Not everyone wanted to buy a new core set.

New player just getting into the game could have bought the old core set and then felt cheated when he found out the >>CORE SET<< he bought wasn't actually a starter set for the game.

It hurts sales of the old one. For a while now, new players have constantly been told in my area not to buy the old core set because the damage deck in it will no longer be tournament legal.

Players that have taken a break from the game and perhaps doubled up on the old core will hear about the new mandatory damage deck being in another core set they don't want and sigh and say, 'ugh'.

When someone brings a bunch of people to an event borrowing from their collection, and they have enough damage decks total but not enough of either one there is a definite, "Come on dude" situation.

Oh yeah, and primarily, it adds a little more depth to squad building, like how you get to pick 3 obstacles of your choosing.

Or you know add your thoughts to the existing threads instead of making another one.

What we really needed was another thread on this subject.

I stand with FFG on PWTs. Best thing to ever happen to the game. 1 bank. Pewpewpew. 1 bank, Pewpewpew.

New player just getting into the game could have bought the old core set and then felt cheated when he found out the >>CORE SET<< he bought wasn't actually a starter set for the game.

How in the world is it not a starter for the game? You're not going to enter a tournament with a single 37-point X-wing and a 63-point initiative bid. That's ludicrous! You're gonna have to buy more than that to play in a tournament anyway. But you can play the game with just the original core. The game isn't broken. It's not like an unsupported online-only game. It works well enough. Sure, there's a better deck out there, but then, there are better* options of ships out there as well. [*"Better" is subjective in this case.]

Somebody that just walks into a store and buys an old core is just interested in trying the game out. They're not going from casual gamer to hardcore tournament player overnight. They'll likely take their time as they build their collection. The problem I see isn't with the new deck being required for FFG's OP events. The problem is when other gamers see a new guy walk in and the bone-headedly make him or her feel bad for buying the "wrong" core because the deck is obsolete. It's not obsolete, guys. It works fine as a damage deck. The new deck is better for tournaments because it is more consistent, but in tournaments, consistency is the name of the game. That's why people build the lists they build for tournaments. Meanwhile, casual play often sees more off-the-wall ideas. It's already somewhat swingy, so the damage deck isn't as big of an issue. Instead of trying to get all new players tournament-ready on day 1, veteran X-Wing players should focus on the thrill of flying these ships around the board and teaching the basics of the game. They could even teach strategy. Granted, I'd probably let the new person know the deal with the new deck, but I would tell them not to worry about it until they feel like they want to compete.

Now here's the funniest part to me. Back during wave 1, people would ask what to buy and the inevitable answer was "buy two copies of the core." This rubbed a lot of people the wrong way because they didn't want to buy the same product twice. Now you can get two cores to start with, but you have even more variety! And you get the new deck. You also get 6 scenarios instead of 3 and 12 asteroids instead of 6. There is so much good stuff for a new person who buys one of each core!

When someone brings a bunch of people to an event borrowing from their collection, and they have enough damage decks total but not enough of either one there is a definite, "Come on dude" situation.

What kind of event are we talking about? The tournament rules only apply to FFG sanctioned Organized Play events. If your local game store is having a tournament, loosen up a little. Let both decks fly in those situations or share a deck. It's no big deal. You're making this a bigger thing than it is.

The real issue is that Store Championship, Regional, National, and World Championship tournaments should require the new deck to maintain the consistency I mentioned above. But if you're at a local event, fly casual, man. Grow the game instead of grinding new players' faces against top-tier play.

The real issue is that Store Championship, Regional, National, and World Championship tournaments should require the new deck to maintain the consistency I mentioned above. But if you're at a local event, fly casual, man. Grow the game instead of grinding new players' faces against top-tier play.

Yup, this is what I was saying all morning .

My prediction is in 2017 there will be a change over to the new damage deck.

So I'm thinking as of now premiere events (Regional, Nationals, Worlds) will require the new damage deck. But like worlds next year new damage decks will be given to all participants. This is sort of a two fold method of distributing new damage decks without having to require every X-wing player to pick up a TFA core set. Also in the mean time it allows for newer players that started the game with the TFA core set to play against older players that have yet to pick up the TFA core set.

But yeah don't worry. There will be a change over from the old to the new. It will just come later than what was first expected. After 2016 the TFA core set would be out for 16 months, and the number of premier participants would be in the thousands (counting each participant for every regionals, nationals ,and worlds). Many of those will end up on the secondary market because plenty will attend more than 1 premier event.

So how will both damage deck affect the competitive scene. Well the only scene would be the store tournaments. Still competitive players as I mentioned before would want to play with the new damage decks for consistency purposes. Especially when regionals start to approach. So there is still much momentum pushing all players from the old deck to the new one.

I stand against people that replicate exisiting threads!

Stupid ole inter-webs...

Take it back to linux!

Not bothered at all.

