Does anyone find the artwork for Verena to be a bit weird. I mean compared to the box art it looks like two different people? Maybe its the different color hair but Elssa doesn't look like Elsa anymore

Does anyone find the artwork for Verena to be a bit weird. I mean compared to the box art it looks like two different people? Maybe its the different color hair but Elssa doesn't look like Elsa anymore

I agree. the art on her card feels off. Doesn't mesh with the other character art either to me for some reason.

I was saying the same thing yesterday. The box cover art looks great. The character cards for her look too digital. It clashes with the other characters look and doesn't look as good. It looks more like an animated cartoon than anything.

All three seem to be good in skirmish.

None of them fits into my current lists.

Someone on BGG talks about a power creep in this expansion, that would really be a shame, but I don't really see that. the core heroees are still pretty brutal when fully leveled.

I hope they'll make Verena able to utilize melee weapons properly, we need more heroes with melee focus. She has one ability that's pistol dependant, perhaps her other 3xp'er is melee dependent? Would be cool.

EDIT: aand yeah. the art of Verena is off compaered to the rest of the game. Was another artisk used for her?

Skirmish Leia is a much needed power creep for all Rebel lists.

I agree, I really don't see the power creep.

The new heroes are good but I don't see them strictly better than the core heroes.

If that were true, Loku would be way better than Mak, and I don't see that (yet).

I think Venera will be good with a cleave melee weapon as it will enable chains like shown in the article, although Point Blank Range is really good and could be a sizeable loss of damage by skipping. We will have to see her other cards to see if PBR is skippable.

Someone on BGG talks about a power creep in this expansion, that would really be a shame, but I don't really see that.

If xwing has taught me anything, it's that unless something is way underpowered, there's *always* someone complaining about power creep.

I can’t be the only one thinking Talos’s talent to “use the enemy’s dice pool” is beyond ridiculous and unbalanced. So, for only two point she picks up Vader’s lightsaber and rolls his dice to hit someone else? I should imagine that what makes Vader’s dice RRY is the fact that his skill is rolled into those numbers, so why is she using his “skill”? An AT-ST drops so she rips the guns off of it and shoots something else? A nexu dies so she makes a meat puppet out of it and “bites” someone else? Really? Even in skirmish she is over the top: for an action she takes Vader’s saber away from him and stabs him with it???

I think Venera will be good with a cleave melee weapon as it will enable chains like shown in the article, although Point Blank Range is really good and could be a sizeable loss of damage by skipping. We will have to see her other cards to see if PBR is skippable.

The problem with PBS is that it's dependent on specific weapons, most of which don't get the full leverage out of it. Currently there are 4 pistols in the item decks (with a 5th one confirmed for rth):

DH17: This one will usually have pierce 1 from a surge, the second pierce is much worse than the first (Upgrading the die is still good though).

DL44: Benefits a lot but that only puts it to the level of a tier 2 item.

Doomhammer: Great if you have an accuracy attachment, only worth the pierce 1 otherwise.

Sporting Blaster: See the dh17 except the third point of pierce is even worse.

Defender: This one is flat out amazing (although you still might need another weapon for when you don't want to triple tap).

Furthermore it does nothing to help Close Quarters which will be a sizable portion of Elsa's DPS. I don't think it'll be bad but nor do I think it'll be a key card for her.

I can’t be the only one thinking Talos’s talent to “use the enemy’s dice pool” is beyond ridiculous and unbalanced. So, for only two point she picks up Vader’s lightsaber and rolls his dice to hit someone else? I should imagine that what makes Vader’s dice RRY is the fact that his skill is rolled into those numbers, so why is she using his “skill”? An AT-ST drops so she rips the guns off of it and shoots something else? A nexu dies so she makes a meat puppet out of it and “bites” someone else? Really? Even in skirmish she is over the top: for an action she takes Vader’s saber away from him and stabs him with it???

only if she defeats the enemy she uses the defeated enemies attack pool. none of the surge powers though, she gets her own surges for the next attack.

