You guys do realize that Lawrence Kasdan (Empire Strikes Back) is the chief writer? J.J.'s name is listed as a co-writer, but even he has stated he just "helped". If anyone can write a proper Star Wars story, it's Kasdan!

Yeah I've not once said the movie is bad I haven't seen it so can't make that judgment.

But jj is bad be it at directing or producing so that stops us being optimistic, he is mediocrity embodied the only person I'd like less to be involved is Michael bay.

For the same reason I'm not optimistic about rogue one because I've seen monsters and the last Godzilla both were disapoinments.

Godzilla promised so much from the trailers what we got was less than stellar.

>Hack Director

that's not unbiased or anything

Never claimed to not be biased against him, just explaining to you that people aren't "preemptively hating" on the new Star Wars movie, they're just worried because so far the only information we have about the movie is that the visual style (the only thing JJ seems to care about) looks good, but the actual meat of the movie (what JJ seems to not care about) is apparently just a rehash of the original film.

You say it like RoTJ wasn't in many ways a rehash of the first.

Does everyone who deeply dislikes J.J. Abrams' work also dislike Super 8 and Mission Impossible:3? I actually enjoyed both of those films a good deal and I feel like Abrams can actually get solid performances out actors (which is something Lucas struggled with in the Prequels). Abrams was also the writer of Regarding Henry and Forever Young which were both pretty good. Like many people have stated, I enjoyed his take on Star Trek, but I have also not ever really been a Star Trek fan and these certainly felt more like Star Wars films. It is also important to note that he did not write both of the Star Trek flicks, that goes to the often vilified Orci and Kurtzman combo.

Overall, I think that Abrams is a good choice. I also think Disney understands the property (I think they have done pretty well with Marvel thus far and have even taken some serious chances- Guardians of the Galaxy anyone?). So far the comics have been very good, I have personally enjoyed Rebels a great deal and most of the books have been entertaining (with the exception of Heir to the Jedi, which has the honor of introducing us to the Tootly Froots and their hit single, Vaders Many Mechanical Part... seriously). This is all thanks to the Lucasfilm story group. I have faith in this new age of Star Wars and I am greatly looking forward to not only new films, but new ships!

I can understand why individuals feel skeptical and cautious about this new era, but we must remember that even this is a "first step into a larger world." The Force Awakens should serve an introduction into a scoping arc, just as A New Hope did. This is of course just my opinion, but I am eagerly awaiting December 17th! Plus, if Abrams fails, then we have Rian Johnson waiting in the wings.

I think the backlash is basically more on the label "Star Wars" than anything

"Star Wars" is impossible to live up to, the OT was just really awesome and hit us at such a time that will never come again. We're not going to be wowed by EP 7 no matter how good it is, and somehow I doubt our children will be either

Star Wars is a stupidly high standard, and the film isn't going to meet it. At the same time, the Star Wars prequels are an impossibly low standard so I doubt EP 7 will be nearly as bad

Adjust expectations accordingly, this has every chance in the world to be an entertaining, if not particularly memorable, film

it has a low chance of being something as memorable as the OT, provided the writer and the director do their jobs. The soundtrack and the scattered visuals of the trailers are spot on, at least

finally, this film has a faith-in-humanity destroyingly minuscule chance to be as bad as what we've previously gotten

but whatever happens, the original Star wars happened and won't ever fade, unless Lucas is somehow still hunting down the preservations of the original versions and replacing them with that special edition nonsense.

Try to separate EP 7 from the originals because it really has nothing but a superficial relationship to them. I cannot retroactively make you appreciate the originals less, it can only be good or bad in its own right. Continuity outside the original films (or, in Star Trek's case, TV shows) is overrated as ****

To answer the OP: Super ****ing awesome. Just, like, oh my god, reduced to talking like a highchool girl, so totally, like, awesome.

Lightsabers and spaceships and evil space wizards are fun. My inner child can't wait.

Plus, it's just more fun to be excited than pessimistic. In the end, it's just a movie. If it's no good, all you've really lost is a few bucks for the tickets.