I was planning to delay buying the TFA core set for as long as possible since I am still catching up in wave 5. If they time comes that I need the new damage deck I will get one...

New player just getting into the game could have bought the old core set and then felt cheated when he found out the >>CORE SET<< he bought wasn't actually a starter set for the game.

How in the world is it not a starter for the game? You're not going to enter a tournament with a single 37-point X-wing and a 63-point initiative bid. That's ludicrous! You're gonna have to buy more than that to play in a tournament anyway. But you can play the game with just the original core. The game isn't broken. It's not like an unsupported online-only game. It works well enough. Sure, there's a better deck out there, but then, there are better* options of ships out there as well. [*"Better" is subjective in this case.]

Somebody that just walks into a store and buys an old core is just interested in trying the game out. They're not going from casual gamer to hardcore tournament player overnight. They'll likely take their time as they build their collection. The problem I see isn't with the new deck being required for FFG's OP events. The problem is when other gamers see a new guy walk in and the bone-headedly make him or her feel bad for buying the "wrong" core because the deck is obsolete. It's not obsolete, guys. It works fine as a damage deck. The new deck is better for tournaments because it is more consistent, but in tournaments, consistency is the name of the game. That's why people build the lists they build for tournaments. Meanwhile, casual play often sees more off-the-wall ideas. It's already somewhat swingy, so the damage deck isn't as big of an issue. Instead of trying to get all new players tournament-ready on day 1, veteran X-Wing players should focus on the thrill of flying these ships around the board and teaching the basics of the game. They could even teach strategy. Granted, I'd probably let the new person know the deal with the new deck, but I would tell them not to worry about it until they feel like they want to compete.

Now here's the funniest part to me. Back during wave 1, people would ask what to buy and the inevitable answer was "buy two copies of the core." This rubbed a lot of people the wrong way because they didn't want to buy the same product twice. Now you can get two cores to start with, but you have even more variety! And you get the new deck. You also get 6 scenarios instead of 3 and 12 asteroids instead of 6. There is so much good stuff for a new person who buys one of each core!

When someone brings a bunch of people to an event borrowing from their collection, and they have enough damage decks total but not enough of either one there is a definite, "Come on dude" situation.

What kind of event are we talking about? The tournament rules only apply to FFG sanctioned Organized Play events. If your local game store is having a tournament, loosen up a little. Let both decks fly in those situations or share a deck. It's no big deal. You're making this a bigger thing than it is.

The real issue is that Store Championship, Regional, National, and World Championship tournaments should require the new deck to maintain the consistency I mentioned above. But if you're at a local event, fly casual, man. Grow the game instead of grinding new players' faces against top-tier play.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. What's really ludicrous is if you firmly believe that every single person who buys a core set is just a "casual" player. Quite a few people see the game being played at venues or a friend introduces them to the game and after liking it, they go pick up their own "core set" and probably a few more ships to go along with it. But the main reason for purchasing said "core set" is to get the required components to play.

Now if they picked up the old set, maybe because they like Luke Skywalker more than Poe or possibly that was all they could find, why should they be prevented from playing in events? They bought the product, so they should be able to use them.

It's also pretty ludicrous to claim things aren't consistent this way. Newsflash: they are. If every player can choose to use either the old deck or the new deck, then that is 100% consistent. You might not like it, but that still doesn't make it inconsistent at all.

I wonder if they put the old damage deck in the latest round of OG core set reprints and now they have to wait until they reprint again to include the new deck in the OG core.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. What's really ludicrous is if you firmly believe that every single person who buys a core set is just a "casual" player. Quite a few people see the game being played at venues or a friend introduces them to the game and after liking it, they go pick up their own "core set" and probably a few more ships to go along with it. But the main reason for purchasing said "core set" is to get the required components to play.

Now if they picked up the old set, maybe because they like Luke Skywalker more than Poe or possibly that was all they could find, why should they be prevented from playing in events? They bought the product, so they should be able to use them.

It's also pretty ludicrous to claim things aren't consistent this way. Newsflash: they are. If every player can choose to use either the old deck or the new deck, then that is 100% consistent. You might not like it, but that still doesn't make it inconsistent at all.

Wait a second, that's a completely different kind of consistent and you know it. You're completely twisting my argument. I'm talking about removing as much randomness from a game as you can. I'm not talking about the company's consistency and how they choose to release product and determine what is legal. That's a completely separate issue. It's worth mentioning, but don't compare it to what I'm talking about because you're comparing apples to oranges.

I'm sorry you think my perceptions are ludicrous. In my experience, I've never seen anyone come into the shop and decide to buy the game with the sole intent of playing at Regionals or Nationals. No, everyone I have met got into the game for the theme and fun factor, not because they were looking for a new game to compete in. THAT seems ludicrous to me. But evidently there are such people out there and there are probably people in between. But in your sorld of tournament-hunters, surely they arr going to look online and find out what it takes to be competitive before purchasing. After all, nowhere does it say on the box (to my knowledge) that you need to buy expansions to play in tournaments because you can't build a 100-point list with the core. That doesn't seem to bother people, but is it not the same issue? Okay, you'd have to be new to gaming if you thought a starter had everything, so that's probably a bad example.

