And yet, Storm troopers are listed with a Will of 3? even the minions Stormies?

Will of 3 is only a discipline of 3 green dice (3 purple on opposed checks). That seems fair to me, especially since they are disciplined front line troops. If a character wants to use influence as a primary means of subterfuge I imagine he would start with 2 yellow 2 green anyways. So 2 yellow 2 green vs. 3 purple are not bad odds, more than 50/50.

I would assume that most average people would't have any skill in discipline necessarily.

And trained/disciplined troops doesn't necessarily equate to Strong willed. In fact, most dictatorial governments do not want strong willed troops. They want troops that follow orders. Not the same thing.

Just a 3 ability in will (3 being above average when you consider that is the level most PCs go with, 2 being your average individual in most stats) you would think Weak minded would mean something lower than 3.

They're weak minded compared to Obi-Wan Kenobi...

They're weak minded compared to Obi-Wan Kenobi...

Right, and the word is 'can', not 'will', or 'guaranteed'.....

I would assume that most average people would't have any skill in discipline necessarily.

And trained/disciplined troops doesn't necessarily equate to Strong willed. In fact, most dictatorial governments do not want strong willed troops. They want troops that follow orders. Not the same thing.

Just a 3 ability in will (3 being above average when you consider that is the level most PCs go with, 2 being your average individual in most stats) you would think Weak minded would mean something lower than 3.

The average person isn't a Jedi doing a mind trick.

And I completely disagree with your assessment of how will is applied. Trained and disciplined troops who follow orders have tremendous willpower. Otherwise they would turn tail and run at the first sight of combat, which Stormtroopers don't do. They may suck at target practice, but they fight to the death. Will is not standing up for what's right, will is seeing something through even if it costs you your life.

Will Is, to me, Strength of character. This isn't a Right or Wrong thing, it is a matter of knowing ones self and deciding ones own mind. Yes it can be standing your ground in the face of Fire, though for troops that has more to do with training than actually having a strong will. Sometimes having a strong will is knowing when one should retreat, despite Orders. Having the strength of Will to defy Illegal orders despite the Consequences.

Troops are Disciplined/Trained to Follow orders and stand and Fight when ordered to, rush the Line when ordered to. That is not the same thing as being strong Willed. Disciplined (as per the skill) sure but not strong willed.

We may disagree on that, but it is how i see it.

Despite how we define it and what Storm Troopers should have, Obi Wan's quote was saying "The weak minded", Not the Undisciplined. There is not suggestion of training in his statement. He was speaking of the individual mind, not the training they have. Consider, Why didn't he just "convince" Han to take them, instead of bargaining with him. He seemed to do it easily enough to the Stormies, and after all, He is a 'Jedi', Therefore by that argument, Han should have been just as easy a mark.

We can Argue Narrative and Mcguffin all we like, Truth is, Han was Stronger Willed. He had his convictions he wasn't just going to be easily swayed to another line of thinking, than the money he needed, by the wave of the force.

Jabba also wasn't a disciplined being, he was a Slave to his desires and pleasures, but he was strong Willed. Luke tried to influence him, but couldn't.

Being strong willed is more than Just being willing to swallow your fear and charge the line. It is about keeping your focus, keeping yourself from being swayed from your path.

Obi Wan didn't just 'Scare' them from investigating the droids, He altered the mans perception of the situation, Convinced him in his mind that reality was not what was before him, and convinced him not to do his Diligent duty in investigating the droids.

This had nothing to do with front line Discipline

It actually does have to do with discipline. Refer back to my first post, I'm talking mechanics not philosophy. To do a Jedi mind trick you do an opposed discipline check, which is based on your characters will score. So, again, as far as the game mechanics go it makes sense. Not every novice should be able to trick every Stormtrooper, it should be a hard thing to do (I.e. 3 purple dice). After all the only successful mind tricks we saw in the movies were done by Jedi masters. In this game you would have to assume Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are in the 3 yellow dice category, with some green dice on the side.

flightmaster101's got a far better handle on what Willpower is in this game.

Compared to the average person (2's in all Characteristics), a stormtrooper is quite hard to dissuade and able to remain calm and focused in most live combat operations, something the average civilian can't do.

Now your average starting Force user is also going to have Willpower 3, and at least a rank in Discipline. So to pull off a mind trick on a stormtrooper, it'd YGG vs. PPP, with the odds of success favoring the PC, though they might have some Threat to deal with.

Plus, as noted Kenobi said "can" in terms of the Force affecting the weak-minded. Of course, what counts as weak-minded depends on the Jedi. To Yoda, pretty much anyone that's not a Jedi Master or Sith Lord probably counts as weak-minded. Then you've got Ezra where even a Lothal stormtrooper (certainly not the cream of the crop) can shake of his attempts at a mind trick, but Kanan has no such difficulty.

flightmaster101's got a far better handle on what Willpower is in this game.

Compared to the average person (2's in all Characteristics), a stormtrooper is quite hard to dissuade and able to remain calm and focused in most live combat operations, something the average civilian can't do.

Now your average starting Force user is also going to have Willpower 3, and at least a rank in Discipline. So to pull off a mind trick on a stormtrooper, it'd YGG vs. PPP, with the odds of success favoring the PC, though they might have some Threat to deal with.

Plus, as noted Kenobi said "can" in terms of the Force affecting the weak-minded. Of course, what counts as weak-minded depends on the Jedi. To Yoda, pretty much anyone that's not a Jedi Master or Sith Lord probably counts as weak-minded. Then you've got Ezra where even a Lothal stormtrooper (certainly not the cream of the crop) can shake of his attempts at a mind trick, but Kanan has no such difficulty.

That Ezra example is a good one. I also remember Asoka failing a couple of times int he clone wars cartoon, and doesn't Anakin fail in Ep 2?