How am I just finding this thread now? This is great stuff.

I didn't realize they could be carpeted and such, consider that argument successful lol, I shall align them on my next major edit~ Probably even resize them too. Do they not look like hatches at all? Or just because of their orientation? Because were taken from other existing deckplans but I have no problem changing them.

If you want to stick with the grid being a plain grid, you could give it a white background and make the grids hairlines, and I think everyone would understand that’s just a plain grid and isn’t meant to have any representation inside the ship. But if you make the grid lines look three dimensional-ish, then at least some of us are going to assume that those are floor tiles that you can pick up and move around.

As for the hatch, it doesn’t really look like a hatch to me, but if that’s what they look like on the other deckplans, then I’d leave it that way. IMO, there is a great deal to be said for consistency, and in my line of work “standard” is usually better than “better”.

Similarly, upping the bacta tank to 5ft so it's easier on the eye wouldn't be difficult if you think it's a good idea? Honestly I'm wondering if the 2.5ft was a good idea to begin with. But 1ft felt far too small and 5 is the standard for RPGs but always feels so huge, so I thought 2.5 was a good balance.

I think you can do anything you want there, it’s just that I think a 4ft size looks a bit awkward on a 2.5ft grid. You could go smaller or larger, as you see fit. For my part, I would think that what you might do is decide the largest size creature they’re intended to fit, find out how wide that creature might be, and then make the bacta tank slightly larger than that.

So, if they’re supposed to fit a Herglic, and a Herglic is 6.5 feet wide, then the tank would need to be at least 6.5ft wide. Don’t quote me on any of those dimensions or anything, I’m just using that as one potential example without any real knowledge of how big a Herglic is supposed to be.

Or maybe the bacta tank walls are actually created from force fields, and the fluid is stored elsewhere when the tank is not needed? That way the tank could be whatever size is required for the species in question, and could potentially even be somewhat mobile, so that it could be moved out of the way if you needed to make more space.

Dunno. Maybe there are some good ideas there that you can use.

Also while you didn't mention it specifically, yes, there are less escape pods than crew lol So that's not exactly legal.

Oh. Yeah. Safety Of Life In Space (SOLIS) regulations. I had completely forgotten about them.

This is a great thread!

I'm glad I'm not the only one kit-bashing ships together...

My Smuggler Pilot/Rigger is currently calling The Chimera home... a heavily modified armored YT1300, with rather substantial additions from a YT 1760 and a YV-560.

I basically just re-skinned the VCX-350 (thanks Librarian!), and came up with something that looked a bit more like a Star Wars-ish Serenity... it just felt more like something the party could call 'home.'

and the side and top view...

and the side and top view...

Woah! Like those! That's a ship with presence.

This is a great thread!

I'm glad I'm not the only one kit-bashing ships together...

My Smuggler Pilot/Rigger is currently calling The Chimera home... a heavily modified armored YT1300, with rather substantial additions from a YT 1760 and a YV-560.

I basically just re-skinned the VCX-350 (thanks Librarian!), and came up with something that looked a bit more like a Star Wars-ish Serenity... it just felt more like something the party could call 'home.'

That is beastly! Glad you were able to use the stats that I came up with, though!

Glad you like the look of her, Librarian! That means a lot coming from you...

I tried to keep the dimensions as close to the max for Sil 4 without getting too big, and into Sil 5 territory...

as it is, she's just a bit longer than the Falcon, and I found enough multi-deck Sil 4 ships that the three decks didn't seem to out there.

Your thoughts?

Glad you like the look of her, Librarian! That means a lot coming from you...

I tried to keep the dimensions as close to the max for Sil 4 without getting too big, and into Sil 5 territory...

as it is, she's just a bit longer than the Falcon, and I found enough multi-deck Sil 4 ships that the three decks didn't seem to out there.

Your thoughts?

I like the look of her, but I do feel she'd be skirting the mass for Silhouette 5 ship due to sheer bulk/height. There are a few ships I've statted that'd aren't as long as my guidelines for a Silhouette 5 vessel, but due to height, they get into that territory. This one just MIGHT skirt the edge as it is technically 2-3 ships bolted together in a pile.

_{Given the wookiepedia dimensions of The Falcon:}

_{Length - 34.37 M}

_{Width - 25.61 M}

_{Height - 8.27}

_{I figured that the dimensions of The Chimera would end up}

_{Length 42.5 M}

_{Width 26.5 M}

_{Height 11.5 M}

_{Which I figure still has it firmly in Sil 4 territory... but I'd defer to you on that if you disagree. I know that Silhouette is more than just size, but given the engine layout and integration (the 'look' of the ship) it didn't feel too out of place.}

Glad you like the look of her, Librarian! That means a lot coming from you...