Let me bring up another point: LCGs have rotation. That means after about 5 years, older cards cease to be tournament legal. This keeps the metagame fresh and makes it easier to balance the game because the designers can ignore some of the card pool. I see this deck as a similar thing, except that it's only been 3 years instead of 5. But on the other hand, you haven't lost $90 of product. No, you can still fly Luke, Wedge, and Howlrunner, but you do need the new damage deck for competirions. And just like rotations, if you aren't playing in tournaments then you can ignore that rule and play the game with all your old stuff. Nobody will collect your old deck(s) and burn them because the tournament rules have changed.

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Sorry but I have to disagree with you. What's really ludicrous is if you firmly believe that every single person who buys a core set is just a "casual" player. Quite a few people see the game being played at venues or a friend introduces them to the game and after liking it, they go pick up their own "core set" and probably a few more ships to go along with it. But the main reason for purchasing said "core set" is to get the required components to play.

Now if they picked up the old set, maybe because they like Luke Skywalker more than Poe or possibly that was all they could find, why should they be prevented from playing in events? They bought the product, so they should be able to use them.

It's also pretty ludicrous to claim things aren't consistent this way. Newsflash: they are. If every player can choose to use either the old deck or the new deck, then that is 100% consistent. You might not like it, but that still doesn't make it inconsistent at all.

Wait a second, that's a completely different kind of consistent and you know it. You're completely twisting my argument. I'm talking about removing as much randomness from a game as you can. I'm not talking about the company's consistency and how they choose to release product and determine what is legal. That's a completely separate issue. It's worth mentioning, but don't compare it to what I'm talking about because you're comparing apples to oranges.

I'm sorry you think my perceptions are ludicrous. In my experience, I've never seen anyone come into the shop and decide to buy the game with the sole intent of playing at Regionals or Nationals. No, everyone I have met got into the game for the theme and fun factor, not because they were looking for a new game to compete in. THAT seems ludicrous to me. But evidently there are such people out there and there are probably people in between. But in your sorld of tournament-hunters, surely they arr going to look online and find out what it takes to be competitive before purchasing. After all, nowhere does it say on the box (to my knowledge) that you need to buy expansions to play in tournaments because you can't build a 100-point list with the core. That doesn't seem to bother people, but is it not the same issue? Okay, you'd have to be new to gaming if you thought a starter had everything, so that's probably a bad example.

Let me bring up another point: LCGs have rotation. That means after about 5 years, older cards cease to be tournament legal. This keeps the metagame fresh and makes it easier to balance the game because the designers can ignore some of the card pool. I see this deck as a similar thing, except that it's only been 3 years instead of 5. But on the other hand, you haven't lost $90 of product. No, you can still fly Luke, Wedge, and Howlrunner, but you do need the new damage deck for competirions. And just like rotations, if you aren't playing in tournaments then you can ignore that rule and play the game with all your old stuff. Nobody will collect your old deck(s) and burn them because the tournament rules have changed.

You are the one comparing apples to oranges. This is not even close to LCG rotation.

Both cores and decks are a) official product and b) still sold in stores. It isn't going to kill people to allow both decks in tournament play, and since every single player has that same option of using either deck it is by no means inconsistent. It is, however, frustrating for someone who is forced to buy something again when they thought they bought the right thing in the first place. And this is coming from someone who owns both cores.

I'm pretty sure that the Netrunner core set isn't going to be rotated out.

If the new deck was to be mandatory, the old core set would no longer function as a core set.

Often times in my area, the easiest way to get a game of X-Wing in is to go to a $5 Thursday/Friday 3 round 7pm tournament. All the venues around here follow FFG tournament rules. This would have a large effect on people who are casually into the game and have an old core set, so you'd be screwing casual players by mandating the new core set damage deck.

I'm pretty sure that the Netrunner core set isn't going to be rotated out.

If the new deck was to be mandatory, the old core set would no longer function as a core set.

Often times in my area, the easiest way to get a game of X-Wing in is to go to a $5 Thursday/Friday 3 round 7pm tournament. All the venues around here follow FFG tournament rules. This would have a large effect on people who are casually into the game and have an old core set, so you'd be screwing casual players by mandating the new core set damage deck.

It's not like a premier event. For premier events, however, there should be a level of consistency with something so important as the damage deck. I'm hoping for store champs, regionals, Nationals, etc. next year they require the new deck. A great idea would be to hand them out at all premier events next year like they are at Worlds.

The TO's in my area follow tournament guidelines to the letter.

I agree with the original poster both decks should be legal but your opponent should provide your damage deck in order to be fair and more tactical.