lol really?

Guy wins a world championship, gets to design a card for the game and a group of people are already implying he's an arrogant jerk and turning it into Tournament vs Casual players.

Why don't we just enjoy the game for what it is, rather than change it into some abstract bullcrap debate.

OMG PEOPLE! Look congrats to Paul it took skill to do what he did.

But you people need to stop immortalizing him. He is just a man who won a tournament in a game.

Maybe just maybe he will make a card that you can put on a Large ship only that let's you K turn it

...and you don't have to discard it...here's to hoping........

lol really?

Guy wins a world championship, gets to design a card for the game and a group of people are already implying he's an arrogant jerk and turning it into Tournament vs Casual players.

Why don't we just enjoy the game for what it is, rather than change it into some abstract bullcrap debate.

On my phone so I will respond to shirakos post above when I get home...but this post is the most recent of a series that has misread part of my post so i'll clear this up now and respond to the rest later.

I never said that he was an arrogant jerk...I said him making a card of himself could make him APPEAR like an arrogant jerk...perception...is it the case probably not. But the perception could be there by people who don't know him. It would have been nice if people read my post and not between the line for what they think they see. I have always tried to be straightforward and clear w my opinions...especially when I know they are going to be unpopular around here. So please take my words at face value.

You may now all proceed to continue to tell me how wrong I am...and I will get back to you shirako...I believe your post required a response I cannot accurately convey on my phone...a few assumptions about me and my thought process in there...

lol really?

Guy wins a world championship, gets to design a card for the game and a group of people are already implying he's an arrogant jerk and turning it into Tournament vs Casual players.

Why don't we just enjoy the game for what it is, rather than change it into some abstract bullcrap debate.

On my phone so I will respond to shirakos post above when I get home...but this post is the most recent of a series that has misread part of my post so i'll clear this up now and respond to the rest later.

I never said that he was an arrogant jerk...I said him making a card of himself could make him APPEAR like an arrogant jerk...perception...is it the case probably not. But the perception could be there by people who don't know him. It would have been nice if people read my post and not between the line for what they think they see. I have always tried to be straightforward and clear w my opinions...especially when I know they are going to be unpopular around here. So please take my words at face value.

You may now all proceed to continue to tell me how wrong I am...and I will get back to you shirako...I believe your post required a response I cannot accurately convey on my phone...a few assumptions about me and my thought process in there...

I never said you accused him of being an arrogant jerk, I said you implied it.

To twist your own argument, if I say "You post makes you appear an arrogant jerk", that's implying you are an arrogant jerk, I'm just doing it in a way that I can backtrack if I get called on it.

Now, to be fair, context and tone is an important part of communication, so let me illustrate how I read your initial post's tone.

Sure..it sends the message that tourney players are more important and deserve to be the center of the game. This may come as a shock to the boards but the vast majority of those who play xwing don't give two craps about who "the top player" is. This game isn't centered around the tourney scene...something that this boars needs to be constantly reminded of.

No, it doesn't send the message that tourney players are more important, only that a world championship tournament is a very prestigious thing. The statement "sends a message that tourney players are more important" reads as "tourney players think they are more important and will use this to justify that statement". Which is complete crap, and comes across accusatory.

No, most of the board doesn't care who the top player is, that doesn't mean his accomplishments don't deserve to be recognised. "This may come as a shock to the boards but the vast majority of those who play xwing don't give two craps about who "the top player" is." Implies that because most people don't care, no one should care, which is complete crap.

So while maybe unintentional, your post came across as Tourney Players BAD, Casual Players GOOD. And the notion that Tourney and Casual players are somehow different, is bullcrap.

lol really?

Guy wins a world championship, gets to design a card for the game and a group of people are already implying he's an arrogant jerk and turning it into Tournament vs Casual players.

Why don't we just enjoy the game for what it is, rather than change it into some abstract bullcrap debate.

On my phone so I will respond to shirakos post above when I get home...but this post is the most recent of a series that has misread part of my post so i'll clear this up now and respond to the rest later.

I never said that he was an arrogant jerk...I said him making a card of himself could make him APPEAR like an arrogant jerk...perception...is it the case probably not. But the perception could be there by people who don't know him. It would have been nice if people read my post and not between the line for what they think they see. I have always tried to be straightforward and clear w my opinions...especially when I know they are going to be unpopular around here. So please take my words at face value.

