So tomorrow I'm playing a tournament where turrets aren't allowed. that means no dash or falcon but more importantly it means no tlt and that opens up a lot of options. Plz help me chose what to play.

I'm considering:

xizor swarm as ps 1 on the 5 pirates isn't so bad when theres no y spam around. Its nearly unplayable with tlt that negates xisors ability so this could be a rare chance to field the list.

brobots with mangler, stim, adv s, ptl, at. just so strong all round.

ig b with adv s, ptl, at and boba, rec spec, ptl, EU, stim. bobas a beast but i can't decide if this is better than twin ig.

poe with vi and r5p6 (shield regen) and 5 talas. love this list. built it to crush tlt spam, but I'm not sure how it holds up vs the field.

comments?

other ideas are welcome too.

thansk in advance.

btw: i expect hi ps arc dodgers to be prevalent. palpmobiles, squints, corran and stuff.

why aren't they allowed?

it's Wave 7! we have thrusters and even turrets (with an honest to god minimum range) that can kill turrets! Go back out there and get your well deserved revenge!

also, Xizor with 1 spam isn't bad at all, just replace one of the 1s with a 5 (blacksun ace + crackshot). Plus, negating Xizor's ability doesn't magically make thrusters, or all the angry body guards, disappear. Honestly, the impact TLTs have on the given meta is hilariously overstated (but, given this is an internet forum, not the least bit unexpected)

the only real things that open up are Warden Squadron pilot K-wings (so much fun, but so impractical versus tlts; absolutely murderous against aces by using I.A and conners) and panic attack (dat 1 agility)

i agree. i don't find the tlts as bad as i used to. and i admit i was too quick on my initial critique. they're actually quite good fun and have solved some of the old metas problems. it may have opened up some other issues but its ok and i like the meta now. lots of viable options. This is just a casual tourney to try playing without turrets to encourage a different style of dogfighting maybe? idk. i don't make the rules i just follow them : )

any more comments on the lists or what could good?

fickle; do you think the visor swarm could work? i have played it ALOT before tlt, and i find it very versatile and strong.

my load out for his highnes is: at, vi, stim, flechette (for fel), virago, fcs. maybe i could cut AT with no turrets around.

Vader/fel/palp is going to have a field day.

Arc dodgers ftw

Vader/fel/palp is going to have a field day.

yes they will tear through the field. but the xiswarm could do well in that matchup. give soontir the initiative, rush the ferry with 10-12 ish dice and hope 2 surviving z´s plus his higness can finish it. Wont be easy, though.

Vader/fel/palp is going to have a field day.

yes they will tear through the field. but the xiswarm could do well in that matchup. give soontir the initiative, rush the ferry with 10-12 ish dice and hope 2 surviving z´s plus his higness can finish it. Wont be easy, though.

Yep try to add at least one z with a feedback array. Then put him in the middle of the pack. Once you engage. Don't worry about arc and push him close to fel or other low health arc doggera.

sorry, can't fit it in. I'm still not sure the xi swarm is the best option for this. ****..

Does a Y-Wing with BTL title still count as a turret?

I dont know. Hopefully not. But im not flying warthogs Tomorrow : )

Dagonet that's so weird. The one list I didn't mention in the above that i still consider bringing:

Poe, vi, droid

Wedge, bb8, ptl

Gsp, at, crack shot, ptl, chardaan

Very similar to your suggestion. Could it work? Not the strongest dam out put, not the best arc dodgers but decent all round and very versatile.

Dagonet that's so weird. The one list I didn't mention in the above that i still consider bringing:

Poe, vi, droid

Wedge, bb8, ptl

Gsp, at, crack shot, ptl, chardaan

Very similar to your suggestion. Could it work? Not the strongest dam out put, not the best arc dodgers but decent all round and very versatile.

And it has a classic feel to it.

Kill the inevitable Palpatine first, the damage output should be consistent.

Xizor + 5x Z-95 it must be! The best list before tlt hit our tables!

Or if you expect a lot of arc dodgers 7x Z-95 with FBA rocks.

Vader/fel/palp is going to have a field day.

meh

if turrets were the only thing holding this back, then the game would be too ****** to be worth playing

an ace is an ace, and even one guaranteed die result is going to change how ****** they are when they lose their action step

Wes + vi + r3a2 and maybe engine

Is an albeit swishy but perfect Vader hunter. If your only expecting lords of the sith it's not a bad counter.

Wes + vi + r3a2 and maybe engine

Is an albeit swishy but perfect Vader hunter. If your only expecting lords of the sith it's not a bad counter.

Somebody's going to emergency, somebody's going to jail

Wedge, VI, BB-8

Wes, VI, R3-A2, EU

Luke, VI, R7-T1

Ever thought of bringing Defenders? The white k-turn allows you to consistently keep targets in arc while maintaining action economy.

...the only real things that open up are Warden Squadron pilot K-wings....

Can't. Wardens have turrets.

House tourneys can do whatever they like. I wouldn't be interested in that one unless it was close, free, and I didn't have anything else going on that day. :-)

imo, turrets aren't a strong counter to palpmobile 2 aces. Its just a strong list regardless.

Also with MOV fixed, i think this isn't really as needed. =/ I've now won quite a few casual games versus turrets that were much nicer since I got half MOV. (Simming tourney, just to test builds)

...the only real things that open up are Warden Squadron pilot K-wings....

Can't. Wardens have turrets.

House tourneys can do whatever they like. I wouldn't be interested in that one unless it was close, free, and I didn't have anything else going on that day. :-)

I mean, sure it technically does

the warden has a turret like humans have an appendix

it's basically just there for show, and if you trust to it do the work of something important...myeah

for that matter, does the restriction extend to BTL-a4 Ys? I mean technically they have to take turrets, and those don't even work out of arc!

You will see Phantoms doing very well under these conditions... and T70 with BB8 (Poe especially, of course)

I would probably bring my trusty 8 Tie Swarm :-) or my A Wing swarm (5 A and 2 Z)

Phantoms will do very well, I think B-Wing Aces could make a showing too

You could always call it the Tournament Lacking Turrets. Which would abreviate (ironically) to TLT.

But yeah, having no turret of any kind would likely bump arc dodging lists, brobots and phantoms to a pretty good place. Have a plan for dealing with those lists. Makes Z feedback swarm a pretty strong list too...

Kind of limiting to rebel lists as well, as they lack many shenanigans outside of fat boosting turrets.

You could always call it the Tournament Lacking Turrets. Which would abreviate (ironically) to TLT.

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Kind of limiting to rebel lists as well, as they lack many shenanigans outside of fat boosting turrets.