So, it's probably a long shot, but is anyone else irked by the idea of a "prototype" being in the game beside its successor? If they would've called it something else altogether, I'm sure it wouldn't bother me at all, but there is just something about it being labeled as a prototype that rubs me the wrong way.

Can anyone give me a reason why the prototype would still be seeing use beside these other commonly used imperial ships when it is trumped by the Tie Advanced in every way? I just need some thematic reassurance is all!

He will allow a Palpatine Aces squad with Whisper. For that alone I am very excited.

What is your idea for this list? shuttle with Palp, Whisper, Inquisitor?

He will allow a Palpatine Aces squad with Whisper. For that alone I am very excited.

What is your idea for this list? shuttle with Palp, Whisper, Inquisitor?

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!163:27,-1:27:15:;56:-1,-1,132,-1:-1:-1:;79:27,36,142:-1:9

He will allow a Palpatine Aces squad with Whisper. For that alone I am very excited.

What is your idea for this list? shuttle with Palp, Whisper, Inquisitor?

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!163:27,-1:27:15:;56:-1,-1,132,-1:-1:-1:;79:27,36,142:-1:9

The Inquisitor — TIE Advanced Prototype 25

Veteran Instincts 1

Autothrusters 2

TIE/v1 1

Omicron Group Pilot — Lambda-Class Shuttle 21

Emperor Palpatine 8

"Whisper" — TIE Phantom 32

Veteran Instincts 1

Fire-Control System 2

Agent Kallus 2

Advanced Cloaking Device 4

Hey I like it. But I would swap out VI for Juke on the Inquisitor.

would have been REALLY cool if the inquisitor came with the Gozanti!!! I dont need more regular ties!!!

I dont need more regular ties!!!

You always need more Tie fighters!

To be fair, I don't have 12 for Epic quite yet.

(silver lining, silver lining....)

The better comparison for this ship is going to likely be the TIE/fo, A-Wing, and pre-title Advanced.

That may very well be true, and it's one of the reasons I suspect the X1 title might actually be legal for the Prototype Advanced. The ship would be strong because of its upgrade possibilities, not strictly the dial or the stats.

I might be inclined to agree with you if the V1 was not a TAP only card. Second, a recent rules clarification has stated that the exact wording must be present when determining if a title is legal on a certain ship. Hence X-wing only and TIE only work on multiple ships. The X1 title states TIE Advanced only. The TAP does not have this wording on the dial or the Pilot Card.

Hence, Crabbock's remark about the Raider above. Its title cards are for a 'corvette' but the ship's cards say 'corv.' No mention in the FAQ. So it stands to reason that 'adv.' and 'advanced' are the same thing for purposes of rules.

Edit: but given to bet, I would guess that the X1 title was meant for the old Advanced only, and that the TAP was not designed with the X1 title in mind. But that is because I am guessing what is on the designer's minds, not what the rules strictly say. And maybe the X1 title would not be overpowered on the TAP.

Huh? Do people think you can't use the Raider's titles because it doesn't match the ship card becasue a word is abbreviated? I've only just bought it so haven't used it yet, nor have I played against one, but this seems a bit silly to me. I mean, just look at the ship tokens you get in the core set to use with the Red Squadron and Black Squadron pilots. If all the wording on everything has to match precisely we've been doing that wrong all this time too.

Yeah but it's Rules As Written versus Rules As Intended. Presently I do think the cards and wording are close enough that a fair case has been made to staple the x1 title onto the Advanced Prototype, but I think that's very much something the developers did not want to do and will be something explicitly verboten in a FAQ update.

If nothing else, it would be the first time a Small ship had access to more than one title, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

The better comparison for this ship is going to likely be the TIE/fo, A-Wing, and pre-title Advanced.

That may very well be true, and it's one of the reasons I suspect the X1 title might actually be legal for the Prototype Advanced. The ship would be strong because of its upgrade possibilities, not strictly the dial or the stats.

I might be inclined to agree with you if the V1 was not a TAP only card. Second, a recent rules clarification has stated that the exact wording must be present when determining if a title is legal on a certain ship. Hence X-wing only and TIE only work on multiple ships. The X1 title states TIE Advanced only. The TAP does not have this wording on the dial or the Pilot Card.

Hence, Crabbock's remark about the Raider above. Its title cards are for a 'corvette' but the ship's cards say 'corv.' No mention in the FAQ. So it stands to reason that 'adv.' and 'advanced' are the same thing for purposes of rules.

Edit: but given to bet, I would guess that the X1 title was meant for the old Advanced only, and that the TAP was not designed with the X1 title in mind. But that is because I am guessing what is on the designer's minds, not what the rules strictly say. And maybe the X1 title would not be overpowered on the TAP.

Huh? Do people think you can't use the Raider's titles because it doesn't match the ship card becasue a word is abbreviated? I've only just bought it so haven't used it yet, nor have I played against one, but this seems a bit silly to me. I mean, just look at the ship tokens you get in the core set to use with the Red Squadron and Black Squadron pilots. If all the wording on everything has to match precisely we've been doing that wrong all this time too.

Page 20 of the new Core Rule book:

Ship-type only: This upgrade can only be equipped to a ship of the specified type. If the ship's type includes the entirety of the restricted type, it can equip that upgrade. For example, a TIE/fo fighter can Upgrade card restricted to "TIE Fighter only".

Did we ever get an official ruling on Raider-Gate from FFG? I just spent 20 minutes looking and not finding anything...

No, we haven't. They may be waiting for Wave 8 to update the FAQ again.

the raider is an epic ship and subject to different forms of classification than normal ships

FFG will FAQ it in due time. Epic is, after all, not the normal game experience. For now, just assume that the card they made to work with the ship can be put on the ship it was made to work with

the raider is an epic ship and subject to different forms of classification than normal ships

FFG will FAQ it in due time. Epic is, after all, not the normal game experience. For now, just assume that the card they made to work with the ship can be put on the ship it was made to work with

And I think we all are doing that...

