Then you need to add 40 dollars for the core set which is necessary to play.

As said in post 12, the core set was not included unless specifically needed. And for this Worlds, each player would receive a damage deck, meaning you could skate by on third party dice and templates.

Then you need to include the price of the third party pieces as well.

Considering that FFG is ONLY giving out the deck at this specific event, the prices listed are in no way indicative of the actual cost to get into the game with these list. It's lazy, and frankly, irresponsible.

Then you need to add 40 dollars for the core set which is necessary to play.

As said in post 12, the core set was not included unless specifically needed. And for this Worlds, each player would receive a damage deck, meaning you could skate by on third party dice and templates.

Everyone hear that, the core set was not included.

So, was he core set included?

Then you need to include the price of the third party pieces as well.

Considering that FFG is ONLY giving out the deck at this specific event, the prices listed are in no way indicative of the actual cost to get into the game with these list. It's lazy, and frankly, irresponsible.

Well, if we're talking irresponsible, we ARE still talking about spending hundreds of dollars on plastic spaceships so we can go pew pew, right?

Then you need to add 40 dollars for the core set which is necessary to play.

As said in post 12, the core set was not included unless specifically needed. And for this Worlds, each player would receive a damage deck, meaning you could skate by on third party dice and templates.

Incorrect. It's either core set or official dice pack. Third party dice are illegal for tournament play.

Then you need to include the price of the third party pieces as well.

Considering that FFG is ONLY giving out the deck at this specific event, the prices listed are in no way indicative of the actual cost to get into the game with these list. It's lazy, and frankly, irresponsible.

Well, if we're talking irresponsible, we ARE still talking about spending hundreds of dollars on plastic spaceships so we can go pew pew, right?

No I think nikk is correct...if a little blunt. I view these prices as the cost a brand new player could likely assume to build the lists used. Thus it is fair to factor in the cost of the core as 99% or more of those newbies will get their templates and dice from a core. And with this tourney over there aren't any more free damage decks that we know of. So the cost of a core really should be factored in.

We should be interested in what the full cost to play the list is...not what the player who ran th list might have had to buy recently to run it.

I don't understand why everyone is so concerned with list prices lately. You don't like how much it costs? Don't spend it! $200 seems like a lot, but I am pretty sure a newbie isn't going to go out and drop all that money for a tournament winning list after he/she plays the game once.

Heck, we are complaining about $200 for a list but mention nothing about the price it actually takes to get yourself to worlds? Or any other regional championship? You are going to spend far more there...

Can we just all agree that the best of the best have about $500+ invested and we don't need to worry about how they spend their money.

Even a causal gamer can spend a couple hundred bucks on this game over the course of a couple years easily and be able to field many of these top 16 lists. All I would need to field Pheaver's list is one K-wing (which I was gonna buy eventually) and the stress bot card, probably from EBay, because I haven't bought any huge ships yet. And I don't consider myself competitive in the least. I see nothing wrong with the costs associated with competing in a world miniatures gaming competition, in fact it seems pretty cheap in comparison to a lot of things.

I guess people just have to complain.

Then you need to include the price of the third party pieces as well.

Considering that FFG is ONLY giving out the deck at this specific event, the prices listed are in no way indicative of the actual cost to get into the game with these list. It's lazy, and frankly, irresponsible.

Well, if we're talking irresponsible, we ARE still talking about spending hundreds of dollars on plastic spaceships so we can go pew pew, right?

No I think nikk is correct...if a little blunt. I view these prices as the cost a brand new player could likely assume to build the lists used. Thus it is fair to factor in the cost of the core as 99% or more of those newbies will get their templates and dice from a core. And with this tourney over there aren't any more free damage decks that we know of. So the cost of a core really should be factored in.

We should be interested in what the full cost to play the list is...not what the player who ran th list might have had to buy recently to run it.

I think we disagree here. X-Wing has a very long learning curve, its absolutely not steep but very long. A new player buying in at the winning list will lose near all of those games against any of the other top 16 and it will increase the steepness of the learning curve to improve.

A new player should first start out by getting a core set and a couple of ships that he thinks are cool or thinks fit his playstyle. Then after you have gotten into the first part of the game you can expand to more specific lists/ships that need a game plan.

My gaming buddies and I test lists before taking them to tournaments, changing ships, upgrades and sometimes the entire gameplan. As you improve over time you will expand your collection.

Buying in to a hobby by getting a winning list in a ever changing meta were skill has a big impact is IMO the dumbest thing you can do.

Besides, the cost of a list is a simple matter of adding up the expansions.

Even a causal gamer can spend a couple hundred bucks on this game over the course of a couple years easily and be able to field many of these top 16 lists. All I would need to field Pheaver's list is one K-wing (which I was gonna buy eventually) and the stress bot card, probably from EBay, because I haven't bought any huge ships yet. And I don't consider myself competitive in the least. I see nothing wrong with the costs associated with competing in a world miniatures gaming competition, in fact it seems pretty cheap in comparison to a lot of things.

I guess people just have to complain.