I tried to keep the dimensions as close to the max for Sil 4 without getting too big, and into Sil 5 territory...

as it is, she's just a bit longer than the Falcon, and I found enough multi-deck Sil 4 ships that the three decks didn't seem to out there.

Your thoughts?

I like the look of her, but I do feel she'd be skirting the mass for Silhouette 5 ship due to sheer bulk/height. There are a few ships I've statted that'd aren't as long as my guidelines for a Silhouette 5 vessel, but due to height, they get into that territory. This one just MIGHT skirt the edge as it is technically 2-3 ships bolted together in a pile.

What were your guidelines btw?

Also, I don't want to de-rail this thread!

Keep the adventures of 4NDY and Yake coming! I want to see schematics for that crazy ship!

I see a Kessel Run between The Chimera and The Pancake (until she's otherwise named) in their future...

_{Given the wookiepedia dimensions of The Falcon:}

_{Length - 34.37 M}

_{Width - 25.61 M}

_{Height - 8.27}

_{I figured that the dimensions of The Chimera would end up}

_{Length 42.5 M}

_{Width 26.5 M}

_{Height 11.5 M}

I’m confused. You bolted three ships one on top of the other, and yet somehow the overall height increase is only 39%, instead of 300%?

How does that work?

Well, to be fair - the three ships got combined into 1 ship with three decks - they weren't bolted bottom to top, but integrated.

Also, to figure out the actual length, I took the dimensions of The Falcon as a given - that was 100% of the length of the primary ship, added on the additional length for the engines to come up with a total length (in Photoshop), and then figured the actual height of the ship as a percentage of that actual length.

So that's what the actual drawing came up with, as opposed to any napkin math in my head... which is usually somewhat fuzzy to begin with, and ends up all sodden with gin.

Also... I didn't want to get *too* hung up on the mechanical realities of mashing together three ships to build a new one...

it's a nice story (Old Uncle Shep runs a black market shipyard and... black market out of a derelict/used ship yard. Our young hero grows up piecing together scraps of ships to make money and learn how to become the best pilot and mechanic this side of the galaxy, until he runs off to join the rebellion and fight the empire... his illusions get shattered pretty quickly, and he eventually limps away from a battle he never should have been in, barely making it out with his plucky astromech at his side. Now he's back to smuggling, in a pieced together ship that he can just barely keep from falling out of the sky... One step ahead of the Hutts, who is uncle is deep with, the Empire, and maybe even the Rebellion - if anyone finds out that he made it out of that battle alive, he's a deserter...).

It's a re-skin of a VCX-350, and it cost him about as much as one of those costs to build The Chimera...

And I like the look - it's similar enough to the Serenity to make a few people at our table smile, while still keeping to the CEC look we all love so much.

What were your guidelines btw?

To quote my Freighter Creation Thread :

A Note on Silhouette: One of the challenges was determining Silhouette. My current rule of thumb has been as follows:

-- If it is less than 50 meters long or wide, it counts as Silhouette 4

-- If it is smaller than 50 meters but is exceedingly bulky in some way, I made it a Silhouette 5.

If you disagree but believe the ship needs to be bigger, you can do so by increasing the cargo (3-10x depending on the craft), Hull and System Strain (based on craft, of course), shields (extra facings), and sensors (often increasing from Short to Medium). Depending on the vehicle, it may take a Handling hit, but that all depends upon the vehicle.

That was just my own fuzzy math on it, as every ship that FFG published at that time that was at least 50 meters was a Silhouette 5. As Silhouette is overall size, I figured it made sense.

A few ships I've statted have broken the length rule, such as the Guardian -class Light Cruiser (42 meters), but that was also due to other circumstances such as width, height, and available systems (such as a method to rack TIE Fighters).

_{Given the wookiepedia dimensions of The Falcon:}

_{Length - 34.37 M}

_{Width - 25.61 M}

_{Height - 8.27}

_{I figured that the dimensions of The Chimera would end up}

_{Length 42.5 M}

_{Width 26.5 M}

_{Height 11.5 M}

I’m confused. You bolted three ships one on top of the other, and yet somehow the overall height increase is only 39%, instead of 300%?

How does that work?

Well, to be fair - the three ships got combined into 1 ship with three decks - they weren't bolted bottom to top, but integrated.

Also, to figure out the actual length, I took the dimensions of The Falcon as a given - that was 100% of the length of the primary ship, added on the additional length for the engines to come up with a total length (in Photoshop), and then figured the actual height of the ship as a percentage of that actual length.