Star Wars is a stupidly high standard, and the film isn't going to meet it. At the same time, the Star Wars prequels are an impossibly low standard so I doubt EP 7 will be nearly as bad

This is very true. My mantra since it was announced has been "Cautious Optimism". As bizarre as it sounds to me to say, the fact that it is Disney is the best news about the whole thing. I have said multiple times that if all we get is only as good as the worst of the Disney Marvel movies I will be deliriously happy.

"Star Wars" is impossible to live up to, the OT was just really awesome and hit us at such a time that will never come again. We're not going to be wowed by EP 7 no matter how good it is, and somehow I doubt our children will be either

I think this is touching on some of the reasons for the strong reactions. SW has gotten bigger than any single film or TV show. By this point it is, for those of us who have loved it for decades, not just about A new movie, it is about a major addition to the franchise, to the legacy. People comment that if this movie is bad it won't change the originals, but it will, because the OT are not 3 separate movies anymore. We no longer perceive Star Wars as a collection of related but independent installments anymore, we (meaning the die-hard fans that have kept it alive for almost 40 years) think of Star Wars as a single, vast entertainment entity, and an installment that damages that gestalt entity damages all of it.

Wow, that sounds pretentious, but I think I get my point across.

I just think Star Wars fans need to get over 15 year old wounds.

Not really wounds

Just have to recognize that Star Wars ended with ROTJ

The rest are all vastly different stories taking place in the same universe

Unless the film creates a deeper connection to the characters and events of the OT-beyond the superficiality of just looking and sounding similar

If it's not good then just forget about it

Drek like the prequels does not deserve to stain our recollection of star wars and we deserve better , not as fans but simply as movie-goers

I don't subscribe to the prequels or EU or anything as being a part of star wars because even the good material affected me in a different (neither better nor worse) way than the OT

Just bearing the franchise name alone doesn't mean **** and fans should recognize this. As Is, it simply promises similar experiences. Whether or not it delivers is entirely up to the viewer

I'm Luke warm towards the movie coming out. Haven't even bought tickets yet. But I'm a huge EU fan. So the plot of the movie will be lackluster for me.

Yeah I've not once said the movie is bad I haven't seen it so can't make that judgment.

But jj is bad be it at directing or producing so that stops us being optimistic, he is mediocrity embodied the only person I'd like less to be involved is Michael bay.

For the same reason I'm not optimistic about rogue one because I've seen monsters and the last Godzilla both were disapoinments.

Godzilla promised so much from the trailers what we got was less than stellar.

It is too soon to call the movie bad,

but it is also too soon to say the movie is any good either.

I'm Luke warm towards the movie coming out. Haven't even bought tickets yet. But I'm a huge EU fan. So the plot of the movie will be lackluster for me.

No matter what happens,we will always have the Original Trilogy.

Now what remains to be seen is if JJ can beat OldGeorge.

It is too soon to call the movie bad,

but it is also too soon to say the movie is any good either.

Exactly.

But we can discuss the quality of the talent involved. Unfortunately, that invariably results in the discussion being about Star Trek movies instead of Star Wars movies and that us what derails the discussions.

It is too soon to call the movie bad,

but it is also too soon to say the movie is any good either.

Exactly.

But we can discuss the quality of the talent involved. Unfortunately, that invariably results in the discussion being about Star Trek movies instead of Star Wars movies and that us what derails the discussions.

Yup. Shall I bring up BSG in this thread to? (Ok ok I wont)

But you can have good movies with new and unknow cast members. everyone has to start somewhere afer all.

I don't have a bad feeling about this. I'm more anxiously optimistic than crazy excited.But that could change on Dec18- I might freak out a lil.

honestly, I'm personally more excited about more X-wing/Armada ships than the actual movie

How do we know Spock was lying back in the original series? Wasn't he under he influence of some alien plant spores?

He said "Vulcan has no moons" in "The Man Trap" - the alien spores were later in "This Side of Paradise"

Did I just fall into the minutae trap?

I don't get it.

I do not understand the preemptive hate for this film. Nothing here we've seen looks even remotely bad.

Star The Force Awakens Wars sounds awesome!