Not everyone can actually afford all the x-wing stuff they want, and the cost of the game is significant to them, so they need assurances that they will be able to be effective on a limited budget. Secondly, they want to be effective today, not in one years time when they've collected enough stuff. (They will be still be a year behind as the veterans will also acquire stuff). We know this isn't realistic in a skill based game, but people can have dreams.

So you're in a position where you can afford it, and you can use $200 lists.

Now think about the things that were expensive for you to purchase, that you had to think carefully about. A car perhaps? There are people who might say "Who cares about the price of cars? A Ferrari is only $150,000 and that's cheap compared to any other means of transport. A jet is at least 10 million. I guess some people just have to complain. Poor people are so stupid and whiny."

To me, you're both saying the same thing.

There will always be a financial cost associated with the game, and it will always matter to some section of players. Dismissing the issue as nonsense seems unusual to me.

Remember that many players at worlds had to crowd fund their travel and accomodation cost for worlds. They simply could not afford to attend the tournament otherwise, and they borrowed ships or changed lists to reflect cards they didn't have, but wanted.

The major difference in the comparison of what the squads cost in X-Wing vs. the cost of a competitive deck in magic is fixed pricing. In magic the better the card gets for compedative play the demand goes up and so does the price. This price could reach unthink levels while X-Wing is based off of MSRP.

I don't think MTG is a good comparison. MTG is a CCG while X-wing is a Table Top miniatures. Comparing it to MTG is more like Apples and Oranges. If this was netrunner then the comparison would be valid. Comparing X-wing to Warhammer or even Warmachines/Hordes would be better which in terms of pricing X-wing has them both beat by a parsec.

Then you need to add 40 dollars for the core set which is necessary to play.

As said in post 12, the core set was not included unless specifically needed. And for this Worlds, each player would receive a damage deck, meaning you could skate by on third party dice and templates.

Then you need to include the price of the third party pieces as well.

Considering that FFG is ONLY giving out the deck at this specific event, the prices listed are in no way indicative of the actual cost to get into the game with these list. It's lazy, and frankly, irresponsible.

There are going to be variance between the estimated prices as some may have bought products at a discount or used 3rd party templates. Now I agree that some lists the OP has calculated technically should have $40 added to it to include a core set which would also narrow the price margin as the cheapest list does not include it yet Paul Heavers most expensive list does include the Force awakens. Also adding the core set cost would move the list from most expensive. If you really want a list pricing that includes 1 core set (if not already) then here you go.

Summary:

1. Champion: $294.50
2. Runner Up: $264.55
3. Top 4: $229.60
4. Top 4: $294.55
5. Top 8: $144.65
6. Top 8: $264.60
7. Top 8: $189.65
8. Top 8: $174.65

So with the Core set correction the Runner up ended up having the highest price list that is assuming you were to purchase it now using FFG's listed price not including shipping and taxes of course. Now there are ways to get these items at discount so of course this is not absolute.

I am certain that this is sarcasm but for those that can't tell the difference see above.

Paul and the top 8's experience and skill = priceless... so I guess 40k pricing is beat on that note.

I'm not complaining about the price on this game, I was just curious ... Cuz, ya know .. Math.

I am on the side that I originally thought the prices would have included one core, unless you flew a squad that had something from both core sets ... Then count both of them

I think the data are interesting, even if they don't necessarily support an argument that X-Wing is pay-to-win. Certainly, a cost is involved, and the more you buy the greater variety and complexity of lists you can build, but it's not like you can spend as much cash as possible and be practically assured victory.

There are going to be variance between the estimated prices as some may have bought products at a discount or used 3rd party templates. Now I agree that some lists the OP has calculated technically should have $40 added to it to include a core set which would also narrow the price margin as the cheapest list does not include it yet Paul Heavers most expensive list does include the Force awakens. Also adding the core set cost would move the list from most expensive. If you really want a list pricing that includes 1 core set (if not already) then here you go.

Summary:

1. Champion: $294.50
2. Runner Up: $304.05
3. Top 4: $229.60
4. Top 4: $294.55
5. Top 8: $144.65
6. Top 8: $264.60
7. Top 8: $189.65
8. Top 8: $214.60

So with the Core set correction the Runner up ended up having the highest price list that is assuming you were to purchase it now using FFG's listed price not including shipping and taxes of course. Now there are ways to get these items at discount so of course this is not absolute.

Yeah, I think that's how it should be done. Add the cost of a Core Set if a Core Set card hasn't been used in the list — it's pretty much a mandatory cost.

Eh, curious on the pricing for Paul Heaver's three Worlds winning squads. If someone remembers the details please do post here

Lets see, baseline 2 B-Wings and two X-Wings, one from the core. Then we add two Lambda Shuttles for the Advanced Sensors, since that was the only source back then, which brings us to your regional equivalent of 1 core, 3 small expansions and 2 big ones.

Fat Han was a bit more expensive, but not actually by that much. he had three Talas naked and Han with VI, EU and the title, which all come from the expansion itself and of course the droid duo from the Tantive. That means 3 small expansions, one big and the Tantive, so do your regional math on that.