So that's what the actual drawing came up with, as opposed to any napkin math in my head... which is usually somewhat fuzzy to begin with, and ends up all sodden with gin.

Okay, throwing in my two cents on this (and ladyjulianne, please accept my apologies for the derailing).

First, you've taken three ships and bolted them together. An average sentient is under two meters, and ships tend to be tall enough for beings that are more like 2.5 meters. This means that your ship has a MINIMUM of 7.5 meters of space for just walking around in.

You then need to factor in how thick each "deck" is, noting that most ships have decks that are difficult to breach in the case of a hull breach (or, ya know, a Gammorrean holding an X-Wing cannon shooting through the decks). It's mostly just a thinner hull, but that's still space.

In addition to that, you need the space for anything going on between the plates, such as wiring, piping, etc.

As an example, the Millennium Falcon is 8.27 meters tall with sensor dish. Let's omit 2 meters for the dish (an estimate), leaving us with 6.27 meters of pure ship. Let's calculate that 2.5 meters is the height of the various passages (as Chewbacca is 2.28m tall and still has headroom), leaving us with 3.77m for armor and decks. Split in half, we get 1.885m per side.

This would mean that you'd have a minimum of 4 "sides" (one top, two "betweens", and one bottom), giving us 7.54 meters. For walking room, you'd need another 7.5 meters.

Not including any extra height with cannons, a raised cockpit, or additional armor (note that this is just assuming Armor 3 like the Falcon), you're ship should be 15.04m tall by simple calculations. With thicker armor, sensor array, or anything else like that, we could be looking at 18-20m.

Second, by measurements of how things are drawn, the numbers don't add up. Measuring with a ruler on my screen, the length is 7" and the height is about 2.5". If drawn to scale, that means 1" is about 6.07m, meaning your height should be at least 15.17m by that math. Not far from the association above.

This height and the length over 40m might tip it into Silhouette 5 territory, if only just barely. It's up for debate, honestly, as we don't have any official guidelines on how height impacts Silhouette but it is something to consider.

Regardless, it is your game, and if it works at your table, then who am I to argue? I'm just trying to ensure that what I'm doing is consistent for the next few projects, and finding outliers to it may change my entire paradigm (and could mean a WHOLE lot of work with revamping if I want to continue supporting my fellow GMs). I'd waffle on your ship, and probably stat up both Silhouette 4 and Silhouette 5 versions (see my creation thread for the differences) and leave the decision to the GM at the table.

This would mean that you'd have a minimum of 4 "sides" (one top, two "betweens", and one bottom), giving us 7.54 meters. For walking room, you'd need another 7.5 meters.

Not including any extra height with cannons, a raised cockpit, or additional armor (note that this is just assuming Armor 3 like the Falcon), you're ship should be 15.04m tall by simple calculations. With thicker armor, sensor array, or anything else like that, we could be looking at 18-20m.

This seems much more plausible to me. Thanks!

On a related note, I would also wonder what kind of story might lead to these three ships being bolted together?

I can see a failed landing attempt where the pilot was coming in much too fast could take out the underside and landing gear of the ship on the top.

For the ship on the bottom, I can imagine where it might have been on the ground during an armed invasion that heavily damaged the upper superstructure.

But what about that ship in the middle? Inquiring minds want to know!

So, been busy the last couple days, but here's where I'm at so far.
http://imgur.com/a/Gcqe9

Dimensions:

So, been busy the last couple days, but here's where I'm at so far.

http://imgur.com/a/Gcqe9

Dimensions:

35m Length

48m Width

??m Height (I'm looking at 10m or less after reading you guys talk about the height things, the lower deck is exactly the same height as standard for a YT-1300, the upper is a fairly shallow deck just for living, so no extra height where it's not needed. But it also opens into the upper turrets directly, not through a shaft. So it's at least tall enough to do that. And the ship wouldn't be armored or anything. (beyond stock).

Aft of the top deck will be a kitching/eating/lounge area with bay windows.

Main deck is 90% cargo but I'll squeeze in a refresher or two just in case.

The boxes with X's in them are elevators/lifts (box with an X is standard symbol for elevator) and the rectangles with < or > in them are ramps. Currently 2 freight elevators, 2 loading ramps, 1 10ft wide loading door/bay, and 4 elevators to the upper deck, with backup ladders at the front pair in case of loss of power.

Captain's suite is pretty obvious. Co-pilot's cabin is as well. Gunners' quarters are a pair of double bunks and a locker each. There will be at least one public refresher up there, if not two. Just haven't gotten there.

