I need a series that revolves around the 20 odd years Roman was hanging out waiting for Old Spock to show up. I'm sure Eric Bana is available.

Diaries of an Angry Romulan.

Day 467: still waiting instead of taking my ship to the empire to boost their tech level and allow them to conquer galaxy.

Considered sending warning about impending doom but decided to wash my underpants instead.

So bored...

This is why I don't understand the people that liked Abrams Trek 1, but not 2. The Eric Bana character was so colossally stupid. He was the worst Trek movie villain in a franchise with a lot of weak movie villains.

I'm just happy to see new Trek on TV instead of as movies. It's so much better as a TV show.

I didn't like the new Treks because of the villains, I liked them because they found a bunch of actors that worked well together, that took a group of beloved characters and approached them without becoming parodies. There's a chemistry between them that was also in the original Star Trek. I think Chris Pine is a good Kirk without trying to Shatner it up.

If they can afford it, I'd love to see the main trio starring in a series. I could do without Scotty's poor excuse of a Jawa.

took a group of beloved characters and approached them without becoming parodies.

Really?!? I think one of the worst things about the JJ trek films is that they didn't make real characters but rather just played them as caricatures of the original characters. They all seem more like Saturday Night Live versions than real characters.

took a group of beloved characters and approached them without becoming parodies.

Really?!? I think one of the worst things about the JJ trek films is that they didn't make real characters but rather just played them as caricatures of the original characters. They all seem more like Saturday Night Live versions than real characters.

My main beef with Into Darkness was that I was rooting for Kahn. He was absolutely in the right based on how he was getting screwed by the Federation.

Well, that and the "super blood". What a poor plot device.

took a group of beloved characters and approached them without becoming parodies.

Really?!? I think one of the worst things about the JJ trek films is that they didn't make real characters but rather just played them as caricatures of the original characters. They all seem more like Saturday Night Live versions than real characters.

My main beef with Into Darkness was that I was rooting for Kahn. He was absolutely in the right based on how he was getting screwed by the Federation.

Well, that and the "super blood". What a poor plot device.

Well they needed a mcguffin to bring back kirk.

What bugged me most was him hiding his crew in those torpedoes. Also durin the standoff Spock gave in to soon. If it was I'd have threatend to ram the Enterprise into the other ship. Hey if you are gonna kill us anyway I'm gonna take you and your "family" down with me.

Jj trek shares the names but not the characters.

Kirk sleeping with aliens is a meme so he does that, but there's nothing else of kirks character in that version.

Same with Scotty he drinks and is good with machines, sulu drives the ship and fences, they picked two traits per character and called it a day.

It's a stupid movie made for Michael bay fans.

took a group of beloved characters and approached them without becoming parodies.

Really?!? I think one of the worst things about the JJ trek films is that they didn't make real characters but rather just played them as caricatures of the original characters. They all seem more like Saturday Night Live versions than real characters.

True. That and the on screen space battles were the worst in Trek movie history IMO. The writers were far too in love with the idea of crippling the hero ships in seconds and the heroes having to resort to kamikaze attacks or infantry actions. The one exception was the time they sent the boarding party in at the start of the engagement and even that battle involved a hero launching a ramming attack with a ship.

took a group of beloved characters and approached them without becoming parodies.

Really?!? I think one of the worst things about the JJ trek films is that they didn't make real characters but rather just played them as caricatures of the original characters. They all seem more like Saturday Night Live versions than real characters.

True. That and the on screen space battles were the worst in Trek movie history IMO. The writers were far too in love with the idea of crippling the hero ships in seconds and the heroes having to resort to kamikaze attacks or infantry actions. The one exception was the time they sent the boarding party in at the start of the engagement and even that battle involved a hero launching a ramming attack with a ship.

Outside of First Contact's first battle, I think every single Next Generation movie had worse space battles than anything in the Abrams movies. Generations even used stock footage.

The space battle in Nemesis and the Captain's log before it were pretty much the only things about the movie I like, and the only reasons I hate Into Darkness more then Nemesis.

If the Abrams space battles hadn't kept going back to the hero ship gets crippled in a couple of shots well, and the boarding party, kamikaze run, or both well pretty every single time they would have been good. As it stands its like the writers or director either had no idea how to handle a ship to ship battle or just didn't care enough to try.

St 2009

Space Battle 1: Kelvin gets disabled in a copule of shots and makes a suicide run.

Space Battle 2: Simulated Klingons hang in space and fire a copule of shots then get one shot killed

Space Battle 3: Enterprise get disabled in one salvo and deploys a space paratrooper team to part of the enemy ship.

Space Battle 4 Enterprise deploys boarding party which captures a small craft and sends it on a ramming run before Enterprise rejoins the battle.

Into Darkness

Enterpise gets disabled so fast they don't even get a shot off and deploys a boarding party.

See a pastern? There hasn't been a single on screen un-simulated space battle in the Abrams movies with the ships involved using their on board weapons with no ramming or boarding parties involved

The space battle in Nemesis and the Captain's log before it were pretty much the only things about the movie I like, and the only reasons I hate Into Darkness more then Nemesis.

If the Abrams space battles hadn't kept going back to the hero ship gets crippled in a couple of shots well, and the boarding party, kamikaze run, or both well pretty every single time they would have been good. As it stands its like the writers or director either had no idea how to handle a ship to ship battle or just didn't care enough to try.

St 2009

Space Battle 1: Kelvin gets disabled in a copule of shots and makes a suicide run.