I imagine it is like, when action heroes shoot bad guys with the guns of the current bad guy they are fighting. like in my example above, she takes out a royal guard, uses the defeated guards force pike and break it over another bad guys head,

I think it is interesting and sounds really fun and can only be stacked if she is has the strain. i cant wait to play against her in the campaign

I imagine it is like, when action heroes shoot bad guys with the guns of the current bad guy they are fighting. like in my example above, she takes out a royal guard, uses the defeated guards force pike and break it over another bad guys head,

That is exactly my point; why is she using Vader full RRY attack rather than a normal lightsaber's attack? What about Nexu or AT-ST's?

And no, she doesn't have to defeat the figure, the wording says she simply has to be adjacent to it when it is defeated.

I imagine it is like, when action heroes shoot bad guys with the guns of the current bad guy they are fighting. like in my example above, she takes out a royal guard, uses the defeated guards force pike and break it over another bad guys head,

That is exactly my point; why is she using Vader full RRY attack rather than a normal lightsaber's attack? What about Nexu or AT-ST's?

I imagine it is like, when action heroes shoot bad guys with the guns of the current bad guy they are fighting. like in my example above, she takes out a royal guard, uses the defeated guards force pike and break it over another bad guys head,

That is exactly my point; why is she using Vader full RRY attack rather than a normal lightsaber's attack? What about Nexu or AT-ST's?

Don’t be scared to let the imagination run wild!

AT-ST: As it slams on the ground, it lets off a blaster shot that “luckily” targets an Imperial figure or Verena commandeers the AT-ST via grappling hook, let’s off a shot, and leaps out leaving a concussion grenade behind

Nexu: Verena one shots a Nexu mid-pounce and ducks as the Nexu’s body sails over her and slams into an imperial figure

I imagine it is like, when action heroes shoot bad guys with the guns of the current bad guy they are fighting. like in my example above, she takes out a royal guard, uses the defeated guards force pike and break it over another bad guys head,

That is exactly my point; why is she using Vader full RRY attack rather than a normal lightsaber's attack? What about Nexu or AT-ST's?

Don’t be scared to let the imagination run wild!

AT-ST: As it slams on the ground, it lets off a blaster shot that “luckily” targets an Imperial figure or Verena commandeers the AT-ST via grappling hook, let’s off a shot, and leaps out leaving a concussion grenade behind

Nexu: Verena one shots a Nexu mid-pounce and ducks as the Nexu’s body sails over her and slams into an imperial figure

If those were rare events, I wouldn't mind. but oh look, and at-st died... and oh look, she made it shoot someone else as it went down... again... if there was an element of CHANCE I think it would work better, otherwise she's even more amazing than the force users in her luck...

I'm really excited to use Verena, but I'm having a hard time figuring out whether to go towards melee or ranged. I guess we need to see her starting weapon and the rest of her stats (and the other new weapons) in the set, but I feel like Vibro Knucklers could be a lot of fun. The other thought would be the the DDC Defender+Spread Barrel, which would give her a much higher chance of defeating a figure and triggering Close Quarters.

I imagine it is like, when action heroes shoot bad guys with the guns of the current bad guy they are fighting. like in my example above, she takes out a royal guard, uses the defeated guards force pike and break it over another bad guys head,

That is exactly my point; why is she using Vader full RRY attack rather than a normal lightsaber's attack? What about Nexu or AT-ST's?

Don’t be scared to let the imagination run wild!

AT-ST: As it slams on the ground, it lets off a blaster shot that “luckily” targets an Imperial figure or Verena commandeers the AT-ST via grappling hook, let’s off a shot, and leaps out leaving a concussion grenade behind

Nexu: Verena one shots a Nexu mid-pounce and ducks as the Nexu’s body sails over her and slams into an imperial figure

If those were rare events, I wouldn't mind. but oh look, and at-st died... and oh look, she made it shoot someone else as it went down... again... if there was an element of CHANCE I think it would work better, otherwise she's even more amazing than the force users in her luck...

Obviously in the case of Vader, Nexu, and Wampa she rips the defeated figure's arm off and hits you with it. In Vader's case his robot arm is still active and holding a lightsaber, thus the skill added.

Verena is well trained in Wookie martial arts.

Obviously in the case of Vader, Nexu, and Wampa she rips the defeated figure's arm off and hits you with it. In Vader's case his robot arm is still active and holding a lightsaber, thus the skill added.

