Help need for turney without turrets

By Scoundrel, in X-Wing

It was won by a swarm of 7 Hedhunters.(Blount, 2 Talas, 4 Bandits with hull upgrade)
Runner up was BossK and Bobba Fett.

A "turret-not-ment"?

Time for a little debriefing. i chose the xiswarm for this casual no-turret tourney and went 4-1. I lost quite a few ships during the day, though, and i ended up fourth out of 24.

5 binary pirates

Xizor, vi, fcs, stim, flechette, virago (flechette would be auto thrusters normally)

the build just feels so **** fragile. Having ps1 on those z95s is straight up sketchy and at the end of the day xizor is sort of a soft hammer in a build that really has no true anvil. but it has other things going for it. target choosing can be rough for your opponent, it plays a mean blocking game and 5zs is wel.. 5z´s. sometimes they can cause trouble. Also, i think its very hard to fly against. the xizor mechanic is powerful but super strange to get the most out of. You have to fly the prince aggressively and bait with him by making him a good target. at the same time he can't be too good of a target or he will die. He is the weirdest ace in the game, imho, and no other list flies like the Xiswarm. I find it challenging but i really like to fly it. Every game today, exept for one, was so **** close and i had to concentrate hard all the time.

game 1 vs turrr, standard soontir and standard whisper with mara

i managed to trap soontir with a semi-lucky block move and killed him in the first pass. that basically sealed the game but i still lost two z´s. his whisper had mara aboard and she was a very strong call vs my swarm. think she passed out like 10 stress tokens.

game 2 vs bbbbz

going in to the game I really feared this matchup and rightly so. The rebel swarm packs a lot of dice and they shoot before my z´s. initially I managed to split the rebel fire a bit and then i had some fortunate green dice in the first passes. i picked of a b, lost one z. then i really had to fight for the next b and the game was just brutal until the very last turn when time was called and a 1hp Xizor and 1.5 zs could finally kill the last b. insane and super intense game against a cool and skilled.

game 3 vs 3bandits, 3 talas and blount

Horrible game. i went in to confront the swarm at a reasonable vector and pace with plenty of tokens and thought i had control over the first pass after witch my ps 1s could get actions and force bumps, then shoot at the second token less line while xizor would party as he saw fit on his own. The plan worked at first, but for the first time today the green failed me horribly in the second part of that confrontation and the following two turns the red dice followed suit. i got tabled and just took some shields off a few z95s. My opponent flies swarm like a champ and even ended up winning the tourney. Also, the fact that the matchup is even worse than bbbbz makes me think i would have lost the game no matter how my dice had been. props to the champ for tabling me and being the only guy to kill his royal highness prince Xisor all day.

game 4 vs kath, mango, vi, tac and sensorjammer, lone echo and AP

Funny thing is i thought this would be a walk in the park. Kath is my target and eventually, i will get the ps 6 echo as well. in the prior two games i had flown the list atypically at first to try to control the first pass but here i just set up the big box of evil wit his highness in the mix to crush kath. thats the game plan but things go wrong and Kat smacks Xizor with two stress tokens first turn just to fly 4 straight past my ships on turn two clearing the one i left behind to prevent exactly that by two millimeters. so i get no shots, my guys look stupid and Kath fires out of her rear end while Echo begins bouncing around sniping. All my ships are out of position, my opponent seems confident and i am certain its a loss. Somehow i get back in the game and at some point i am able to box in echo while kath turns around for a pass. Echo dies after two turns of eager attempts where i sacrifice everything flying through debris to get shots and stuff like that. he downs three and a half z's before i kill his AP and in the last turn its still undicided who will win (actually it wasn't. i had forgotten the new rule on big ships so i had half Kaths points at that point but none of us thought about it before afterwards). Time is called and we play it out. everything can happen at that point and he manages to get damage in on Xi while i try to finish Kath. in the end i kill Kath with the combined efforts off Xi and two semi dead z's.

game 5 vs palp soontir and vader VI

i have played a lot vs palp lists recently and i have taking a good amount of beatings. With this swarm list i think i need to do everything i can to kill the ferry. so i go for it. i literally travel from one corner of the table to the other more or less at full speed with all my ships to manage that. as always its easier said that done and before the cow dies I'm down to the prince and two z. When palp survived my second attempt i actually asked my opponent if i shouldn't just forfeit and leave so i could get home in order to tug in my daughter. i was 100 percent sure it was a lost game. My opponent plays well and clearly had the upper hand. but nah, i decided to play it out and the following turns where just insanely fierce. back and forth all the time. when xisor killed Vader just after time was called and my last three ships had 1 hp each left i couldn't believe it. What a game.

