home is, you wouldn't know how Vader destroys it, you wouldn't know if any relevant characters died along with it, that's all you'd have. I didn't spoil any major character appearances or deaths, aside from the fact that Vader shows up at some point in this series, without specifying when, why, or for how long.

If you read further down and saw further spoilers after I explicitly mention that I will be discussing Rebels, then you have nobody to blame but yourself and your own curiosity. Again, I am sorry for not mentioning in the title that there would be minor Rebels spoilers in the title, but at the same time, you don't have to get so hurt about it when I mention in the very first sentence that I will be discussing Rebels, after barely having spoiled anything relevant whatsoever.

http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/guide-proper-spoiler-etiquette-2

I have no idea when this aired, I've not started yet, waiting for an English Language to become available somewhere. Just found one on the Danish Netflix.

I avoid the Rebels discussion thread for the very same purpose.

Keeping it out of the title wouldn't have killed though, would it? Is it too much to ask? That tiny bit of consideration is too much of an effort?

It aired June 20th, 2015 - so nearly 5 months ago. Look, I'm sympathetic to your situation, but it was quite a while ago. How long should something be kept hidden? Till everyone has seen it? How do you measure that?

Would it be good form to put a spoiler tag in the title? Yes. The link I posted is a good gauge for when to talk about something.

To put it another way; I purchased a ticket to the Force Awakens for the very first showing I could. The reason, someone will spoil something - I don't want that. I saw the choice as being see it right away, or go on complete media and social blackout until I do.

The nature of modern social networking and news feeds means details will be revealed. While decorum and courtesy should be followed, there is limitations as to how long this extends for.

Now, if I read correctly, you were waiting on a translation, now that is a fair point. However, FFG is a company based out of the united states, and they do provide the forums we post on. As Rebels is also aired in the U.S. First, any discussion based on the show, on a U.S. based companies wensite, is therefore subject to the guidelines i provided above, based on the location and timezone initially aired. The original poster did nothing wrong.

that scene really reminded me of

side note: the Ghost has a piddly ass turret (seriously, least impressive sound I've heard for a weapon firing in a while)

Really enjoyed this scene which showcased how awesome Vader is as a pilot. Also pleased that Vader is now viable in XWing.

Now, the hardest thing to go by with this scene is: We have no idea what Phoenix Home's damage deck looked like!

This was also an epic game with a very large table, and a Star Destroyer. Or... Maybe it was Armada.

Vader's criticals deal damage to capital ships in Armada, which are not normally possible unless a ship has the bomber keyword (normal Advance do not)

Vader's criticals also deal damage to enemy squadrons (also normally not possible), which makes him an absolute monster against enemy squadrons and quite capable of one-shotting generic A-wings

quite possibly was Armada

From the title, I was under the impression that something Vader related had destroyed a house in Phoenix Arizona - Like a faulty voice changer bursting into flames or something!

Author fiat. Or, as it's referred to in the Star Wars universe, "The Force."

Vader's criticals deal damage to capital ships in Armada, which are not normally possible unless a ship has the bomber keyword (normal Advance do not)

Vader's criticals also deal damage to enemy squadrons (also normally not possible), which makes him an absolute monster against enemy squadrons and quite capable of one-shotting generic A-wings

quite possibly was Armada

He's actually better than that. Normally ships without bomber get nothing from crit results, ships with bomber deal damage to ships and can resolve a critical effect. In Armada there are lots of things you can potentially do with crits, but a faceup damage card is still the default. Vader's ability lets him count crit results as damage results and he gets a black die to go with the three blue, so he is possibly the hardest hitting squadron in the game. Wedge and Soontir can compete but in exchange for higher potential they also rely on certain conditions being met. Vader has more consistent damage than either.