Space Battle 2: Simulated Klingons hang in space and fire a copule of shots then get one shot killed

Space Battle 3: Enterprise get disabled in one salvo and deploys a space paratrooper team to part of the enemy ship.

Space Battle 4 Enterprise deploys boarding party which captures a small craft and sends it on a ramming run before Enterprise rejoins the battle.

Into Darkness

Enterpise gets disabled so fast they don't even get a shot off and deploys a boarding party.

See a pastern? There hasn't been a single on screen un-simulated space battle in the Abrams movies with the ships involved using their on board weapons with no ramming or boarding parties involved

All that just proves that the Wrath of Kahn was the best Trek movie. Kahn had to use a surprise attack to cripple the ship quickly and then Kirk had to use shenanigans to even the field and limp away. They never used the same tactic twice because both Kahn and Kirk never assumed the other was a moron. You have to respect your enemy.

There were no boarding parties or other nonsense like that. Nobody brought a knife to a gun fight.

You'd think they'd use teleporters for boarding actions a lot more.

You'd think they'd use teleporters for boarding actions a lot more.

Transporters can't go through shields (except for when the plot makes an excuse). It's so the ships actually fire at each other instead of just beaming torpedoes to each others' bridges.

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see a non-human crew (with a few humans thrown in). Maybe Vulcan, Romulan, or even Klingon. I think it would be pretty cool perspective.

You'd think they'd use teleporters for boarding actions a lot more.

Transporters can't go through shields (except for when the plot makes an excuse). It's so the ships actually fire at each other instead of just beaming torpedoes to each others' bridges.

I knew someone would say that. But once the shields are down that should be followed by boarding party (or proton torpedo) beamed on the bridge.

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see a non-human crew (with a few humans thrown in). Maybe Vulcan, Romulan, or even Klingon. I think it would be pretty cool perspective.

A bunch of humans on a Vulcan vessel. Maybe during the early days of starfleet, and learn how the Vulcans experienced first contact.

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see a non-human crew (with a few humans thrown in). Maybe Vulcan, Romulan, or even Klingon. I think it would be pretty cool perspective.

A bunch of humans on a Vulcan vessel. Maybe during the early days of starfleet, and learn how the Vulcans experienced first contact.

I've fallen asleep already, one of enterprises big issues was how Vulcan centric the first two seasons were.

Spock and his dad are cool the rest are dull purposefully so.

one of enterprises big issues was how Vulcan centric the first two seasons were.

Spock and his dad are cool the rest are dull purposefully so.

Fourth season of Enterprise (the only one that could be called good) had a very good 3-parter that focused heavily on Vulcans.

The species doesn't have to be dull, it is just that the creative directors of Star Trek have consistently mismanaged them (along with almost everything else, Star Trek is one of this things that is popular in spite of its primary source material).

one of enterprises big issues was how Vulcan centric the first two seasons were.

Spock and his dad are cool the rest are dull purposefully so.

Fourth season of Enterprise (the only one that could be called good) had a very good 3-parter that focused heavily on Vulcans.

The species doesn't have to be dull, it is just that the creative directors of Star Trek have consistently mismanaged them (along with almost everything else, Star Trek is one of this things that is popular in spite of its primary source material).

I liked when the Enterprise crew found out that Vulcans were totally hiding spy gear in a monastery on a planet near Andoran space. It gave a little more depth to Vulcans.

I liked when the Enterprise crew found out that Vulcans were totally hiding spy gear in a monastery on a planet near Andoran space. It gave a little more depth to Vulcans.

Yeah. Truth is, Enterprise did a lot of really interesting things with Vulcans. It was whenever they focused on their Vulcan main character, T'Pol, that they screwed up.

I liked when the Enterprise crew found out that Vulcans were totally hiding spy gear in a monastery on a planet near Andoran space. It gave a little more depth to Vulcans.

Yeah. Truth is, Enterprise did a lot of really interesting things with Vulcans. It was whenever they focused on their Vulcan main character, T'Pol, that they screwed up.

Unless she was taking a "decontamination shower" or something like that.

Honestly, I never really watched the show unless it just happened to be on.

Honestly, I never really watched the show unless it just happened to be on.

They brought on a new writer for 4th season and (once he dealt with the fecal matter that was the previous seasons cliffhanger) the show actually got pretty good. He started doing stuff that the show should have done from the beginning, showing the origins of the federation, elaborating on early conflicts with the Klingons and Romulus, showing this young, upstart human race stepping out into the unknown and actually finding they have something to contribute. There are only 1-2 episodes in each of the first 3 seasons that are worth a ****, but the last season has something like 16 that I rewatch regularly.

Yeah season four just came too late everyone had given up by then, DS9 was a slow start but they figured it out faster and only season one is iffy.

Then there's voyager which was just all over the place thanks to the writers.

Yeah season four just came too late everyone had given up by then, DS9 was a slow start but they figured it out faster and only season one is iffy.

Exactly.

I really enjoyed Trek when they started stringing stories over several episodes. When they left you wondering what next week's episode would bring, I think they were on the right track then. That's probably why Voyager never really did it for me. Too many disjointed stories with no connection.

I loved DS9 during the Dominion War period. Especially the episode where Worf killed Weyoun because he was annoying him.

I loved DS9 during the Dominion War period.

The final seasons of DS9 may be the best Sci-Fi that has ever aired on television. (Because Firefly was cancelled before it could claim the title)

Especially the episode where Worf killed Weyoun because he was annoying him.

Boy, would someone who was not familiar with DS9 get the wrong impression from that entirely accurate statement.