I've considered an alternate take where the clones were not the base troopers of the wars, but were instead the key feature. In this, the Republic had an army but it lacked for experienced military leaders. Clones of historical leaders were given flash-learning sessions to provide the experinces of their previous incarnations. These were then put in command positions. It happens that many of the cloned individuals were force-sensitive (usually Jedi) and the clones of these individuals were highly unstable. This instability caused some of the most spectacular atrocities of the Clone Wars.
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I've considered an alternate take where the clones were not the base troopers of the wars, but were instead the key feature. In this, the Republic had an army but it lacked for experienced military leaders. Clones of historical leaders were given flash-learning sessions to provide the experinces of their previous incarnations. These were then put in command positions. It happens that many of the cloned individuals were force-sensitive (usually Jedi) and the clones of these individuals were highly unstable. This instability caused some of the most spectacular atrocities of the Clone Wars.
Thats a very good idea. Hell, you could even have these unstable clones eventually turn on the Republic, and the Republic have to clean up their own mess.
I like it. Kudos
I've considered an alternate take where the clones were not the base troopers of the wars, but were instead the key feature. In this, the Republic had an army but it lacked for experienced military leaders. Clones of historical leaders were given flash-learning sessions to provide the experinces of their previous incarnations. These were then put in command positions. It happens that many of the cloned individuals were force-sensitive (usually Jedi) and the clones of these individuals were highly unstable. This instability caused some of the most spectacular atrocities of the Clone Wars.
Thats a very good idea. Hell, you could even have these unstable clones eventually turn on the Republic, and the Republic have to clean up their own mess.
I like it. Kudos
Oh, they do, and since the mad ones were clones of Jedi it comes to look like the Jedi plotted to take down the Republic.
Well, I'm gonna get extra ridiculous on this and invent a Star Wars equivalent of S.H.I.E.L.D led by Mace Windu. So that I can I can run an Agents of Shield campaign taking place shortly before order 66 occurs. Mace doesn't die but goes into hiding while Sith take up positions in the organization. The organization tracks down force sensatives and either sends them to the jedis for training, neutralizes them and leaves them on a watch list, or imprisons them if they're terrible. Meanwhile the Sith recruits those they can out of the bunch. And when Order 66 happens, the Sith and Clones in hiding turn on the organization and force the players group, and SW Coulson into hiding to rebuild.
Its nonsense, but I'm at work at I think of nonsense.
Well, I'm gonna get extra ridiculous on this and invent a Star Wars equivalent of S.H.I.E.L.D led by Mace Windu. So that I can I can run an Agents of Shield campaign taking place shortly before order 66 occurs. Mace doesn't die but goes into hiding while Sith take up positions in the organization. The organization tracks down force sensatives and either sends them to the jedis for training, neutralizes them and leaves them on a watch list, or imprisons them if they're terrible. Meanwhile the Sith recruits those they can out of the bunch. And when Order 66 happens, the Sith and Clones in hiding turn on the organization and force the players group, and SW Coulson into hiding to rebuild.
Its nonsense, but I'm at work at I think of nonsense.
Well, I'm gonna get extra ridiculous on this and invent a Star Wars equivalent of S.H.I.E.L.D led by Mace Windu. So that I can I can run an Agents of Shield campaign taking place shortly before order 66 occurs. Mace doesn't die but goes into hiding while Sith take up positions in the organization. The organization tracks down force sensatives and either sends them to the jedis for training, neutralizes them and leaves them on a watch list, or imprisons them if they're terrible. Meanwhile the Sith recruits those they can out of the bunch. And when Order 66 happens, the Sith and Clones in hiding turn on the organization and force the players group, and SW Coulson into hiding to rebuild.
Its nonsense, but I'm at work at I think of nonsense.
You can do whatever you want, really. I mean, KOTOR proved that people liked Star Wars even when its not remotely the same characters or overall events involved.
As long as your thematics, environment and flavour are the same as Star Wars, you players will derive a lot Star-wars related fun out of your made-up world. That is, in my opinion, part of the magic of the setting.
I think part of what I was getting at is that Star Wars is nonsense, and it's enjoyable. the two things are not always related lol. Just different people enjoy different forms of nonsense.
Lol at this point since there have been two I'm thinking about starting a cool EotE crossover story thread
So I'm a new GM and I'm running EotE for 4 groups. To make things easier on myself, I am running the same campaign to start with for all four groups; after that, I plan to run more one-shot style adventures until I've written up some long campaigns.
My way of doing everything is this: They are in the same timeline as Star Wars, it's not long after the destruction of the first Death Star. I don't plan to introduce any established characters, this isn't their story and they aren't a requirement to make Star Wars what it is.
As far as Alternate Timelines go, you could say each of my groups is playing in an alternate timeline, experiencing similar adventures but the player's choices diverge the stories and make them more unique to each group.
I see... I am so glad I didn't care about star wars until the clone wars happened. That sounds like nonsense to me. But by all means, do you.