Their prolonged silence on this issue is intriguing. I wonder if they are playtesting the idea of the V1 and X1 titles working for both the TAP and TIE Advanced. It seems like a logical reason for them to hold off on fixing (officially) this obvious error with the Raider.

There is nothing to test

Tie x1 is blatantly superior and cheaper

There is nothing to test

Tie x1 is blatantly superior and cheaper

It fills a different role though. The TIE Advanced is a tanky TIE with 2 shields and 3 hull. It can afford to joust and take a few hits. The TAP is 2 shields and 2 hull. It is a softer target. The V1 title will help the TAP become a terror to Agility 1 turret ships. I'm also guessing the TAP will be more agile than the Advanced and it can take autothrusters.

Seeing how the Advanced cannot take Autothrusters, this gives the TAP a defensive advantage. Giving the TAP the X1 title and AC would slightly diminish this in hopes of gained offense. It is a trade off though. I'll be curious to see what FFG rules here. I'm inclined to think that the X1 will remain with the Advanced only. I think it defines that ship.

So, it's probably a long shot, but is anyone else irked by the idea of a "prototype" being in the game beside its successor? If they would've called it something else altogether, I'm sure it wouldn't bother me at all, but there is just something about it being labeled as a prototype that rubs me the wrong way.

Can anyone give me a reason why the prototype would still be seeing use beside these other commonly used imperial ships when it is trumped by the Tie Advanced in every way? I just need some thematic reassurance is all!

Must really bother you to have Prototype Pilot A-wings as well.

Or TIE/fos flying next to Howlrunner and the gang.

Or Biggs and Corran in the same squad.

Or any other amount of fluffy weirdness that this game causes.

So, it's probably a long shot, but is anyone else irked by the idea of a "prototype" being in the game beside its successor? If they would've called it something else altogether, I'm sure it wouldn't bother me at all, but there is just something about it being labeled as a prototype that rubs me the wrong way.

Can anyone give me a reason why the prototype would still be seeing use beside these other commonly used imperial ships when it is trumped by the Tie Advanced in every way? I just need some thematic reassurance is all!

Must really bother you to have Prototype Pilot A-wings as well.

Or TIE/fos flying next to Howlrunner and the gang.

Or Biggs and Corran in the same squad.

Or any other amount of fluffy weirdness that this game causes.

as above

also, do note that they called it the Tie Adv. Prototype specifically so that you couldn't take Tie Advance Only cards

if it makes things easier, you could always refer to it by its actual name (Tie Advance v1)

or the Inquisitor Tie

or a half finished Eye of Sauron

So, it's probably a long shot, but is anyone else irked by the idea of a "prototype" being in the game beside its successor? If they would've called it something else altogether, I'm sure it wouldn't bother me at all, but there is just something about it being labeled as a prototype that rubs me the wrong way.

Can anyone give me a reason why the prototype would still be seeing use beside these other commonly used imperial ships when it is trumped by the Tie Advanced in every way? I just need some thematic reassurance is all!

Must really bother you to have Prototype Pilot A-wings as well.

Or TIE/fos flying next to Howlrunner and the gang.

Or Biggs and Corran in the same squad.

Or any other amount of fluffy weirdness that this game causes.

Well I guess the difference is X-wings and Ties were out in mass, so it isn't totally unreasonable to think it would be cheaper to bring an older version of the ship at a cheaper price. And The A-wing prototype I took to mean a prototype of a more advanced version of an A-wing. Perhaps I'm wrong on that though.

But the Tie Adv Prototype seems to be just that- A prototype. A one time deal. NEVER produced in mass production.

But like I said I know it's silly, and your list of things that should bother me is valid, and considering I haven't even watched Rebels and am just talking out of my butt, I'm not sure why I even brought it up haha.

Carry on good gents.

But the Tie Adv Prototype seems to be just that- A prototype. A one time deal. NEVER produced in mass production.

And there's already been at least two TAPs in Rebels, possibly 3(because they blew one up in it's introductory episode, they stole another one later, and I'm not sure if the Inquisitor was seen flying one after that or not).

You never produce just one prototype because if that gets destroyed your bonded, you'd have at least three or four but more likely a squadron so you can try different configurations on several different ships at the same time.

But you'd not send those prototypes into combat you'd wait on the production model which would be cheaper to mass produce.

The inquisitors Getting one as a reward makes sense, having generics fly around does not.

There is nothing to test

Tie x1 is blatantly superior and cheaper

and FAR more expensive ($$)

The inquisitors Getting one as a reward makes sense, having generics fly around does not.

And I think that's what gets me right there. Thematically, a TAP swarm being possible is... odd. And for the record, it also bothers me that you can fly two Millennium Falcons in the same list (NOT the title, but the statistical improvement from the ORS to the named pilots pretty clearly represents the change from a generic YT-1300 to the Falcon).

Would it be awful to have a ship be unique? I guess the answer to that from FFG would be a resounding yes, as there would be no reason to buy multiples of that ship.

Yeah even they admit they goofed with the falcon the title not the pilot should of changed the firepower, it's not a mistake they repeated.

There is nothing to test

Tie x1 is blatantly superior and cheaper

and FAR more expensive ($$)

pay2win confirmed

You never produce just one prototype because if that gets destroyed your bonded, you'd have at least three or four but more likely a squadron so you can try different configurations on several different ships at the same time.

But you'd not send those prototypes into combat you'd wait on the production model which would be cheaper to mass produce.

Yeah even they admit they goofed with the falcon the title not the pilot should of changed the firepower