Talking with my friend last night and he mentioned reading an article here (though could not produce it) how Carnor Jax's ability does not only apply to enemies near him but rather to every enemy at Range 1 of...anything.

I balked. Figured there would be a clear delineation and proceeded to bring it up on a builder -- To find the ability is somewhat vague when glanced at this angle.

"Enemy ships at Range 1 cannot perform focus or evade actions and cannot spend focus or evade tokens"

There's no clarification that it is Carnor's ship they must be at Range 1 of (no 'of you' to be seen). It only specifies "Enemy ships at Range 1".

But neither is their a specification of Range 1 of any friendly ship.

Been looking the last bit for a faq, clarification, or other opinion on this. This sounds ridiculous...but am I wrong?

That is totally insane. There's no way that can be true, that would be ridiculously OP.

Lando's pilot ability is worded similarly, if your friend's case was correct, you'd see a lot more Landos.

From the Rules Reference on Card Abilities, pg. 8 "The word “you” on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise." The first sentence clarifies that you is not you the player, but the ship. The second sentence restricts the ability on the ship card as affecting the ship which has the ability unless it specifies otherwise. So, no Carnor Jax's ability is measured from him and him alone. If it didn't it would say, every enemy within Range 1 of any friendly ship.

From the Rules Reference on Card Abilities, pg. 8 "The word “you” on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise." The first sentence clarifies that you is not you the player, but the ship. The second sentence restricts the ability on the ship card as affecting the ship which has the ability unless it specifies otherwise.

The first sentence does not apply. The second sentence is the relevant rule.

So, no Carnor Jax's ability is measured from him and him alone. If it didn't it would say, every enemy within Range 1 of any friendly ship.

Correct.

From the Rules Reference on Card Abilities, pg. 8 "The word “you” on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise." The first sentence clarifies that you is not you the player, but the ship. The second sentence restricts the ability on the ship card as affecting the ship which has the ability unless it specifies otherwise.

The first sentence does not apply. The second sentence is the relevant rule.

So, no Carnor Jax's ability is measured from him and him alone. If it didn't it would say, every enemy within Range 1 of any friendly ship.

Correct.

I pointed out the first sentence so that his buddy couldn't say the ship does restrict the ability by specifying you. And I don't see the necessity of you telling me I am correct when my conclusion draws directly from the rule. I don't see the purpose of your reply. Does a post need confirmation by someone with a high post count in order to be correct?

And I don't see the necessity of you telling me I am correct when my conclusion draws directly from the rule. I don't see the purpose of your reply. Does a post need confirmation by someone with a high post count in order to be correct?

He was agreeing with you and showing consensus for your response. Why are you acting like an ass about it?

Yeah, dude, chill out a bit.

The rule proved my response. His reply added nothing to the discussion. When I see a reply answer a question I see no need to jump in and say anything.

And I don't see the necessity of you telling me I am correct when my conclusion draws directly from the rule. I don't see the purpose of your reply. Does a post need confirmation by someone with a high post count in order to be correct?

He was agreeing with you and showing consensus for your response. Why are you acting like an ass about

While I am not so thin skinned that I can't take being called an a**, it is not appropriate language for the forums.

The rule proved my response. His reply added nothing to the discussion. When I see a reply answer a question I see no need to jump in and say anything.

Now that I actually read your response it looks like you quoted something from the rules that the OP knew was there. So your reply didn't add anything to the conversation either. As the OP wrote, the word "you" never shows up on Carnor Jax's card.

As far as I can tell there's nothing in the rules that actually says anything like:

"Whenever 'at range' is mentioned there is an implied 'from you' unless another reference point is included"

A lot of rules fall apart if you don't make the assumption that 'at range' always uses the ship in question as one of the reference points unless it says otherwise. Whoever wrote whatever OP's friend is referring to (but can't seem to find) was being deliberately obtuse to come to the conclusion that they did.

From the Rules Reference on Card Abilities, pg. 8 "The word “you” on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise." The first sentence clarifies that you is not you the player, but the ship. The second sentence restricts the ability on the ship card as affecting the ship which has the ability unless it specifies otherwise.

The first sentence does not apply. The second sentence is the relevant rule.

So, no Carnor Jax's ability is measured from him and him alone. If it didn't it would say, every enemy within Range 1 of any friendly ship.

Correct.

I pointed out the first sentence so that his buddy couldn't say the ship does restrict the ability by specifying you. And I don't see the necessity of you telling me I am correct when my conclusion draws directly from the rule. I don't see the purpose of your reply. Does a post need confirmation by someone with a high post count in order to be correct?

What is the purpose of this reply? I certainly can't find it.

And I don't see the necessity of you telling me I am correct when my conclusion draws directly from the rule. I don't see the purpose of your reply. Does a post need confirmation by someone with a high post count in order to be correct?

He was agreeing with you and showing consensus for your response. Why are you acting like an ass about it?

I don't think he was acting like an a**. It looks like, in this response below, dhowtocor was correcting him and shooting him down, saying the "first sentence doesn't apply." It was kept in to be complete and show how "you" is defined in the rules to shut down the guy the OP says interprets the rules wrong. What is really getting lost here is how extreme that person's interpretation of Jax's ability. He'd be an auto-include in every list!

dhowtocor, on 12 Nov 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

From the Rules Reference on Card Abilities, pg. 8 "The word “you” on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise." The first sentence clarifies that you is not you the player, but the ship. The second sentence restricts the ability on the ship card as affecting the ship which has the ability unless it specifies otherwise.

The first sentence does not apply. The second sentence is the relevant rule.

Thanks much for the consensus guys. Sounds like the right conclusion, of course. It's just easier to assume that, when it doesn't specify, it implies the ship in question.

With the rules interpretation, my friend had whipped up a Carnor/Zertik list with a couple spare TIEs.

The mere implication that each ship would deny focus, evade, and Range 1 attack bonuses had me sobbing, fetal position in the corner, contemplating the meaning of life.

The funny thing about western world forums is that everyone gets offended over nothing.

Everybody consideres it his holy duty to make_sure_everyone_knows_he_is_offended.

Chill guys, or you'll get Greedo'ed!

From the Rules Reference on Card Abilities, pg. 8 "The word “you” on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise." The first sentence clarifies that you is not you the player, but the ship. The second sentence restricts the ability on the ship card as affecting the ship which has the ability unless it specifies otherwise.

The first sentence does not apply. The second sentence is the relevant rule.

So, no Carnor Jax's ability is measured from him and him alone. If it didn't it would say, every enemy within Range 1 of any friendly ship.

Correct.

I pointed out the first sentence so that his buddy couldn't say the ship does restrict the ability by specifying you. And I don't see the necessity of you telling me I am correct when my conclusion draws directly from the rule. I don't see the purpose of your reply. Does a post need confirmation by someone with a high post count in order to be correct?

What is the purpose of this reply? I certainly can't find it.

The purpose was to get added to my ignore list. Done.

FAQ page 15:

FAQ page 15:

Q: Some card abilities, such as “Howlrunner,” Biggs

Darklighter, and Squad Leader depend on a certain range

requirement in order to take effect. From where is this

range requirement measured?

A: It is measured from the ship that has this ability. For example, Howlrunner’s

ability affects friendly ships at Range 1 from Howlrunner’s ship.

... and there it is.

I concur. There it is. I also understand that this post adds nothing to the discussion.