I dont see how this is any less nonesense compared to the *********** we have had.
Just starting with the name. We rarely name a war based on your own army, but we rather define it as the opposition. It should have been something like "The Separatist War" or "the Corporate Insurrection" since the sponsors of the bad side of that war were all big megacorporations.
No. Instead we had a silly war involving disposable armies that had zero emotional involvement. Just the same soldiers copied thousands of times on both side.
Plus, the Republic Army was build in secret without its own freakkin' knowledge. I mean, COME ON. Thats stupid and riddled with plot holes all over. Who paid for that army? Its not just a random planetary garrison that was paid for. It was a Galactic-scale army, equipped with a full combat fleet. Nobody asked about it?
It's a pretty simple answer: The Sith. The Sith are the reason no one knew about it. They existed for 1,000 years without anyone ever figuring out they were still around, so it's not surprising that they could engineer the creation of an army without the Republic having any knowledge of it. The Sith had MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of credits - a lot Sith were really savvy business persons. Hell, Plagueis was huge in the Banking Clan, so he likely paid for it - well, Sidious did, after he killed Plagueis and stole all his money.
Remember, Kamino was largely unknown, as well. Star Wars is full of ridiculousness - the OT is guility of it all over. That's pretty much by design. It's space fantasy, not strictly science-fiction, so it plays on fantasy tropes. There's a level of suspension of disbelief that must happen on part of the audience, which a lot of fantasy relies upon. Sure, the films have to be able to provide a solid base for it, but that's the idea. When you look at the little intricacies of the PT, you can see where it all fits in.
Edited by StarkJuniorI am sorry, but there is nothing in the OT that even comes close to the Republic Accepting a Galactic Army already bought and paid for with no idea of the origin of its funding, which has been apparently been mobilizing for ten years.
Thats stupid on a cracker. Its Donald Trump stupid.
I am sorry, but there is nothing in the OT that even comes close to the Republic Accepting a Galactic Army already bought and paid for with no idea of the origin of its funding, which has been apparently been mobilizing for ten years.
Thats stupid on a cracker. Its Donald Trump stupid.
Again: The Sith. That's the reason.
I am sorry, but there is nothing in the OT that even comes close to the Republic Accepting a Galactic Army already bought and paid for with no idea of the origin of its funding, which has been apparently been mobilizing for ten years.
Thats stupid on a cracker. Its Donald Trump stupid.
Again: The Sith. That's the reason.
The source of funding is not the source of the problem. The fact that no one seems to ask where billions of.billions of credits popped into existence to fund an army ten years before the political crisis that justified its existence.
No offense, but the fact that nobody even raised that point is stupid. Nobody in the entire Republic.
The Clones should simply have been the Elite of the Separatists meant to supplement the Droids..
No offense, but the fact that nobody even raised that point is stupid. Nobody in the entire Republic.
But Master Sifo Dyas was involved. Surely that makes everything okay.
;)
No offense, but the fact that nobody even raised that point is stupid. Nobody in the entire Republic.
But Master Sifo Dyas was involved. Surely that makes everything okay.
When I was a kid, I thought they were just talking about Qui-Gonn Jinn. He was also a Jedi Master that seemed to know more than he let on, who was also killed over 10 years before Episode 2.
Introducing a mysterious Jedi Master that no one knew about and had absolutely 0 ties to the story (turns out, Tyrannus/Dooku just impersonated him) was pointless.
At least JJ is gonna pull a series saving move that will make those awful memories just that. He's basically pulling a XMen DoFP without the time travel. And anyone who says Force Awakens wont be good is a total pessimist.
I recently wrote an alternate universe version of the prequels, in which the Jedi were a secret society, the clones were enemies of the Republic, and Palpatine and Anakin succumbed to the temptation to use the Force to "save" the Republic by squelching an inefficient democracy.
Another potential AU I've considered is: what would happen if Arvel Crynyd hadn't crashed his A-Wing into the bridge of the Executor? Maybe the Executor's battle group defeats the Rebels at the cost of the Death Star, and you wind up with virtually every main character either dead or presumed dead and the entire galaxy ruled by small-time warlords, with remnants of the Imperial and Rebel fleets working as mercenaries.
I see... I am so glad I didn't care about star wars until the clone wars happened. That sounds like nonsense to me. But by all means, do you.
I dont see how this is any less nonesense compared to the *********** we have had.
Just starting with the name. We rarely name a war based on your own army, but we rather define it as the opposition. It should have been something like "The Separatist War" or "the Corporate Insurrection" since the sponsors of the bad side of that war were all big megacorporations.
No. Instead we had a silly war involving disposable armies that had zero emotional involvement. Just the same soldiers copied thousands of times on both side.
Plus, the Republic Army was build in secret without its own freakkin' knowledge. I mean, COME ON. Thats stupid and riddled with plot holes all over. Who paid for that army? Its not just a random planetary garrison that was paid for. It was a Galactic-scale army, equipped with a full combat fleet. Nobody asked about it?