You may now all proceed to continue to tell me how wrong I am...and I will get back to you shirako...I believe your post required a response I cannot accurately convey on my phone...a few assumptions about me and my thought process in there...

I never said you accused him of being an arrogant jerk, I said you implied it.

To twist your own argument, if I say "You post makes you appear an arrogant jerk", that's implying you are an arrogant jerk, I'm just doing it in a way that I can backtrack if I get called on it.

Now, to be fair, context and tone is an important part of communication, so let me illustrate how I read your initial post's tone.

Sure..it sends the message that tourney players are more important and deserve to be the center of the game. This may come as a shock to the boards but the vast majority of those who play xwing don't give two craps about who "the top player" is. This game isn't centered around the tourney scene...something that this boars needs to be constantly reminded of.

No, it doesn't send the message that tourney players are more important, only that a world championship tournament is a very prestigious thing. The statement "sends a message that tourney players are more important" reads as "tourney players think they are more important and will use this to justify that statement". Which is complete crap, and comes across accusatory.

No, most of the board doesn't care who the top player is, that doesn't mean his accomplishments don't deserve to be recognised. "This may come as a shock to the boards but the vast majority of those who play xwing don't give two craps about who "the top player" is." Implies that because most people don't care, no one should care, which is complete crap.

So while maybe unintentional, your post came across as Tourney Players BAD, Casual Players GOOD. And the notion that Tourney and Casual players are somehow different, is bullcrap.

Well Hoolee crap...that burned.

Well spoken...didnt realize so many inferences could be made from what I had posted...and you are correct they were not my intention. I do my best to be as plain and clear as possible but it doesnt always work out. And in my defense I didnt put APPEARS into my post as a way to backtrack...I never had any intention to backtrack nor do I feel I did. I meant it in a literal sense...it really would make him seem that way weather he really was or not. My personal opinion of him personally is neutral...I have never met the guy nor would I go out of my way to meet him. But I can see how you might have incorrectly deduced that was what I meant. But please know this about me if I think someone is a jerk or being arrogant...Ill come out and say it...straight to them...I am not going to tiptoe around it and give myself an escape route. Ask anyone who has argued with me before...and there are plenty of people I have argued with before. I do disagree on your statement regarding tourney and casual players but Ill get to that later.

So mea culpa...seeing it from your persepective I can see how I might have come off as that way...so apologies.

Let me be as clear as possible:

I would not want to see a card with his name on it. As someone said before there are still EU characters to go through. There are also upcoming characters they can go through and I don't want to see any player no matter how good they are in the game, especially before ALL of these characters were brought in. I would rather see prequel ships before I saw something like this happen. The fact that he gets to contribute by making a card is novel as I said...and should be enough honestly.

Its not very often someone is able to get me to take a step back with a single post and so well explain how my statements might be taken in a way I didnt anticipate or intend. So thanks...you have made me see my post in a new light. And I apologize for being an arse.

And to Shiriko. Ill temper my response better understanding how you must have seen my post...I assume you saw it in a similar light to Rividius here.

No...tourney players are not superior to causals, they may be better skilled but the are not superior, and the thought that anyone could think they could be bothers me. No one has said a casual will stomp an tourney player in a pick up game...but that doesnt make the tourney player somehow superior to the casual, he is simply more skilled...his sportsmanship could suck, he could only know how to fly a few key ships...he could have all the same BS complexes so many of us casuals have and just be really good at what he does.

I have always seen the 2 groups as equal...but I have never gotten the sense that casuals and tourney players are viewed as equals here. I remember last year when people were floating around the idea of a new damage deck and saying "make a tournament players pack" or "put it in a tourney kit...casuals dont need it." I have seen a great many statements by alot of people that have put this impression on me. And on the surface your comment wouldn't help. But like I said...I can see how my tone brought it on. And for that I am sorry.

We all spend money and time on this game...the most important metrics to its health. And the casuals spend alot more of both as a whole simply through numbers. We are just as important...but that gets forgotten alot here...or at least it seems to. But maybe Im just having a hard on for the semantics...i think the definition of superior you and I meant may not have matched.

Your second point...I explained above. Good to know he probably wont go that route. I hope he doesn't.

