"When you reveal green maneuver, you may perform a free barrel roll."

Its not saying that its an action, like " ... you may perform barrel roll as a free action." This is not the case.

So I assume you get your BR even while stressed?

In my copy it does say it is indeed an action....

Premature printing copy maybe? Did you obtain it as a promo or something like that?

I dont think barrel roll or boost has a correpsonding function like focus or avoid where it can tell you to assign a token. To my knowledge, boost and barrel rolls are always actions, free just means you are doing it outside of your chosen action in the perform action step.

Even the wiki image says it's an action. There has been a few cases where early promo images don't have the same wording as the final card does.

For the record, you would perform the barrel roll action before you remove the stress from the green maneuver, so you can't do it even if you would remove the stress after that green maneuver.

To my knowledge, boost and barrel rolls are always actions

No not really. I mean I think they are right now, but Daredevil at one point just said to do a barrel roll, which meant you could do two barrel rolls.

Most things in the game can be but aren't always actions. Unless it has that keyword it's not an action.

You are however completely correct on what a free action is.

Oh right. Found a typo in voidstates squadron builder then.

thanks!

Another one:

Deathrain:

When dropping a bomb, you may use the front guides of your ship. After dropping a bomb, you may perform a free barrel roll action.

When you use EI to drop a mine, you are stressed at this point of time when you barrel roll. So you can't. Right?

No, you can still barrel roll, it just uses the "nested action" structure. Deathrain's ability triggers off of the action of dropping a bomb, and it interrupts the effect of EI to roll before the stress is received.

When you use EI to drop a mine, you are stressed at this point of time when you barrel roll. So you can't. Right?

you can.

explained in detail here:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/189262-deathrain-advanced-sensors-and-bombs/?hl=nested#entry1816278

Aaaand if Darth Vader uses Daredevil for his first action?

Can he perform his second?

Like Daredevil and then boost?

With Vader, that is a second action, not a nested action imo.

No not really. I mean I think they are right now, but Daredevil Expert Handling at one point just said to do a barrel roll, which meant you could do two barrel rolls.

FTFY

I dont think barrel roll or boost has a correpsonding function like focus or avoid where it can tell you to assign a token. To my knowledge, boost and barrel rolls are always actions, free just means you are doing it outside of your chosen action in the perform action step.

I know this came up somewhere else not long ago, but....

Decloaking has you performing non-action boosts or barrel rolls using the 2speed template.

Aaaand if Darth Vader uses Daredevil for his first action?

Can he perform his second?

Like Daredevil and then boost?

I dont think barrel roll or boost has a correpsonding function like focus or avoid where it can tell you to assign a token. To my knowledge, boost and barrel rolls are always actions, free just means you are doing it outside of your chosen action in the perform action step.

I know this came up somewhere else not long ago, but....

Decloaking has you performing non-action boosts or barrel rolls using the 2speed template.

Decloaking is not an action that appears in the action bar. Its not an action at all. The movement might be similar, but its not the same thing. Only closking is an action and, following existing game mechanics, something could exist that would assign a cloak token to your ship without the cloak action. Barrel roll and boost just dont fit into that structure.

I know this came up somewhere else not long ago, but....

Decloaking has you performing non-action boosts or barrel rolls using the 2speed template.

Decloaking is not an action that appears in the action bar. Its not an action at all. The movement might be similar, but its not the same thing. Only closking is an action and, following existing game mechanics, something could exist that would assign a cloak token to your ship without the cloak action. Barrel roll and boost just dont fit into that structure.

Decloaking is not an action that appears in the action bar. Its not an action at all. The movement might be similar, but its not the same thing. Only closking is an action and, following existing game mechanics, something could exist that would assign a cloak token to your ship without the cloak action. Barrel roll and boost just dont fit into that structure.

Focusing is normally an action, but you can be assigned a focus token without performing an action

Barrel roll is normally an action, but you can be told to perform a barrel roll without performing an action. Decloak is one such instance, it explicitly tells you to perform a barrel roll (or boost), not a barrel roll action.

You said

To my knowledge, boost and barrel rolls are always actions,

Edit: thank you digitalbusker, you crafty ninja you.

Yes, just because every case of a barrel roll or boost is currently an action, doesn't mean they are actions by default.

The Barrel Roll action and the Boost action allow you to perform a barrel roll or boost "maneuver" (not to be confused with a normal maneuver)... It's the same thing as a Focus action allows you to assign a focus token to your ship.

Expert Handling used to let you perform a barrel roll, without it being an action until they fixed it.

There isnt currently an instance where barrel roll or boost isnt ana action and I don't expect there to be. That's all I am saying. FFG fixing expert handling shows they always few those as actions.

There isnt currently an instance where barrel roll or boost isnt ana action and I don't expect there to be. That's all I am saying. FFG fixing expert handling shows they always few those as actions.

Decloak is the instance.

It's not. It's not even the same template used. Its a different game mechanic your trying to square peg into round hole because the movement is similar. That's like if I argued a boost is a maneuver becsuse 1 straight is a maneuver.

It's not. It's not even the same template used. Its a different game mechanic your trying to square peg into round hole because the movement is similar. That's like if I argued a boost is a maneuver becsuse 1 straight is a maneuver.

It is. Direct from the decloaking rules

Perform a barrel roll using the [straight 2] maneuver template.

It's not. It's not even the same template used. Its a different game mechanic your trying to square peg into round hole because the movement is similar. That's like if I argued a boost is a maneuver becsuse 1 straight is a maneuver.

Except that the rules themselves disagree with you. Decloaking explicitly involves using a (modified) barrel roll or boost. Quoting directly from Page 8 of the Rules Reference:

When a ship decloaks, it must choose one of the following effects:

• Perform a barrel roll using the 2 [straight] template.
• Perform a boost using the 2 [straight] template.

Also, as another point, it's been long since established that the template used for just about anything can be adjusted without changing the original effect. Hence IG-88D is still S-Looping when he uses a turn template, Lorrir is still barrel rolling despite using a bank template, and Blue Ace is still boosting when using a turn template.

EDIT: Darn ninjas...

Oh right. Found a typo in voidstates squadron builder then.

Oh yeah: never trust the voidstate text. It's all over the place.

I missed the change with cloaking from performing a 2 straight maneuver to a boost using that template.

I wonder why that is.

Although it does open up some design space, in case the designers would want to introduce some Nien Nunb-like abilities to a faction that can cloak.

I missed the change with cloaking from performing a 2 straight maneuver to a boost using that template.

I wonder why that is.

Although it does open up some design space, in case the designers would want to introduce some Nien Nunb-like abilities to a faction that can cloak.

It looks like they changed it with the errata that changed the decloak timing. I'm guessing that the biggest reason that they changed it was because the original card contradicted itself (that and they might have known about the change to clearing stress that came a few months later).

They had one line that reads "Execute a 2 straight maneuver" and then the very next line reads "Decloaking is not an action or a maneuver". The card then goes on to explain that a decloak has all the same limitations as a boost.

If it's not a maneuver, why'd you just tell me to do a maneuver?