Hey everyone!

Whether I invented it or not, I brought publicity to the infamous GenCon Special...

(personal reasons prevented me from going to Worlds)

I managed to get to play in two Sullust events.

In the 1st one, I brought the GenCon Special...

Game 1 - I went up against a 2-Neb, Guppy + 2X/2Y/2A list. (5-5; Win)

Since I had only 4 ships to deploy and he had 3 ships + 3 pairs of squadrons... we effectively played ring around the rosy with his squadrons in the center. I was up till the later rounds but I was trying to get more MOV so I lost another Gladiator.

Game 2 - I went up against a Double Guppy list. (8-2; Win)

I deployed in the corner and he deployed in the opposite. I managed to block with my Gladiators but it still took us 3 rounds to engage limiting my damage potential.

Game 3 - I went up against a 10 Rhymer Ball. (0-10; Loss)

He had Contested Outpost so I couldn't sit back. I just went "all in" and was about 2 hull away from boxing his carriers but I got tabled.

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My conclusions:

I forgot who said this but...

10 RhymerBall beats All-Ship beats Some Squadron beats 10 RhymerBall

All-Ship = usually Empire... in your face build)

Some Squadron = (usually 2 Guppy + Yavaris + Some Squadron)

With Flight Controllers, Tie Bombers have a 38% of doing two damage to other squadrons. So I started thinking about building a 10 RhymerBall to beat All-Ship builds and kill about 4 Rebel Squadrons from the "Some Squadron" build. In my 2nd Sullust event (shout out to WWPDSteven and his crew), I tried an Empire Carrier build and got crushed... (2-8 L, 5-5 L, 8-2 bye).

All-Ship has no chance vs 10 RhymerBall

All-Ship vs All-Ship will be bloody

All-Ship vs 2 Guppy (it depends but the Rebel player can play keep away... box a Gladiator and then eek out a win)

If the above is true... I surmise...

60% Double Guppy Builds

30% All-Ship Empire Builds

10% Meta Builds (Bombers, Corvette Swarm, etc)

With this make-up...

I think Rebels will win Worlds. With their longer range, Rebels can hit and run or play keep away. Empire builds have to play "all in."

I think a Triple Guppy Build will win it all.

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What do you guys think?

When 400 hits, everyone will have some squadrons and the Ackbar Slash will be the list to beat.

This speculation is for funsies since there wasnt much in the way of 'rising through the ranks'. Most of our communities knowledge is based on shared local tourney reports. That being said, lets get to it!!!

Rebels win. Cheaper ships means better activation economy.

Rhymer is such a nobrainer inclusion to squadron builds that most players have had plenty of practice with/against it...meaning they will be prepared to mitigate it.

Rebels have the right ships for the job right now through agility and cost. IF a rebel list wins, it won't have a Nebulon B.

Wow, this is great to hear from your perspective. I agree with the triple Wahle build probably being dominant for Worlds. For wave 2, though I think it's wide open. Ackbar will make all ship Imperial builds cry, but a squadron list using Boosted Comms looks like it could be a hard counter. There will be a lot more in between as well thanks to the rogues. They will be so much more forgiving for the user and dangerous enough that your opponent can't ignore them.

I agree that the tri-whale will win it all, for this reason:

Those red dice are cruel mistresses. When they swing cold, they can very easily lose you the game. But when they swing hot, they can make short work of most anything. In any given game it's not likely to happen, but the tri-whale has enough steam (thanks in large part to a certain inebriated Imperial political figure) that you're going to see a lot of them. And with such a large sample size, there's a reasonable chance one of that sample is gonna get a streak hot enough to blaze them a trail to the top table (poetry, *******!).

As long as the guy who is blessed with those rolls is good enough to take advantage of them, of course. Good rolls mean beans if you can't drive your boat.

I am in love with this thread!

Squadrons have a strong growth potential.

I think Guppies will be in the top again.

XI7's will make a huge splash but I am not sure how they will do in the next major tournament.

I predict

Round 1,

dice will be thrown

someone will win

Someone will lose

Ships will be pushed around on the table

Round 2

dice will be thrown

someone will win

Someone will lose

Ships will be pushed around on the table

Lunch will be eaten

Round 3

dice will be thrown

someone will win

Someone will lose

Ships will be pushed around on the table

Dinner will be eaten

Round 4 and final rounds

dice will be thrown

someone will win

Someone will lose

Ships will be pushed around on the table

Someone will show up with ships they painted. That person will lose Because no good painted ships will end up winning worlds.

Good feeling someone will forget their list, dice, stand and be forced to buy extra stuff.

Going to have to go with the Assault Frigates being favourites here. Either 2AF+support, or 3AF (quite possibly all ship).

So bummed that it's wave 1 only, though it really has to be.

Oh, the 3rd Guppy is the tech to beat the 2x Guppy builds.

In my own experiences, the GenCon Special can block 2x Guppy but that 3rd Guppy is a difference maker. You just don't have enough ships!

I predict many triple guppy builds will lose, primarily because they've been playing with Akbar and won't remember what to do without him.

My money is not on trip gups but a dual gup list toting Mon Ma and a couple CR90/Token A-Wangs force. Still in the same realm as trip gups but with a couple more tools for flexibility and MM for mitigation (rather than Garm).

rhymer ball so we can continue the weekly tradition of Rhymer is OP threads.

As for wave 2 dojo..... I'm all over the place. I am gonna skip the flu shot this year and hope that once i get the flu, the fever dreams take over and my 400pt list is revealed to me. I debated starting a thread for all the rabbit holes im chasing right now for imperials in 400pts.

I predict:

I'm not going, so that means some other fellow has a fighting chance!

If I was attending... yeah, whatever I brought would be the winning list.

True story.

I predict:

I'm not going, so that means some other fellow has a fighting chance!

If I was attending... yeah, whatever I brought would be the winning list.

True story.

Any chance someone will be able to give updates on lists, results here? Like they do over on the X-wing Forums?

Will try to watch today, but late night here I think. Really looking forward to watch some high level games, hope it gives me some ideas on the local level.

As for predicting, 2 AFs, one CC, a couple fighters, mostly A-wings.

gl to all competitors, wish I could be there.

Hopefully I can watch some of it. . . I work till 1530pst

I too am hoping to watch it when i get home, should plugged in my ipad to charge it before work....nuts

It's still early, but I walked around and the people just starting to set up mostly looked like Rhymer lists.

2 hrs to game time.

thx Dab!

440pm cst means they start at 240pm for me. . . I don't get off work till 330pm.. . Hmmmm, it will go till a bit after 4pm my time. . . Hmmmm

It's still early, but I walked around and the people just starting to set up mostly looked like Rhymer lists.

2 hrs to game time.

I hope someone brought a Vader, Fel, Mithel, and Rhymer List. . . Would make my day!

It's still early, but I walked around and the people just starting to set up mostly looked like Rhymer lists.

2 hrs to game time.

I hope someone brought a Vader, Fel, Mithel, and Rhymer List. . . Would make my day!

So, does that mean this tournament will be dominated by RhymerBalls vs. Double Gups w/ A-wings?

It's still early, but I walked around and the people just starting to set up mostly looked like Rhymer lists.

2 hrs to game time.

I hope someone brought a Vader, Fel, Mithel, and Rhymer List. . . Would make my day!

So, does that mean this tournament will be dominated by RhymerBalls vs. Double Gups w/ A-wings?

I think X-Wings would be good in this setting

So games have been going on for the last two hours according to the schedule. Any updates?

So games have been going on for the last two hours according to the schedule. Any updates?