The computer banks just outside the cockpit are the loading controls for the bay doors, arms, and tractor beams. The floor panel bits are the windows down into the loading areas.

This is fantastic. I'm going to be using this in my game (and I'm turning Yake into an NPC as well). I'll write more fully when I have time but couldn't not post just to say this is awesome work. Very impressed!

So, been busy the last couple days, but here's where I'm at so far.

http://imgur.com/a/Gcqe9

Dimensions:

35m Length

48m Width

??m Height (I'm looking at 10m or less after reading you guys talk about the height things, the lower deck is exactly the same height as standard for a YT-1300, the upper is a fairly shallow deck just for living, so no extra height where it's not needed. But it also opens into the upper turrets directly, not through a shaft. So it's at least tall enough to do that. And the ship wouldn't be armored or anything. (beyond stock).

Aft of the top deck will be a kitching/eating/lounge area with bay windows.

Main deck is 90% cargo but I'll squeeze in a refresher or two just in case.

The boxes with X's in them are elevators/lifts (box with an X is standard symbol for elevator) and the rectangles with < or > in them are ramps. Currently 2 freight elevators, 2 loading ramps, 1 10ft wide loading door/bay, and 4 elevators to the upper deck, with backup ladders at the front pair in case of loss of power.

Captain's suite is pretty obvious. Co-pilot's cabin is as well. Gunners' quarters are a pair of double bunks and a locker each. There will be at least one public refresher up there, if not two. Just haven't gotten there.

The computer banks just outside the cockpit are the loading controls for the bay doors, arms, and tractor beams. The floor panel bits are the windows down into the loading areas.

So you are technically adding a second deck to grant the additional housing space (i.e. "main" deck for general work/cargo, second deck for housing)? I didn't think multiple decks were stock on YT-1300s, so I'm just trying to keep up here.

My guess would be about 11-15 meters tall with two decks, give or take based on what is added (cannons, sensor arrays, etc).Gives you enough space for any of the standard sentients to fit in there (with some exceptions).

Let me know once the official details are on it when you're done, and I'll be glad to offer a stat writeup. I'm disappearing for the holiday (in-laws and apartment hunting in another state), but I'll be back next week for a few days.

Second decks are by no means stock lol, you are right. Elevated cockpits can be, but not entire second decks. He's basically making a rigid core to put down the center of the merging to act as a spine or such. But the fact that it's living only means it doesn't need super duty flooring or 10+ ft high ceilings to allow cargo. And I'm glad it's enjoyed so far: )

What were your guidelines btw?

To quote my Freighter Creation Thread :

A Note on Silhouette: One of the challenges was determining Silhouette. My current rule of thumb has been as follows:

-- If it is less than 50 meters long or wide, it counts as Silhouette 4

-- If it is smaller than 50 meters but is exceedingly bulky in some way, I made it a Silhouette 5.

If you disagree but believe the ship needs to be bigger, you can do so by increasing the cargo (3-10x depending on the craft), Hull and System Strain (based on craft, of course), shields (extra facings), and sensors (often increasing from Short to Medium). Depending on the vehicle, it may take a Handling hit, but that all depends upon the vehicle.

That was just my own fuzzy math on it, as every ship that FFG published at that time that was at least 50 meters was a Silhouette 5. As Silhouette is overall size, I figured it made sense.

A few ships I've statted have broken the length rule, such as the Guardian -class Light Cruiser (42 meters), but that was also due to other circumstances such as width, height, and available systems (such as a method to rack TIE Fighters).

_{Given the wookiepedia dimensions of The Falcon:}

_{Length - 34.37 M}

_{Width - 25.61 M}

_{Height - 8.27}

_{I figured that the dimensions of The Chimera would end up}

_{Length 42.5 M}

_{Width 26.5 M}

_{Height 11.5 M}

I’m confused. You bolted three ships one on top of the other, and yet somehow the overall height increase is only 39%, instead of 300%?

How does that work?

Well, to be fair - the three ships got combined into 1 ship with three decks - they weren't bolted bottom to top, but integrated.

Also, to figure out the actual length, I took the dimensions of The Falcon as a given - that was 100% of the length of the primary ship, added on the additional length for the engines to come up with a total length (in Photoshop), and then figured the actual height of the ship as a percentage of that actual length.

So that's what the actual drawing came up with, as opposed to any napkin math in my head... which is usually somewhat fuzzy to begin with, and ends up all sodden with gin.

Okay, throwing in my two cents on this (and ladyjulianne, please accept my apologies for the derailing).