This year had 2 Y-Wings, a T-70 with Poe and a Bandit. The Y-Wings both ran TLT and one had the stressbot and title. Poe had ATs, R2-D2 and VI. That equates to 2 core sets, one old and one new, one big expansion, one bigger expansion (Most Wanted), 3 small expansions, 2 big small expansions and the Rebel transport.

In Euro prices, as those are the ones I am familiar with, that means 2013 was 100€, 2014 120€ and 2015 210€, the last price being inflated by just how many pieces had to be bought that were not used. I used online pricing for the most part and some numbers probably aren't accurate. That still doesn't show you how many different squads could be made with that money, too, which is a thing i always miss from these discussions.

Someone posted a pricing calculator a few weeks ago that could answer your question about exactly what to buy to make each list: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/191844-han-shopped-first-squadron-pricing-calculator/

I should point out that the person who started this thread wrote that calculator.

Then you need to add 40 dollars for the core set which is necessary to play.

As said in post 12, the core set was not included unless specifically needed. And for this Worlds, each player would receive a damage deck, meaning you could skate by on third party dice and templates.

Then you need to include the price of the third party pieces as well.

Considering that FFG is ONLY giving out the deck at this specific event, the prices listed are in no way indicative of the actual cost to get into the game with these list. It's lazy, and frankly, irresponsible.

There are going to be variance between the estimated prices as some may have bought products at a discount or used 3rd party templates. Now I agree that some lists the OP has calculated technically should have $40 added to it to include a core set which would also narrow the price margin as the cheapest list does not include it yet Paul Heavers most expensive list does include the Force awakens. Also adding the core set cost would move the list from most expensive. If you really want a list pricing that includes 1 core set (if not already) then here you go.

Summary:

1. Champion: $294.50
2. Runner Up: $304.05
3. Top 4: $229.60
4. Top 4: $294.55
5. Top 8: $144.65
6. Top 8: $264.60
7. Top 8: $189.65
8. Top 8: $214.60

So with the Core set correction the Runner up ended up having the highest price list that is assuming you were to purchase it now using FFG's listed price not including shipping and taxes of course. Now there are ways to get these items at discount so of course this is not absolute.

Paul spent more on his squad than anyone else did.

Clearly, this means that the game is pay-to-win.

Everyone go out and buy stuff!

I am certain that this is sarcasm but for those that can't tell the difference see above.

Paul and Nathan both had Poe and R2D2, so they had to buy both core sets (and they are accounted for in the OP).

...Travis also had R2D2.

I find this post extremely irresponsible.

Then you need to add 40 dollars for the core set which is necessary to play.

As said in post 12, the core set was not included unless specifically needed. And for this Worlds, each player would receive a damage deck, meaning you could skate by on third party dice and templates.

Then you need to include the price of the third party pieces as well.

Considering that FFG is ONLY giving out the deck at this specific event, the prices listed are in no way indicative of the actual cost to get into the game with these list. It's lazy, and frankly, irresponsible.

There are going to be variance between the estimated prices as some may have bought products at a discount or used 3rd party templates. Now I agree that some lists the OP has calculated technically should have $40 added to it to include a core set which would also narrow the price margin as the cheapest list does not include it yet Paul Heavers most expensive list does include the Force awakens. Also adding the core set cost would move the list from most expensive. If you really want a list pricing that includes 1 core set (if not already) then here you go.

Summary:

1. Champion: $294.50
2. Runner Up: $304.05 264.55
3. Top 4: $229.60
4. Top 4: $294.55
5. Top 8: $144.65
6. Top 8: $264.60
7. Top 8: $189.65
8. Top 8: $214.60 174.65

Paul and Nathan both had Poe and R2D2, so they had to buy both core sets (and they are accounted for in the OP).

...Travis also had R2D2.

I find this post extremely irresponsible.

I didn't add a core set to Paul's list because I know that Poe was in the Episode 7 Force awakens. However you did catch the R2-D2 that I missed. Yes that was part of the Classic core set. I adjusted the prices accordingly.

If I wanted to go to worlds it would cost me $1500 just for the flight. Price of the list itself would be less significant especially considering I could just borrow ships/cards I didn't have from friends. Now if I was to make a 40k tournament army that could easily cost me $1500 (miniatures, conversion bits, magnets, paints) possibly even more. Comparing the game to magic seems odd to me card game vs miniatures game? Might as well compare it to PC or console gaming while your at it.

**** decent spread actually. I'm not bothered by it. A bit surprised at how high some of them are maybe but only a bit. Nifty.

**** decent spread actually. I'm not bothered by it. A bit surprised at how high some of them are maybe but only a bit. Nifty.

That happens when you take cards from all over the place. BTL-A4 + R3-A2 is probably one of the most expensive combos in the game where you don't even get the ship you need. Even more so with TLT.

Paul needed both core sets, most wanted, the transport, a Falcon/Firespray and a Starviper, all relatively expensive expansions, only for a single card each!

Don't forget the K-Wing for the TLTs!