Your third point...I guess the way I ended my post set me up for the assumption you made here. I can see how you made it...but know that that is not how I feel. My issue has never been with people coming here for help or you guys giving to them. I have no doubt you guys know the "meta" better than me and can squeeze every point out of a list you can...and thats fine if you want to play that way, but alot of us dont play that way. I have no problems with you helping out those who do want to play that way. I tend to stay out of most of those arguments...the only ones I really chime on are the "fix" arguments I feel strongly about...which have been dwindling in number. And I certainly dont see myself as some kind of amatuer game designer. This issue shouldnt have come up and you have my apologies for making you think I was saying anything of this sort.

DarthEnderX you are probably right...but it would bug the hell out of me...even if that isnt worth much to everyone else.

So again everyone sorry for coming off as a pompous ******. I know I can come off that way sometimes...but like the rest of you I care about this game and want it to stay as Star Warsy as possible. I try to hold myself on this forum as I do in real life...and that includes admitting mistakes...so I am sorry. Continue with the conversation knowing and fully understanding opinion I so ineloquently made.

EDIT: Added the entire response. I wanted to make sure I was right under the post that floored me. Again Revidius thanks for putting me in my place.

Just making the card "Heaver" would be cool, like it was a call-sign. Be a nice but subtle nod.

Let's make him the Xwing fix.

R4-PH

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If your maneuver template overlaps an obstacle, gain 1 attack dice

I would love to see a Paul Heaver pilot card. He is a great player and a great contributor to the xwing community. I would much prefer it over "red novice". I have found the past two days of xwing more exciting than watching my favorite football team. And much of that is due to the possibility of a threepeat. And the other players that we know of from other tournaments and podcasts. All I want to do now is play xwing and I am definitely going to try to play in my first tournament come store championship season

It wouldn't bother me if he got his own pilot card. If you win worlds you get to design a card for the game is there really anything stopping him from designing a pilot? though I think so far their all been upgrade cards so far.

I think like nicknames you shouldn't be allowed to design your own pilot card yourself but others should do it for you. Least that way it wont seem vain.

Sure..it sends the message that tourney players are more important and deserve to be the center of the game. This may come as a shock to the boards but the vast majority of those who play xwing don't give two craps about who "the top player" is.

And they won't. Because players like that have no idea who the top player is in the first place. And when a card shows up with the name of some guy they never heard of, they aren't going to know that it's a tournament player in the first place, so they won't that they should be mad at all.

lol really?

Guy wins a world championship, gets to design a card for the game and a group of people are already implying he's an arrogant jerk and turning it into Tournament vs Casual players.

Why don't we just enjoy the game for what it is, rather than change it into some abstract bullcrap debate.

Naw bro. Nobody is saying that he's arrogant, or even that it would be arrogant. It was implied that it MIGHT be viewed as arrogant by SOME if it happened that way.

We do enjoy the game for what it is. I feel like you are trying to make a mountain out of nothing.

lol really?

Guy wins a world championship, gets to design a card for the game and a group of people are already implying he's an arrogant jerk and turning it into Tournament vs Casual players.

Why don't we just enjoy the game for what it is, rather than change it into some abstract bullcrap debate.

Naw bro. Nobody is saying that he's arrogant, or even that it would be arrogant. It was implied that it MIGHT be viewed as arrogant by SOME if it happened that way.

We do enjoy the game for what it is. I feel like you are trying to make a mountain out of nothing.

Thanks Crabby. You saw it for what it was. But in the end I kinda deserved the response I got...

Yea, there's names on cards from NPCs of Star Wars Galaxies, who cares if a tournament player gets a card?
In L5R the tournament winner shapes the story of the whole game, that's big. A 3 time winner of the biggest tournament of this game can get a card and it wuld mean nothing to anyone who doesn't know or care who he is. It'll be just as impactful as "Graz the Hunter" or "Blue Ace"

Can we get at least a reason the dude doesn't get to design a pilot card? He's proven himself the very best at X-wing for nearly half a decade.

Sure..it sends the message that tourney players are more important and deserve to be the center of the game. This may come as a shock to the boards but the vast majority of those who play xwing don't give two craps about who "the top player" is. This game isn't centered around the tourney scene...something that this boars needs to be constantly reminded of. He already gets a trophy and the ability to design a card (which is something novel i'll give FFG that.) It would make him appear like an arrogant ****** (especially if he got to.create himself) and send the message that he is somehow more important than any other player who plays this game and that those who play in tournies are superior to those who don't. Just cause he is good doesn't give him the right to just insert himself into the game we all play.