Verena is well trained in Wookie martial arts.

She's still got a ways to go before she's at Master Bink's level. He was incredible. That guy could rip your arm off, interlace his toes within your wiring, and proceed to blast you using kicks to fire the arm's blaster. It's an amazing Drunken Master type style, meant to fool you into thinking he's the fool. But no... then you realize you are following that fool, and are all the more foolish for it.

I'm really excited to use Verena, but I'm having a hard time figuring out whether to go towards melee or ranged. I guess we need to see her starting weapon and the rest of her stats (and the other new weapons) in the set, but I feel like Vibro Knucklers could be a lot of fun. The other thought would be the the DDC Defender+Spread Barrel, which would give her a much higher chance of defeating a figure and triggering Close Quarters.

I bet it is a pistol.

I imagine it is like, when action heroes shoot bad guys with the guns of the current bad guy they are fighting. like in my example above, she takes out a royal guard, uses the defeated guards force pike and break it over another bad guys head,

That is exactly my point; why is she using Vader full RRY attack rather than a normal lightsaber's attack? What about Nexu or AT-ST's?

Don’t be scared to let the imagination run wild!

AT-ST: As it slams on the ground, it lets off a blaster shot that “luckily” targets an Imperial figure or Verena commandeers the AT-ST via grappling hook, let’s off a shot, and leaps out leaving a concussion grenade behind

Nexu: Verena one shots a Nexu mid-pounce and ducks as the Nexu’s body sails over her and slams into an imperial figure

If those were rare events, I wouldn't mind. but oh look, and at-st died... and oh look, she made it shoot someone else as it went down... again... if there was an element of CHANCE I think it would work better, otherwise she's even more amazing than the force users in her luck...

Dice rolls aren't chance? She still has to roll with their loadout, not like she gets a maximum damage output automatically.

Yeah, while getting Vader's RRY attack is sweet, you don't have access to the incredible surge abilities he have.

Yeah, while getting Vader's RRY attack is sweet, you don't have access to the incredible surge abilities he have.

I bet that is one thing a lot of people will miss. You get to roll their dice, without using ANY surge abilities. (Except recover 1 strain.)

Suddenly using a Royal Guard's/Imperial Officer/Probe Droids weapon just got a lot less exciting.

Yeah, while getting Vader's RRY attack is sweet, you don't have access to the incredible surge abilities he have.

I bet that is one thing a lot of people will miss. You get to roll their dice, without using ANY surge abilities. (Except recover 1 strain.)

Suddenly using a Royal Guard's/Imperial Officer/Probe Droids weapon just got a lot less exciting.

Great point.

Biv’s melee attack of C&P (hero version/no class card upgrades) has taught us that attack dice without being able to spend surges can be pretty underwhelming.

Yeah, while getting Vader's RRY attack is sweet, you don't have access to the incredible surge abilities he have.

I bet that is one thing a lot of people will miss. You get to roll their dice, without using ANY surge abilities. (Except recover 1 strain.)

Suddenly using a Royal Guard's/Imperial Officer/Probe Droids weapon just got a lot less exciting.

Great point.

Biv’s melee attack of C&P (hero version/no class card upgrades) has taught us that attack dice without being able to spend surges can be pretty underwhelming.

Yeah this basically my experience with biv. The attachment is nice but I think next time I'd just spring for the surge abilities first.

Yeah, while getting Vader's RRY attack is sweet, you don't have access to the incredible surge abilities he have.

I bet that is one thing a lot of people will miss. You get to roll their dice, without using ANY surge abilities. (Except recover 1 strain.)

Suddenly using a Royal Guard's/Imperial Officer/Probe Droids weapon just got a lot less exciting.

Great point.

Biv’s melee attack of C&P (hero version/no class card upgrades) has taught us that attack dice without being able to spend surges can be pretty underwhelming.

Yeah this basically my experience with biv. The attachment is nice but I think next time I'd just spring for the surge abilities first.

Have been playing Biv in a live streamed campaign (shameless plug, there are videos at the YouTube channel in my signature), and I mention more than once in the second mission that he has no good surge options. Can be frustrating, because he rolls reasonable surges. If I wasn't getting the surges it would probably bug me less.