First, you've taken three ships and bolted them together. An average sentient is under two meters, and ships tend to be tall enough for beings that are more like 2.5 meters. This means that your ship has a MINIMUM of 7.5 meters of space for just walking around in.

You then need to factor in how thick each "deck" is, noting that most ships have decks that are difficult to breach in the case of a hull breach (or, ya know, a Gammorrean holding an X-Wing cannon shooting through the decks). It's mostly just a thinner hull, but that's still space.

In addition to that, you need the space for anything going on between the plates, such as wiring, piping, etc.

As an example, the Millennium Falcon is 8.27 meters tall with sensor dish. Let's omit 2 meters for the dish (an estimate), leaving us with 6.27 meters of pure ship. Let's calculate that 2.5 meters is the height of the various passages (as Chewbacca is 2.28m tall and still has headroom), leaving us with 3.77m for armor and decks. Split in half, we get 1.885m per side.

This would mean that you'd have a minimum of 4 "sides" (one top, two "betweens", and one bottom), giving us 7.54 meters. For walking room, you'd need another 7.5 meters.

Not including any extra height with cannons, a raised cockpit, or additional armor (note that this is just assuming Armor 3 like the Falcon), you're ship should be 15.04m tall by simple calculations. With thicker armor, sensor array, or anything else like that, we could be looking at 18-20m.

Second, by measurements of how things are drawn, the numbers don't add up. Measuring with a ruler on my screen, the length is 7" and the height is about 2.5". If drawn to scale, that means 1" is about 6.07m, meaning your height should be at least 15.17m by that math. Not far from the association above.

This height and the length over 40m might tip it into Silhouette 5 territory, if only just barely. It's up for debate, honestly, as we don't have any official guidelines on how height impacts Silhouette but it is something to consider.

Regardless, it is your game, and if it works at your table, then who am I to argue? I'm just trying to ensure that what I'm doing is consistent for the next few projects, and finding outliers to it may change my entire paradigm (and could mean a WHOLE lot of work with revamping if I want to continue supporting my fellow GMs). I'd waffle on your ship, and probably stat up both Silhouette 4 and Silhouette 5 versions (see my creation thread for the differences) and leave the decision to the GM at the table.

OK -

After perusing this, I went back to my original photoshop file, and - Lo, and Behold - there's a ruler tool. Why I didn't come across before is beyond me. Probably something to do with the gin soaked napkin I was doing my original dimension math on...

Regardless, using that, and referencing the original width of a 'stock' armored YT1300, which is the primary hull this beast is built around (and unchanged, most importantly), I get the following dimensions - (again, these are the dimensions of the ship as illustrated )

Length: 36.28 m

Width: 25.61 m

Height: 12.25 m

so... a little shorter, and a little taller than my prior estimate.

Now, whether or not that 'works' is debatable, I suppose... but I really like the lines of the ship as is.

Perhaps our intrepid ship builder reconfigured the internal baffle generators to compensate for the thinner internal decks, or something...

So, been busy the last couple days, but here's where I'm at so far.

http://imgur.com/a/Gcqe9

Dimensions:

35m Length

48m Width

??m Height (I'm looking at 10m or less after reading you guys talk about the height things, the lower deck is exactly the same height as standard for a YT-1300, the upper is a fairly shallow deck just for living, so no extra height where it's not needed. But it also opens into the upper turrets directly, not through a shaft. So it's at least tall enough to do that. And the ship wouldn't be armored or anything. (beyond stock).

Aft of the top deck will be a kitching/eating/lounge area with bay windows.

Main deck is 90% cargo but I'll squeeze in a refresher or two just in case.

The boxes with X's in them are elevators/lifts (box with an X is standard symbol for elevator) and the rectangles with < or > in them are ramps. Currently 2 freight elevators, 2 loading ramps, 1 10ft wide loading door/bay, and 4 elevators to the upper deck, with backup ladders at the front pair in case of loss of power.

Captain's suite is pretty obvious. Co-pilot's cabin is as well. Gunners' quarters are a pair of double bunks and a locker each. There will be at least one public refresher up there, if not two. Just haven't gotten there.

The computer banks just outside the cockpit are the loading controls for the bay doors, arms, and tractor beams. The floor panel bits are the windows down into the loading areas.

And this is made of pure win.

I can't wait to see the final deck plans...

Yours are waaaay nicer than anything I could come with.

Ladyjulianne -

If you'd ever be interested in doing a commissioned set of deck plans, let me know...

Ladyjulianne -

If you'd ever be interested in doing a commissioned set of deck plans, let me know...

Soon as I'm done with the Pankcake and the Gandfather (the OP ship finally has a name!) I will let you know~