This is a game about fantasy in a galaxy far far away...paul heaver (peace and blessings be upon him) exists hrr on a planet very close by. I don't need him in my games...he can stick to the tourney tables where he belongs...he shouldn't be immortalized and diefied in game. No player should be.

A move like this would really turn me off...and alot of others I would wager if they found out. You tourney people really really need to get over yourselves.

A few things jump out at me from your post:

1. Actually tournament players are superior to those who don't play in tournaments because we play at the highest level and with the best people possible, you simply cannot argue that a few friends playing on a coffee table on a Sunday afternoon are closet X-Wing geniuses that would stomp anyone that has every played competitively, and should help design the game instead.

Played x-wing in several states since wave one. I'm hyper competitive, and I disagree mostly with this.

FLGS game nights that attract Sunday night coffee table players to this game is the foundation. Not the tourny players. FLGS attract the players, train em and give venues for the torneys.

Never discount those you haven't faced.

There's no problem with Paul Heaver desiging a pilot or crewmember and having the card feature his likeness.

To the people in the know it's an extra easter egg, to the others it is just a regular card, if you ensure the name doesn't spring out as something real.

MTG has a bunch of cards designed by players, some of them featuring their likeness, such as Shadowmage Infiltrator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCI_(Wizards_of_the_Coast)#Invitational

So again everyone sorry for coming off as a pompous ******. I know I can come off that way sometimes...but like the rest of you I care about this game and want it to stay as Star Warsy as possible. I try to hold myself on this forum as I do in real life...and that includes admitting mistakes...so I am sorry. Continue with the conversation knowing and fully understanding opinion I so ineloquently made.

He already is

I fully support this motion. tbh I'd have it as a rule for any of their games - win 3 championships in Worlds and you get to be a character in whatever it is you won in.

I think it's got to combine the tokens of Soontir with the mobility of Echo. With NO STRESS as after being triple world champ can't really stress over X-Wing anymore.

Got to be Rebel as well.

Heaver Squadron Ace:

Z-95 Pilot Skill 9

When you overlap an enemy ship, you may remove a shield from that ship. If you do, recover one shield.

To be honest I think he needs to design a card that we can use *against* him

A few things jump out at me from your post:

1. Actually tournament players are superior to those who don't play in tournaments because we play at the highest level and with the best people possible, you simply cannot argue that a few friends playing on a coffee table on a Sunday afternoon are closet X-Wing geniuses that would stomp anyone that has every played competitively, and should help design the game instead.

- To add to the above point, tournaments offer controlled environments with builds and upgrades are exploited as much as possible to gain every inch, this is how game designers can get feedback about what really are the strongest pilots/upgrades in the game and not just what a few casual players think is broken because "last Sunday it murderized everything".

Woah, that's not cool whatever your stance on this argument. Are tournament players more likely to earn victory in 100v100 deathmatch? Yeah, probably, but to say they are superior isn't really fair.

For me, when I get to play X-Wing which isn't very often, it's a narrative game. It's about playing as Luke and Wedge and fighting against Vader. Or making a narrative scenario where an imperial admiral travelling on that Lambda has to get to that asteroid before he is kidnapped by Kath Scarlet and her pirates. It's about thinking how that Y-Wing pilot acts when he gets a blinded pilot critical; the pilot has gone blind man! That's horrendous. Make up a story. Fun. You know?

I would suspect that the vast amount of people who play (or at least have bought) X-Wing play it because they want to be in charge of Red Squadron and see what happens. My friends really don't care how points-efficient it is to slap R2 on Luke; they do it because that's where R2 should be. This 'casual' attitude doesn't mean they are 'inferior' at the game. They just have no interest in playing it like that.

And, casual as I am, I must have ploughed over £1000 into this game because collecting is also a big part of my enjoyment. In fact, I would hesitate to say that the money spent, storage space taken, and hobby time spent qualifies as 'casual' in any way.

He should get the same treatment other "character" pilots have. Pilot skill 7. EPT, strong ability.

Sound like he belongs in a y-wing, or an X-wing.

it is Tycho Celchu

But yes it could be his twin :-)

He already is