It's a pretty simple answer: The Sith. The Sith are the reason no one knew about it. They existed for 1,000 years without anyone ever figuring out they were still around, so it's not surprising that they could engineer the creation of an army without the Republic having any knowledge of it. The Sith had MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of credits - a lot Sith were really savvy business persons. Hell, Plagueis was huge in the Banking Clan, so he likely paid for it - well, Sidious did, after he killed Plagueis and stole all his money.
Remember, Kamino was largely unknown, as well. Star Wars is full of ridiculousness - the OT is guility of it all over. That's pretty much by design. It's space fantasy, not strictly science-fiction, so it plays on fantasy tropes. There's a level of suspension of disbelief that must happen on part of the audience, which a lot of fantasy relies upon. Sure, the films have to be able to provide a solid base for it, but that's the idea. When you look at the little intricacies of the PT, you can see where it all fits in.
I don't think the idea of the Sith going unnoticed for a thousand years is really ridiculous honestly. Two beings at a time working to gather resources and very slowly push events to a boiling point in a galaxy of trillions would not find it hard to hide IMO
What I find odd is how the hell did Yoda know about the rule of two?
Edited by RogueCoronaI see... I am so glad I didn't care about star wars until the clone wars happened. That sounds like nonsense to me. But by all means, do you.
I dont see how this is any less nonesense compared to the *********** we have had.
Just starting with the name. We rarely name a war based on your own army, but we rather define it as the opposition. It should have been something like "The Separatist War" or "the Corporate Insurrection" since the sponsors of the bad side of that war were all big megacorporations.
No. Instead we had a silly war involving disposable armies that had zero emotional involvement. Just the same soldiers copied thousands of times on both side.
Plus, the Republic Army was build in secret without its own freakkin' knowledge. I mean, COME ON. Thats stupid and riddled with plot holes all over. Who paid for that army? Its not just a random planetary garrison that was paid for. It was a Galactic-scale army, equipped with a full combat fleet. Nobody asked about it?
It's a pretty simple answer: The Sith. The Sith are the reason no one knew about it. They existed for 1,000 years without anyone ever figuring out they were still around, so it's not surprising that they could engineer the creation of an army without the Republic having any knowledge of it. The Sith had MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of credits - a lot Sith were really savvy business persons. Hell, Plagueis was huge in the Banking Clan, so he likely paid for it - well, Sidious did, after he killed Plagueis and stole all his money.
Remember, Kamino was largely unknown, as well. Star Wars is full of ridiculousness - the OT is guility of it all over. That's pretty much by design. It's space fantasy, not strictly science-fiction, so it plays on fantasy tropes. There's a level of suspension of disbelief that must happen on part of the audience, which a lot of fantasy relies upon. Sure, the films have to be able to provide a solid base for it, but that's the idea. When you look at the little intricacies of the PT, you can see where it all fits in.
I don't think the idea of the Sith going unnoticed for a thousand years is really ridiculous honestly. Two beings at a time working to gather resources and very slowly push events to a boiling point in a galaxy of trillions would not find it hard to hide IMO
What I find odd is how the hell did Yoda know about the rule of two?
Was the rule of two in effect that whole time? My memory is fuzzy and the Inquisitors in Rebels suggest it wasn't, or at least not strictly.
I don't know if Yoda knew the Rule of Two. He just knew that "Always two, there are." It's possible he could have assumed that there were hundreds, in total, because wherever you found one, you'd find another since that's been his experience.
I thought that this was the case, myself, until the Rule of Two was mentioned here and I had to go consult Darth Google to figure out what that was. It didn't seem like it was a big thing when he said it. The main jedi characters that were out adventuring around seemed to follow the same rule. Qui Gon had Obi Won. Obi Won had Anakin. Anakin had the girl from Clone Wars show whose name escapes me...
Even if he actually knew it as a Sith rule, in 900 years, he might have had an opportunities to learn about it. Yoda, at some point, was a padawan. His own master may have taught it to him.
Edited by PrettyHaleyExcept that by the time Yoda was born the Sith were believed to be extinct so it isn't like he had encountered Sith before.
The rule of two began with Darth Bane immediately after the Battle of Ruusan (where the Jedi thought the Sith were entirely wiped out). It's one of the things that doesn't reconcile particularly well between media (which might be fixed in the upcoming trilogy).
It's important to remember that Yoda's line existed before "The Rule of Two". It makes more sense in that context. Before the Darth Bane novels (which is now Legends), the rule of two could have existed for several thousand years, and documented thoroughly by Jedi Shadows.
Edited by kaosoeJust proves the degree of a *********** the Prequels were, if it requires that much of patchwork just to make the overall story make sense.
I mean, not that dropping a horizontally fired torpedo down a vertical shaft 100s of meters long into a completely unprotected power core makes all kinds of sense either~