Edited by Scoundrel

Mate, you do understand that a 8+ PS boost is the cancer that is killing the game, and "No engine upgrade" tourney is a better idea than "no turret" turney?

i agree. i don't find the tlts as bad as i used to. and i admit i was too quick on my initial critique. they're actually quite good fun and have solved some of the old metas problems. it may have opened up some other issues but its ok and i like the meta now. lots of viable options. This is just a casual tourney to try playing without turrets to encourage a different style of dogfighting maybe? idk. i don't make the rules i just follow them : )

I actually like tournaments like these with special rules & restrictions, at least once in a while. They encourage some players to think outside the box and not just 'oh that build won at a regionals (or other championship) so that's the one for me!'. I wish more players would just find what they like and what they want to fly and then come up with ideas on how to make it work, not just copy the top player and go with the current popular trend.

Mate, you do understand that a 8+ PS boost is the cancer that is killing the game, and "No engine upgrade" tourney is a better idea than "no turret" turney?

Thank you for your constructive input on how other people should make their tournaments.

Sounds like a lot of fun. I love the Xizor swarm.

How was the Flechette Torp? I found it indispensable vs. Bro Bots and Phantoms.

Dodge this!
Wedge Antilles (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
BB-8 (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Poe Dameron (31)
Veteran Instincts (1)
R5-P9 (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Green Squadron Pilot (19)
Push the Limit (3)
Chardaan Refit (-2)
Calculation (1)
Autothrusters (2)
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)
Total: 96

Wired! I think you gotta put in wired for calculation here. Or just drop the second EPT and make the A-wing Jake. Lose the initiative bid then though.

Mate, you do understand that a 8+ PS boost is the cancer that is killing the game, and "No engine upgrade" tourney is a better idea than "no turret" turney?

I dont Think that there is a cancer killing the game at all, mate. I just participated in a local tourney in which turrets werent allowed. Thats all. It was good fun to play with and against different stuff than what we play at every game night. The next tournament will be standard rules for sure.

Mate, you do understand that a 8+ PS boost is the cancer that is killing the game, and "No engine upgrade" tourney is a better idea than "no turret" turney?

Thank you for your constructive input on how other people should make their tournaments.

You wish to tell us, how great, interesting and completely non-broken

A ps8+ boosting ship (especially some Turret big ship) is?

Go ahead!

Mate, you do understand that a 8+ PS boost is the cancer that is killing the game, and "No engine upgrade" tourney is a better idea than "no turret" turney?

Thank you for your constructive input on how other people should make their tournaments.

You wish to tell us, how great, interesting and completely non-broken

A ps8+ boosting ship (especially some Turret big ship) is?

Go ahead!

There were two of those lists in OPs post from two days ago, and none of them won the tournament, a swarm did, your point is?

To put it differently,

Are you harping on PS8+ turrets with boost- at random, or is there actually anything constructive; related to the OP, to be gained from your input?

Mate, you do understand that a 8+ PS boost is the cancer that is killing the game, and "No engine upgrade" tourney is a better idea than "no turret" turney?

Thank you for your constructive input on how other people should make their tournaments.

You wish to tell us, how great, interesting and completely non-broken

A ps8+ boosting ship (especially some Turret big ship) is?

Go ahead!

Boba Fett - EU, VI.

Extremely fun to play and play against. I see you have quite a high opinion of yourself and an extremely aggressive stance towards others on here, especially given your limited time in our community. Not sure where all of your negativity is coming from. Fickle, Paragoomba, and myself are trying to be more positive influences on the forums given our mirthy posts/attitudes regarding turrets during waves 5 and 6; it'd be great if you could join us.

Boba w/ V.I + tactician + EU + stims is really fun

but really hard to play well

Mate, you do understand that a 8+ PS boost is the cancer that is killing the game, and "No engine upgrade" tourney is a better idea than "no turret" turney?

Thank you for your constructive input on how other people should make their tournaments.

You wish to tell us, how great, interesting and completely non-broken

A ps8+ boosting ship (especially some Turret big ship) is?

Go ahead!

There is no reason to, because that is not what this thread is about.

Fickle, it's refreshing to see you posting something not anti turret. Are you under duress? do I need to call the police? :)