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How do we know Spock was lying back in the original series? Wasn't he under he influence of some alien plant spores?

He said "Vulcan has no moons" in "The Man Trap" - the alien spores were later in "This Side of Paradise"

Did I just fall into the minutae trap?

That's no moon!

Like many here I too am cautiously optimistic. I still remember standing in line and excited to watch TPM and then I saw it. It was ok but I remember during the movie I was bored during some parts. The other two were better compared to TPM. The one thing that does make the prequels ok is the clone wars show. It did a fantastic job of showcasing the Star Wars universe.

When I found out Disney bought Star Wars my first thought was Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! Disney is great at making visually amazing films when it comes to sci fi but they can be boring films. The best part of Tron 2 was the soundtrack. Then I found out JJ was directing it and thought the movie now has a chance of being good. Iv never seen lost but I loved Fringe. I enjoyed his mission impossible film and as a lifelong Trekkie I loved the reboots. They felt like a Star Wars movie in the trek universe and I was ok with that. People who normally hate Star Trek actually started enjoying it, so I have hope the film will be good but I'm not expecting great or amazing only because of the prequels. My wife already bought our tickets for the 18th because she does like the OT. She's actually more optimistic than I about. She hated the prequels. I dont feel that strongly but to each their own.

There's a reason why FFG has avoided anything prequel related.lol

To answer the OP: Super ****ing awesome. Just, like, oh my god, reduced to talking like a highchool girl, so totally, like, awesome.

Lightsabers and spaceships and evil space wizards are fun. My inner child can't wait.

Plus, it's just more fun to be excited than pessimistic. In the end, it's just a movie. If it's no good, all you've really lost is a few bucks for the tickets.

I love this outlook! All the anticipation and excitement you have before the movie is fun! If the movie ends up being a dive, that doesn't take away from the fun you had getting ready for it. And if the movie is bad, you don't have to let it ruin anything. You just move on or move back to what you loved before.

Just bearing the franchise name alone doesn't mean **** and fans should recognize this.

Wait a second. So now if someone doesn't agree with you they aren't a true fan? I disagree. I'm a Star Wars fan. I love the prequels. I love the EU. It's all fun. If it has the Star Wars name on it, then I'll give it a look, because to me, that's enough to make it Star Wars. It's not like Star Wars stories don't go through at least some filter. If I don't like it, fine. But I'm not gonna say it's not Star Wars. It has the brand name on it!

But my opinion doesn't make me any more or less of a fan than you and it doesn't make you any more or less of a fan than me. It really irks me when people start trying to define whether someone is or isn't a fan what they should or should not like if they want to be called a 'fan.'

Plus think of all the ships we'll get! I mean Dengar had what? A two bit part? He's got a ship. And an asymmetric dial! So bam!

I am excited for the new film. That being said, I am trying to keep my expectations at a reasonable level. Not that I think Abrams is a bad director or that Disney is going to kill the franchise, but that the hype train has so much momentum that it would be difficult for any movie to deliver. In any case, we will have more material for our favorite games, which is a win any way that you look at it.

I will say that I have never understood the hate towards Abrams Star Trek films. I get the arguments, but I just don't buy them. Did none of you see Star Trek V? Not to mention the strength of the franchise for me was always better leveraged in a series. Philosophical explorations and nuanced character development often take more time than is typically available in a movie. Plus you can take risks with a tv episode being a flop in a way you never can with a major motion picture. I am not worried about Abrams per se, as I don't think there is a single director that they could have hired that would have been met by universal approval. Let us be honest, there are plenty of fans that are happy that the creator of the saga is not directing again. Not a fan of the old EU and you probably love the Legends decision. If you are a fan of the old EU, you probably hate the Legends decision. There is absolutely no way please everyone when working to reinvigorate a franchise this beloved.

Plus think of all the ships we'll get! I mean Dengar had what? A two bit part? He's got a ship. And an asymmetric dial! So bam!

Well he also had ~30 years of comics and books. The bounty hunter ships with the obvious exception of Slave 1 were all developed later.

But I agree, Jumpmaster hype is real!